Remember Wallace Hall & the tu admission scandal? He's baaaaaaack.....

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schwack schwack
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https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/show-trials-for-admissions-cheaters-mask-real-crime-11770524?fbclid=IwAR0KJivllfL2RZaAXs4NJ2dcdKR1diY86YAYtkouo0LXAQ1Dt5QWWqxmc6I

Here's his letter in full: https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2019/10/02/university_admissions_scandals_go_deeper_than_you_think_110363.html


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"I witnessed this while serving as a member of the University of Texas System Board of Regents. My actions to expose the admissions scandal at UT-Austin, our flagship campus, resulted in impeachment hearings against me by the state legislature and even efforts to convince a grand jury to indict me. While neither worked, the university continues to hide all of the documents that would have exposed the scandal. Even the FBI knows only a fraction of the real corruption."

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"Details of the larger problem at the Austin campus were uncovered in a private investigation commissioned by our then-Chancellor and a minority of Board members. The problem is, our university president teamed up with a new Chancellor and the state's most powerful elected officials to keep the findings sealed. The un-redacted report, which explains how hundreds of unqualified students manage to occupy spots in UT programsincluding our law schoolis locked in a courtroom after my lawsuit to make it public was challenged by the university."
Please look into this, Mr. Duke.
Macarthur
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This is really timely for me and my family as our middle son in a senior and we're going through the applications and approval process...

Long story short, he's a very strong student. Was an auto admit at A&M and has been accepted. However, his first choice is UT. We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $ (He's Nation Merit so will get $ at all other state schools).

Regardless of your feelings about UT and the system, it is a real shame that so many kids that were born and raIsed in Texas and are strong students will have a big up hill battle being able to attend said State university.

Flashdiaz
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Macarthur said:

This is really timely for me and my family as our middle son in a senior and we're going through the applications and approval process...

Long story short, he's a very strong student. Was an auto admit at A&M and has been accepted. However, his first choice is UT. We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $ (He's Nation Merit so will get $ at all other state schools).

Regardless of your feelings about UT and the system, it is a real shame that so many kids that were born and raIsed in Texas and are strong students will have a big up hill battle being able to attend said State university.


to quote Garth Brooks, some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers.
Macarthur
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I hear ya !
David_Puddy
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Too bad this wasn't going on 20+ years ago or Buscemi could have gotten in! Then he wouldn't look like an absolute d00sh on every thread because at least he might have held a degree from the school he's e-defending on here daily.
McInnis80
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UT has new Honor Texas initiative, so we should not worry about funny business like the Facilities Manager at the Law School (Bill Powers old playground) making off with $1,400,000 and the tennis coach being involved with a unqualified athlete.

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schwack schwack said:

https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/show-trials-for-admissions-cheaters-mask-real-crime-11770524?fbclid=IwAR0KJivllfL2RZaAXs4NJ2dcdKR1diY86YAYtkouo0LXAQ1Dt5QWWqxmc6I

Here's his letter in full: https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2019/10/02/university_admissions_scandals_go_deeper_than_you_think_110363.html


Quote:

"I witnessed this while serving as a member of the University of Texas System Board of Regents. My actions to expose the admissions scandal at UT-Austin, our flagship campus, resulted in impeachment hearings against me by the state legislature and even efforts to convince a grand jury to indict me. While neither worked, the university continues to hide all of the documents that would have exposed the scandal. Even the FBI knows only a fraction of the real corruption."

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"Details of the larger problem at the Austin campus were uncovered in a private investigation commissioned by our then-Chancellor and a minority of Board members. The problem is, our university president teamed up with a new Chancellor and the state's most powerful elected officials to keep the findings sealed. The un-redacted report, which explains how hundreds of unqualified students manage to occupy spots in UT programsincluding our law schoolis locked in a courtroom after my lawsuit to make it public was challenged by the university."
Please look into this, Mr. Duke.
I'm sure Randy will find a way to steer the blame to A&M. He'll likely start with Rick Perry.
levypantsEOY
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Macarthur said:

This is really timely for me and my family as our middle son in a senior and we're going through the applications and approval process...

Long story short, he's a very strong student. Was an auto admit at A&M and has been accepted. However, his first choice is UT. We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $ (He's Nation Merit so will get $ at all other state schools).

Regardless of your feelings about UT and the system, it is a real shame that so many kids that were born and raIsed in Texas and are strong students will have a big up hill battle being able to attend said State university.




The fact that A&M is now easier to get into over tu than ever before speaks volumes about the diploma mill philosophy that our intrepid leader Sharp is attempting to institutionalize. His quest for 80k students is so counterproductive.
Great students like your son don't want to enroll where over 70% of applicants are accepted. What was the point of all that hard work?
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Macarthur said:

We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $


Why would he not get money for UT?
Macarthur
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33 said:

Macarthur said:

We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $


Why would he not get money for UT?

Well, I don't know that for sure, but everything I'm reading online says UT gives out very little merit $.

We make too much money for need based so any $ he gets will be only merit.
technoviking
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levypantsEOY said:

Macarthur said:

This is really timely for me and my family as our middle son in a senior and we're going through the applications and approval process...

Long story short, he's a very strong student. Was an auto admit at A&M and has been accepted. However, his first choice is UT. We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $ (He's Nation Merit so will get $ at all other state schools).

Regardless of your feelings about UT and the system, it is a real shame that so many kids that were born and raIsed in Texas and are strong students will have a big up hill battle being able to attend said State university.




The fact that A&M is now easier to get into over tu than ever before speaks volumes about the diploma mill philosophy that our intrepid leader Sharp is attempting to institutionalize. His quest for 80k students is so counterproductive.
Great students like your son don't want to enroll where over 70% of applicants are accepted. What was the point of all that hard work?


The point is to get a great education at a great university you ****ing chode.
Potcake
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No one



believes you're an Aggie.
levypantsEOY
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You mean the education that has dropped in rankings on pretty much every college analysis service? That one?

Maybe you're a big believer in the "bigger is better" attitude on display in CS, but I am not.
technoviking
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levypantsEOY said:

You mean the education that has dropped in rankings on pretty much every college analysis service? That one?

Maybe you're a big believer in the "bigger is better" attitude on display in CS, but I am not.


I'm a big believer in the "levypantsEOY is a troll, not an Aggie" attitude on texags.
DD88
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Macarthur said:

This is really timely for me and my family as our middle son in a senior and we're going through the applications and approval process...

Long story short, he's a very strong student. Was an auto admit at A&M and has been accepted. However, his first choice is UT. We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $ (He's Nation Merit so will get $ at all other state schools).

Regardless of your feelings about UT and the system, it is a real shame that so many kids that were born and raIsed in Texas and are strong students will have a big up hill battle being able to attend said State university.


A&M's National Merit scholarship package will pretty much cover tuition and fees for 4 years. You can try to get more by playing the UTD(full-ride) package against it. He could also apply for local Aggie Mom scholarships as well and pick up some while at school if he keeps his grades up.
https://scholarships.tamu.edu/Scholarship-Programs/National-Scholars#0-NationalMeritScholars

If your son is in the top 6%, he's an auto-admit to tu anyway, but they tend to be stingy with scholarships. The difference in majors between the universities would have to be significant enough to justify the $30-50K cost difference.


SteveBott
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Of the 70% applications were accepted 60% were top ten students. Another 20% or so got auto accepted by academic achievement. They needed 1250 SAT and top 25% of their class. There was no choice to accept those students.

Compared to total population growth of Texas we accept roughly the same percentage of that population. The state gets bigger but we are not expanding flagship universities.

You get into A&M by putting in the work in HS. They have to earn it. The school is not expanding due to Sharp but population growth.
Caesar4
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levypantsEOY said:

You mean the education that has dropped in rankings on pretty much every college analysis service? That one?

Maybe you're a big believer in the "bigger is better" attitude on display in CS, but I am not.
College ranking services are pretty much a waste of time and mostly, IMO, they're just a revenue generating vehicle for the service provider from the great unwashed sheeple who put too much faith into the rankings.

Much more use can be gleaned from culture/fit (from on-campus visits) and post degree job offers, career advancement, income, etc.
Macarthur
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He is outside the top 6%.

I feel pretty confident with his scores and NM, he will get accepted to UT, but your comment is correct. He's gonna get $ from A&M so the cost diff won't justify paying full price at UT.

He's already been accepted to A&M Engineering. Got the notification today.

DD88
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At least the House leadership that tried to indict Hall is mostly gone, but the burnt-orange stench continues because they refuse to clean up the mess.

Here's an article with more info on his findings:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/is-this-the-most-dangerous-man-in-texas/
technoviking
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levypantsEOY said:

Classic technoviking- when the facts don't add up, let the troll accusations fly...
does this strategy work at your job? Does your boss take issue with being called a troll when he takes you to task for doing some incorrectly?

Side note- this strategy does seem to work for some (see: POTUS)


My boss isn't an idiot like you. You should be ashamed of yourself, troll.
DD88
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Here is the article that I was looking for that brings out the tu admissions political connections favoritism:

https://townhall.com/watchdog/texas/2015/02/18/kroll-hundreds-ut-n7200

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Here's what the numbers show. There were 2,085 applicants from 2009 to 2014 who received a "hold." Of these, 1,719 were Texas residents, and 1,191 of them were singled out by Powers' office (the rest of the Texans got their "hold" from one dean or another).

Of those 1,191, 842 were admitted at the school's discretion, 298 were rejected, and 51 automatically qualified under the top 10 percent law, which fills 75 percent of each freshman class at UT based on high school class rank. That law makes competition for the remaining 25 percent of the seats highly
competitive.

According to a study last year, Texas residents who weren't entitled to automatic admission got into UT at the highly exclusive rate of just 15.8 percent.

Compare that to the 1,140 Texas residents who didn't qualify for automatic admission but received Powers' blessing: 842, or 74 percent, of them were admitted, despite the fact about 72 of them had above-average scores.

95_Aggie
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College ranking services are pretty much a waste of time and mostly, IMO, they're just a revenue generating vehicle for the service provider from the great unwashed sheeple who put too much faith into the rankings.
Unless we're above everyone else and then they are the greatest thing ever.
CHOCOLATE CHIP TRIP
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Macarthur said:

He is outside the top 6%.

I feel pretty confident with his scores and NM, he will get accepted to UT, but your comment is correct. He's gonna get $ from A&M so the cost diff won't justify paying full price at UT.

He's already been accepted to A&M Engineering. Got the notification today.




Don't send your kid to that ****hole in Austin.
Callate Donnie
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schwack schwack said:



Quote:

"Details of the larger problem at the Austin campus were uncovered in a private investigation commissioned by our then-Chancellor and a minority of Board members. The problem is, our university president teamed up with a new Chancellor and the state's most powerful elected officials to keep the findings sealed. The un-redacted report, which explains how hundreds of unqualified students manage to occupy spots in UT programs including our law schoolis locked in a courtroom after my lawsuit to make it public was challenged by the university."
Please look into this, Mr. Duke.
And yet, G. Dubya couldn't manage his way in? Weird.
Tom Kazansky 2012
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David_Puddy said:

Too bad this wasn't going on 20+ years ago or Buscemi could have gotten in! Then he wouldn't look like an absolute d00sh on every thread because at least he might have held a degree from the school he's e-defending on here daily.
Buscemi grew up in a trailer park. He still wouldn't have a shot.
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SteveBott said:

Of the 70% applications were accepted 60% were top ten students. Another 20% or so got auto accepted by academic achievement. They needed 1250 SAT and top 25% of their class. There was no choice to accept those students.

Compared to total population growth of Texas we accept roughly the same percentage of that population. The state gets bigger but we are not expanding flagship universities.

You get into A&M by putting in the work in HS. They have to earn it. The school is not expanding due to Sharp but population growth.
Public schools in Austin are horrible (except for LASA). I assume this is true for the rest of the state.
SteveBott
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Not sure your point. You still have to do the work to get top ten. Or top 6% at tu. You still have to compete with your class regardless of quality of teaching and use what learning is available.

My point was A&M is not trying to be a diploma mill. It's harder now to get in either school then 20-30 years ago. I put three kids through A&M and saw what it took to get top ten. Our growth is proportional to population growth of the state.
levypantsEOY
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This would be true if we didn't have a case study an approx 45 minute drive directly to the west. tu has somehow managed to keep rigorous admissions (they let in less than 40% of applicants) and has moved up in rankings (the people who say they don't matter don't matter) despite a growing Texas population. I know they have a top 6% automatic entry when we have 10%, but that delta doesn't make up for the 38% to 71% admit rate.
Top 10% is a total farce. Being in the top 10% of a lot of public high schools requires you to have the ability to walk and chew gum and little else. I understand that's a state funding requirement, but how did the sips get away with dropping that to 6% and we are still hosed at 10%?

A&M is still a great school but it is being tarnished with a "come one come all" attitude towards its undergrad population. We aren't Arizona State.
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33 said:

Macarthur said:

We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $


Why would he not get money for UT?


He's a middle class white kid with good grades. He didn't check any of the boxes that tu values.
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I hate to say I agree with the sip, Levy.
ABATTBQ11
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Have you seen the talent at Arizona State though?
Macarthur
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ABATTBQ11 said:

33 said:

Macarthur said:

We've been very honest that he may get into UT, but will get zero $


Why would he not get money for UT?


He's a middle class white kid with good grades. He didn't check any of the boxes that tu values.

Unfortunately, this is correct.
levypantsEOY
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Have you seen the talent at Arizona State though?


Good point. Ill let it stand.
houag80
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Best wishes to your son. Sounds like he will do well wherever he chooses to attend.
Macarthur
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Thanks. He's very excited and has a couple of buddies going to A&M so I think he's almost convinced to go to A&M.

I shared one of these articles about the mess at UT admissions and he sees their BS so I think he's cooled on UT.
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