I posted this in the Baylor victory dogpile thread but I think it needs it's own thread.....

tu created 'Texas Fight' which mentions A&M, regardless of how much, BECAUSE of Farmer's Fight, and to counteract it.
http://lhb.music.utexas.edu/history/songs.php

tu created the 'Hook'em' sign, BECAUSE the Aggies had the famous 'Gig'em' hand sign, and they even presented it for the TCU game just like A&M did.
http://utopia.utexas.edu/articles/alcalde/hooked.html

tu created the Hex Rally FOR A&M and it continued every year and became tu's pregame tradition opposite the Aggie Bonfire.
http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2004/football.html

I know there are 2 theories on the naming of Bevo. IF the 13-0 WAS NOT altered to read Bevo like many believe then the tu website needs to be updated with the 'correct' facts
http://www.utexas.edu/tours/nowthen/20/17.html (might have to copy and paste)

as well as this site, which is apparently misinformed...

http://www.collegefootballhistory.com/texas/history.htm

As far as the lighting of the tower, I find this VERY interesting.
The tower is lit with an orange top and white shaft for 'athletic achievement' like
-regular season wins OTHER THAN A&M.
-non BCS victories

This is because tu lights the entire tower orange for 'significant athletic achievements' which are:
-Texas A&M
-Big 12 South
-Big 12 Championship game
-Big 12 Regular season championship
-Big 12 tournament championships
-national championships

see for yourself, it has a list of how they light the tower with pics of the tower lit as suggested in each description
http://www.utexas.edu/opa/pubs/oncampus/02oc_issues/oc020129/oc_tower.html

Throw into the mix the 'Poor Aggies' and 'We only need 11 men' tshirts and the use of 'ag gy' instead of Aggie and that they stole A&M's mascot.

But A&M is nothing to tu, remember that everyone.

For their REAL rival OU, they have the torchlight parade and .......um......uh.......



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Regardless of your wonderful research (thanks for spending all that time on it), it comes down to football and what the games mean. Over the history of the series, the UT/OU game has had national implications and UT/A&M has not.

Wood

damn....somebody did their research
pretty good information, those sips have been exposed


Gig 'em!!!!!

BTHOtu!!!!

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Regardless of your wonderful research (thanks for spending all that time on it), it comes down to football and what the games mean.

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And apparently the A&M game means something if you light up the tower completely orange only for A&M and titles. EVERY matchup against A&M means something in each sport, cuz it's always the Lonestar Showdown and as of 3 years ago trophies are handed out.

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Over the history of the series, the UT/OU game has had national implications and UT/A&M has not.

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First of all pick any 2 good teams, stick them in a neutral stadium and give it a cute name, you are going to get attention. You won't find many rivalry rankings that don't have A&M/tu in the top 10 with OU/tu. I love when sips try to downplay the A&M game. Do you need to reread my original post?



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Torchlight parade is now practiced before the OU game, but was first done for their biggest rival A&M. The Hex Rally has since replaced it and the torchlight parade has been relegated secondary status along with their rivalry with OU.

You can look up all the info you want, but if you go to Hornfans and ask there who the #1 rival is, the resounding answer will be Oklahoma. It just is that way right now.

going to hornfans.com for wisdom and insight is like going to the football forum on texags "real" football knowledge....



Those who can, do; those who can't, coach; those who never could, complain about the first two.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

You're not gonna get a wrong answer when you ask for an opinion.

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You can look up all the info you want, but if you go to Hornfans and ask there who the #1 rival is, the resounding answer will be Oklahoma. It just is that way right now.

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That's pretty damn funny. The thing is (and has always been) that the sips can live with the Okies being better than them, but if A&M bests them, they go into the fetal position. Thus, the fact that posters on hornfans won't admit A&M is a rival actually makes it look MORE like A&M really is your rival.

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if A&M bests them, they go into the fetal position

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Isnt that the same thing when Baylor beats you?

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You can look up all the info you want, but if you go to Hornfans and ask there who the #1 rival is, the resounding answer will be Oklahoma. It just is that way right now.

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I think I like the FACTS I found on the UT website more than I would like anything spewed from the whorns on that fan site you speak of. But speaking of hornfans.com there are usually a lot more Aggie threads over there than OU threads.

On another note, if given the opportunity to SAY A&M means less to them, of course they would take that opportunity. However, ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS and the Hex Rally, Texas Fight, wearing/making of tshirts and tower lighting is what the horn fans currently DO. So you can see how they might sound dumb saying otherwise.

Besides, even though I mentioned the torchlight parade at the bottom of my original post the info I provided was mainly the effort tu has,and do currently, put into A&M. Which in FACT, is more than OU.

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Isnt that the same thing when Baylor beats you?

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Not when Baylor was actually good in the 80s. Hell, A&M/Baylor WAS a big rivalry in the 70s and 80s. Now Baylor beating us in football (which they did of course) would be like UC-Irvine beating us in our home city. It would cause much hand wringing and pissing and moaning.

GQ, good stuff, except they're all decades old. I'm just talking about the present.

We're not all lying just to deny y'all the satisfaction of being our #1 rival.

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Now Baylor beating us in football (which they did of course) would be like UC-Irvine beating us in our home city. It would cause much hand wringing and pissing and moaning

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Yeap, same thing happened when y'all won on T+1.

By the way, Toy, I really secretly heartily enjoy the fact that you guys have to use something Baylor did in 2005 to us in order to claim some sort of second hand scoreboard on us.

Na, I'm just using it as an analogy, although losing to A&M isnt quite as bad.

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Yeap, same thing happened when y'all won on T+1.

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Except that wasn't the first time we'd won in 20 years against you guys.........and that wasn't the only sport we had scoreboard on you either.........

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GQ, good stuff, except they're all decades old. I'm just talking about the present.

We're not all lying just to deny y'all the satisfaction of being our #1 rival.

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Some of that stuff started a long time ago, yes. But horns still participate in it do they not? So why not get rid of it if A&M doesn't mean anything? Why not stop wearing tshirts?

Why continue to put more effort in the lesser rival? Cuz when you say one thing but do another well, you know how bad that looks. Which is also why you horns catch so much sh*t from us.

The current tower lighting preferences are not that old either and are at the current president's discretion but apparently even he likes them as is.

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Except that wasn't the first time we'd won in 20 years against you guys.........

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Well, it was the first time you won in 7 years. As I said, losing to A&M isnt quite as bad as losing to Baylor.

Questions:

1) How many t sips post on the Sooner boards?
2) How many t sips post on Texags?

I've never attended a Hex Rally, nor a Torchlight parade - they're glorified pep rallies, just like the yell practices.

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Questions:

1) How many t sips post on the Sooner boards?
2) How many t sips post on Texags?

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That just means that Texags is a better board that soonerfans (although I do have an account there).
I think I post here more than HF these days.

Texags.com DOES rock.

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As I said, losing to A&M isnt quite as bad as losing to Baylor.

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Hahaha...nice punchline - but no substance.

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tu created 'Texas Fight' which mentions A&M, regardless of how much, BECAUSE of the Aggie War Hymn.
http://lhb.music.utexas.edu/history/songs_index.html

tu created the 'Hook'em' sign, which I also call the sign of the devil, BECAUSE the Aggies had the famous 'Gig'em' hand sign.
http://utopia.utexas.edu/articles/alcalde/hooked.html

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2 things we took and did better(kind of like how your doors opened first but we always rank better as a University). I don’t recall hearing “Farmers Fight” to taps, but “Texas Fight” has endured. And the Hook ‘Em hand sign is one of, if not the, most recognizable in college sports where Gig ‘Em reminds people of the 80’s and politicians.

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tu created the Hex Rally to COUNTER the Aggie Bonfire.
http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2004/football.html

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Try actually READING the article. We started it to counter a losing streak, not the bonfire.

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I know there are 2 theories on the naming of Bevo. IF the 13-0 WAS NOT altered to read Bevo like many believe then the tu website needs to be updated with the 'correct' facts
http://www.utexas.edu/tours/nowthen/20/17.html

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Again check the link(hint it doesn’t work). The info was outdated legend. There are competing theories for where the name came from but it was definitively not the branding. The name “Bevo” appears in the 1st edition of The Alcalde after his debut, that was a full year before the branding took place. Plus we presented you with the “13-0” hide when we grilled him. It used to be displayed on your campus. I can only assume it came down to further the myth.

Try the following links that work
http://www.utexas.edu/friends/fun.php
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/proudtrads/bevo.html
http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=122
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevo_(mascot)

All that said I have never said A&M isn’t a rival. I don’t even say OU is bigger. They are just different. I’ve posted this before, but I guess this would be a good place to repost it:

A&M is my brother. Day in day out you are my rival. I want to kick your butt in everything from football to foosball, dominoes to Playstation. I always want to beat you, I will rub your nose in it. I taunt and tease and expect the same in return. I have lots of Ag friends who I love going back and forth with. But at the end of the day its also the guy I want to have beer with. And if push came to shove I've got your back. Part of that is that your from Texas so you can't be all bad.

OU is the ^&*&*)^ across the street with the rusted out IROC on cynder blocks, that blows black smoke while he works on it, with is gut coming out from under his wife beater while White Snake blares on his stereo. His dog craps in my lawn. I hate him. I would team up with the brother I love to beat, to kick this neighbor's(and his whole toothless family's) butt any day of the week.

So the question can't simply be who is UT's biggest rival. You have to be more specific.

Day in day out in regular life it is A&M.

Event by event(say RRSO vs. T+1) its OU. Part of this is because UT/OU has historically meant more(nationally). Plus the setup(neutral site, State Fair, split stadium) surrounding the game is bigger(especially since T-Day became T+1). But most importantly its a border war vs. a backyard brawl. Oklahoma as a place sucks. And it is the duty of every Texas institution to pound thier flagship back to that sespool. This part also carries into the other sports and makes those games bigger events as well.

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Questions:

1) How many t sips post on the Sooner boards?
2) How many t sips post on Texags?

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Come on, that’s not a fair comparison. There are only about half a dozen Okies that can operate a computer without smashing it with a wrench…and most of them post on here. You guys are goofy, but you are(for the most part) Texans.

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but we always rank better as a University

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Um, no.

Really? Show me where A&M's overall ranking is better than UT's.

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2 things we took and did better(kind of like how your doors opened first but we always rank better as a University).

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I won't deny that 'Hook'em' is well known, but that was never my point to begin with.
The Aggie War Hymn is much more popular than Texas Fight, no debate. tu is more known for a different song though I can't remember the name of it. 'The eyes of Texas' I think, you know, the one that sounds like hell Maybe THAT one is well known, but not the one created b/c of the Aggie War Hymn.

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Try actually READING the article. We started it to counter a losing streak, not the bonfire

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The Aggie Bonfire was for the tu game was it not? Well this is from the article.....

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Not to be outdone, the Longhorns have their own traditions reserved for Aggie football games. The annual Hex Rally, which began in 1941 when a group of University of Texas students asked a palm reader to place a curse on the Aggies and end a University of Texas losing streak,

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So it was created BY going to a palm reader to place a curse. However it IS tu's pregame activity like A&M's Bonfire, but it came after A&M's tradition, like the others.

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The name “Bevo” appears in the 1st edition of The Alcalde after his debut, that was a full year before the branding took place. Plus we presented you with the “13-0” hide when we grilled him.

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yeah I already know this. I even said I knew there were two theories floating around. I'm fine with either, but just thought I should point out links that agree with the 13-0 conversion to read Bevo, one of which is on the utexas.edu website.

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So the question can't simply be who is UT's biggest rival. You have to be more specific.

Day in day out in regular life it is A&M.

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I agree. To me OU/tu is about the football game only. A&M/tu is all sports, academic and as you said 'day to day', which is a bigger deal IMO and I hoped that my info listed above shows a little bit of that extra effort tu has put into A&M, but not OU.



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Again check the link(hint it doesn’t work).

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thanks for the heads up, the first 13-0 article should be fixed

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To me OU/tu is about the football game only.

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I agree, but since football is king in Texas, the rivalry is bigger.

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The Aggie War Hymn is much more popular than Texas Fight, no debate.

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You, sir, are truly misinformed.

texas bite is catchy. that's about all it has going for it. it's just another run of the mill school song.

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You, sir, are truly misinformed.

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'The Eyes of Texas' is much more well known for tu.

So are you gonna provide proof that both 'Texas Fight' and 'The eyes of Texas' are both more well known than the stadium swaying 'Aggie War Hymn'?

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The Aggie War Hymn is much more popular than Texas Fight, no debate. tu is more known for a different song though I can't remember the name of it. The one that sounds like hell

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Apples and oranges. War Hymn is your school song, I would argue The Eyes is easily as well known(it was for a long time the unofficial state song taught to school kids and sung even by aggies at times). Texas Fight was an improvement in Farmers Fight, and has outlasted it.

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So it was created BY going to a palm reader to place a curse. However it IS tu's pregame activity like A&M's Bonfire, but it came after A&M's tradition, like the others.

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Your reading to much into that first line. In the context of the article she has just named a bunch of stuff y’all do. It wasn’t so we could have something like bonfire. In fact we used to have a bonfire for the game(I honestly couldn’t say who had it first). Bonfires for big games used to be pretty common for lots of colleges and HS(still is for many). We just never took it to the level A&M did. I’m not sure but we might have still been doing it when we started the hex rally. The hex rallywas something goofy a group of students did to break the “curse” of a losing streak(I think like 5 games). We won so we kept it.

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yeah I already know this. I even said I knew there were two theories floating around. I'm fine with either, but just thought I should point out links that agree with the 13-0 conversion to read Bevo, one of which is on the utexas.edu website.

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First those links are more than 10 years old and just never got scrubbed during site updates. The more recent pages are accurate, about 5 years ago someone did the research and proved the legend false. There are 2 theories, but neither are the branding. One is that he was named for a popular prohibition era near beer(not likely since it wasn’t very big down here yet). More likely is this one:

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Through the 1900s and 1910s, newspapers ran a series of comic strips drawn by Gus Mager. The strips usually featured monkeys as the main characters, all named for their personality traits. Braggo the Monk constantly made empty boasts, Sherlocko the Monk was a bumbling detective, and so on. The comic strips were popular enough to create a nationwide fad for persons to nickname their friends the same way, with an "o" added to the end. The Marx Brothers were so named by their collegues in Vaudville: Groucho was moody, Harpo played the harp, and Chico raised chicks when he was a boy. Mager's strips ran every Sunday in newspapers throughout Texas, including Austin.
In addition, the term "beeve" is the plural of beef, but is more commonly used as a slang term for a cow (or steer) that's destined to become food. The term is still used, though it was more common among the general public in the 1910s when Texas was more rural. The jump from "beeve" to "Bevo" isn't far, and makes more sense given the trends of the time.

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I agree. To me OU/tu is about the football game only. A&M/tu is all sports, academic and as you said 'day to day', which is a bigger deal IMO and I hoped that my info listed above shows a little bit of that extra effort tu has put into A&M, but not OU.

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Except that I can promise you it is more than just football. That is definitely the height of the hatred, but it carries over into every other competition. We hate them. We don’t really hate aggies. For the most part you are our neighbors, co-workers, friends. We go to the same church, drink together and are proud to be from Texas. There is a huge difference.