This is a bit overblown.Champ Bailey said:
Patterson also had that coke ring a couple years ago that a bunch of players were involved in. Also the Boykin thing where he punched a cop the night before a bowl game.
How many scandals have to take place before you start looking at whether its worth a record barely better than Kevin Sumlin's?
So you don't think a coach blackmailing a player to play hurt and in so doing ruining their NFL chances a big deal? This is bigger than any player being arrested for X.Macarthur said:This is a bit overblown.Champ Bailey said:
Patterson also had that coke ring a couple years ago that a bunch of players were involved in. Also the Boykin thing where he punched a cop the night before a bowl game.
How many scandals have to take place before you start looking at whether its worth a record barely better than Kevin Sumlin's?
The players were arrested for selling weed, not coke. The coke ring was students. Boykin was certainly high profile, but over the last 4 years, A&M has had far more arrests than TCU.
Did you not read my first post? I didn't say this is not a big deal.Cynical_Texan said:So you don't think a coach blackmailing a player to play hurt and in so doing ruining their NFL chances a big deal? This is bigger than any player being arrested for X.Macarthur said:This is a bit overblown.Champ Bailey said:
Patterson also had that coke ring a couple years ago that a bunch of players were involved in. Also the Boykin thing where he punched a cop the night before a bowl game.
How many scandals have to take place before you start looking at whether its worth a record barely better than Kevin Sumlin's?
The players were arrested for selling weed, not coke. The coke ring was students. Boykin was certainly high profile, but over the last 4 years, A&M has had far more arrests than TCU.
This deals with how the TCU coaches sacrifice their players futures just to win.
Nowhere in that statement did I see "this is a big deal". You used a double negative so I cleaned it up.Macarthur said:
Patterson is certainly old school in many ways. I do think it would be prudent to hear both sides here. Patterson has a ton of former players that love him.
I also think it's funny how many want to jump on that bandwagon to bash Patterson & TCU here, yet so many love to pontificate about how things were in the old days and praise guys for playing hurt and praise 'old school' coaches, etc.
Macarthur said:This is a bit overblown.Champ Bailey said:
Patterson also had that coke ring a couple years ago that a bunch of players were involved in. Also the Boykin thing where he punched a cop the night before a bowl game.
How many scandals have to take place before you start looking at whether its worth a record barely better than Kevin Sumlin's?
The players were arrested for selling weed, not coke. The coke ring was students. Boykin was certainly high profile, but over the last 4 years, A&M has had far more arrests than TCU.
Cynical_Texan said:Nowhere in that statement did I see "this is a big deal". You used a double negative so I cleaned it up.Macarthur said:
Patterson is certainly old school in many ways. I do think it would be prudent to hear both sides here. Patterson has a ton of former players that love him.
I also think it's funny how many want to jump on that bandwagon to bash Patterson & TCU here, yet so many love to pontificate about how things were in the old days and praise guys for playing hurt and praise 'old school' coaches, etc.
What I saw was deflection of criticism of Patterson because he is "old school in many ways" and "have to hear both sides because other players love him".
Champ Bailey said:
Ok. One of the players arrested was his starting QB. Boykin, another starting QB, assaulted a cop 2 days before a high profile bowl game.
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Now there is a guy saying he is blackmailing players?
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Again, how much has to happen to justify keeping a coach that barely has a better record than Kevin Sumlin in a much inferior league?
ABATTBQ11 said:
Up until awhile ago, a lot of people thought baylor's program was comparatively clean and well behaved and that Art Briles was a standup guy.
Yes.AgEng06 said:
Does Casey Pachall ring a bell?
How bad? IF (and yes big if) this did occur, what do you think Patterson's punishment should be?Macarthur said:
If this, worst case, comes out that Patterson did this and told other players that they had to play with pain or he would hurt their draft chances, that would be bad, but it still wouldn't rise to the level of what Baylor did.
Macarthur said:ABATTBQ11 said:
Up until awhile ago, a lot of people thought baylor's program was comparatively clean and well behaved and that Art Briles was a standup guy.
I don't think you want to compare this to Baylor's troubles do you?
If this, worst case, comes out that Patterson did this and told other players that they had to play with pain or he would hurt their draft chances, that would be bad, but it still wouldn't rise to the level of what Baylor did.
Cynical_Texan said:How bad? IF (and yes big if) this did occur, what do you think Patterson's punishment should be?Macarthur said:
If this, worst case, comes out that Patterson did this and told other players that they had to play with pain or he would hurt their draft chances, that would be bad, but it still wouldn't rise to the level of what Baylor did.
Champ Bailey said:
It's still a coach committing a felony. Also, if we hadn't had two knucklehead QB's, Kevin Sumlin might still be here.
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Patterson on the other hand had a starting QB involved in a drug ring.
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Not buying and smoking, but selling.
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His other "knucklehead" QB as you do lovingly called him, assaulted a cop. Trying to compare them to a drunk and a daddy's boy is hilarious though.
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Also, I love how you simultaneously denigrate the player by saying he was a mid draft pick at best, as if that somehow should discount his story, and say that he was still going to be drafted, so even if the blackmailing is true, it shouldn't matter.
Macarthur said:ABATTBQ11 said:
Up until awhile ago, a lot of people thought baylor's program was comparatively clean and well behaved and that Art Briles was a standup guy.
I don't think you want to compare this to Baylor's troubles do you?
If this, worst case, comes out that Patterson did this and told other players that they had to play with pain or he would hurt their draft chances, that would be bad, but it still wouldn't rise to the level of what Baylor did.