Like Watergate, Monica Lewinsky, etc., - the cover-up is worse than the crime/accusation.

how long until he is convicted?

He is already convicted. Effectively, that is.

Will he be actually convicted in a court of law remains to be seen. The Feds bungled the first trial and his defense attorney has been able to get some fairly critical things favorable to the prosecution thrown out in the second trial.

This will probably end up like OJ. Not guilty in the criminal trial, guilty in the civil (or public opinion) trial.

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WASHINGTON (AP) A man testified Monday that he saw Roger Clemens at a 1998 Jose Canseco pool party that the former pitcher has denied attending, which is one of the false statements prosecutors allege Clemens made in his 2008 congressional deposition.

Prosecutors showed jurors a photo of the then 11-year-old Alexander Lowrey on the deck of the pool, next to a smiling Clemens who is standing in the shallow end of the water. The former pitcher's hair is bleach-blonde, which is how Lowrey said he recalled it.

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Anyone know why Roger wasn't elected to the HoF? Must be first ballot bias right?

another year, and another year watching others go into the Hall. 1 helluva longhorn!

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73 innings on the road

Three earned runs allowed.


One helluva great Longhorn.




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Yet JFF is the antichrist

Eric with the annual Falcon punch to the whorn collective.

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So you don't think he did steroids? I guarantee he has, but put on your blinders if you wish.

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Ignorance rears its ugly head again. I'm glad you feel qualified to sit behind your veil of anonymity and defame a great player and a great man. I'm really sorry you don't like the guy, but you couldn't possibly be more wrong. First, Clemens has been known as the hardest working player in all of Baseball. When he first got to the astros, Roy and Miller couldn't get over his work ethic and how much preparation he did in the offseason. His name has never even been mentioned with regards to steroids, and this is a time when almost every player is being suspected. So sit back and continue to heap condemnation upon him if it makes you feel better... only the truth matters anyway.

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Wow. So many sips worshipped clemens. Then the truth finally came out. Hilarious to go back thru this thread and read what the sip posters said.

Holy f-ck! This place used to be crawling with sips

HOF for roger...it gone.

A few more years and he goes to the veterans committee and he won't get in there.

Perjurer, pervert, adulterer, and PFD user.

Frankly it is surprising that the sips haven't given him a campus statue and held a dildo parade for him.

it's just a matter of time until sippie puts up a statue

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Perjurer, pervert, adulterer, and PFD user.

Frankly it is surprising that the sips haven't given him a campus statue and held a dildo parade for him.

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Personal Flotation Device?

One of the biggest Richard heads I've been around!!

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Bump for the Hall of Fame vote

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Didn't Ortiz want to be a porn star after baseball?

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Clemens was/is a Grade A POS, horn or not. The voters did the right thing.

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I agree with you about Clemens and wish there was an integrity standard to get into (and to remain in) the HOF. OJ hacked a woman's head off and is still in the HOF.



Same goes for Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Rosie Ruiz, Pete Rose, etc. Get all of the cheaters out of our memories.

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Clemens was/is a Grade A POS, horn or not. The voters did the right thing.

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I agree with you about Clemens and wish there was an integrity standard to get into (and to remain in) the HOF. OJ hacked a woman's head off and is still in the HOF.



Same goes for Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Rosie Ruiz, Pete Rose, etc. Get all of the cheaters out of our memories.

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To play devils advocate-- did Clemens ever test positive for anything? Was he not tried by the Feds and found not guilty?

We live in a country where people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Accusations shouldn't be enough to convict someone. The #MeToo movement was wrong in many ways-- and so is this.

How can anyone expect Roger Clemens to be inducted into the Hall of Fame when he couldn't even make varsity when he attended Dulles High School.

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Clemens was/is a Grade A POS, horn or not. The voters did the right thing.

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I agree with you about Clemens and wish there was an integrity standard to get into (and to remain in) the HOF. OJ hacked a woman's head off and is still in the HOF.



Same goes for Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Rosie Ruiz, Pete Rose, etc. Get all of the cheaters out of our memories.

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To play devils advocate-- did Clemens ever test positive for anything? Was he not tried by the Feds and found not guilty?

We live in a country where people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Accusations shouldn't be enough to convict someone. The #MeToo movement was wrong in many ways-- and so is this.

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Do you see a difference between legal actions and the actions of the HOF? It's not like the HOF is locking him up without proof - they're just saying we don't want you in here.

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Clemens was/is a Grade A POS, horn or not. The voters did the right thing.

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I agree with you about Clemens and wish there was an integrity standard to get into (and to remain in) the HOF. OJ hacked a woman's head off and is still in the HOF.



Same goes for Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Rosie Ruiz, Pete Rose, etc. Get all of the cheaters out of our memories.

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To play devils advocate-- did Clemens ever test positive for anything? Was he not tried by the Feds and found not guilty?

We live in a country where people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Accusations shouldn't be enough to convict someone. The #MeToo movement was wrong in many ways-- and so is this.

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Do you see a difference between legal actions and the actions of the HOF? It's not like the HOF is locking him up without proof - they're just saying we don't want you in here.

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Ya.... I see your point. Though he was tried in criminal court. They tried to lock him up. We've got judges in Houston letting murderers out on bond but we were trying to lock up a guy for allegedly using PEDs to throw a baseball hard........

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Maybe Lina Hidalgo will put him in the Harris County Hall of Fame

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Maybe Lina Hidalgo will put him in the Harris County Hall of Fame

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Yeah, no problems with baseball cheaters in Harris County

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Too bad Dallas County doesn't have a baseball team.

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Maybe Lina Hidalgo will put him in the Harris County Hall of Fame

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Yeah, no problems with baseball cheaters in Harris County

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Too bad Dallas County doesn't have a baseball team.

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Tarrant County doesn't have one right now either.

The problem is that these sportwriters can't keep things consistent. I want to know how didn't vote for Pedro, Griffey, Randy Johson etc....

On topic, steroids and HGH were a period in baseball's history. I remember ESPN cutting out of their regular programming to watch Sosa and McGwire's at bats. MLB is no better with how they juice or de-juice, for lack of a better word, the baseballs. If you want to put an asterisk, that's fine, just don't dismiss it like it didn't happen.