I agree Chicken Ranch. Investigate , get proof , throw the book at the perps and if there are witnesses who didn't say anything them charge them as accessories. If a coach was told and did nothing then they are guilty .
Thing is, it wasn't just the athletic program. The entire school failed to implement the required title IX office for years. Then when they did, they allegedly withheld the resources requested by the Title IX coordinator and when she and others on her staff quit in disgust, they blamed everything on her.Zombie Jon Snow said:
I disagree.
They need to shut down their entire athletic program. Period.
The Chicken Ranch said:Irish_Man said:GAC06 said:This is much worse than Penn StateThe Chicken Ranch said:
Good lord no. I'm no Baylor fan but this is stupid.
Penn State still has a team, and Baylor needs to keep their team also.
Is it?
I'm not sure how to rank child rape vs football players raping female college students.
They're both god awful, terrible and disgusting. I'm just not sure how to say one is more evil than the other.
But in the end, hasn't the NCAA already said they will do nothing?
This is basically where I am with it. All of these things are criminal matters. Sure, you can revoke scholarships and do a bowl ban. At the end of the day these matters need to be brought to justice in a criminal court.
A football death penalty punishes the fans just as much as the team, and it doesn't bring one iota of justice to the victims.
Throw all the perpetrators in jail. That's what needs to happen.
If you agree with this, and have read about the atrocities occurring within/around their program...it's hard to imagine you'd be against them shutting down the program.Quote:
I agree Chicken Ranch. Investigate , get proof , throw the book at the perps and if there are witnesses who didn't say anything them charge them as accessories. If a coach was told and did nothing then they are guilty .
Zombie Jon Snow said:
They need to shut down their entire athletic program. Period.
How so?GAC06 said:This is much worse than Penn StateThe Chicken Ranch said:
Good lord no. I'm no Baylor fan but this is stupid.
Penn State still has a team, and Baylor needs to keep their team also.
SchizoAg said:
I know this is an unpopular opinion around here (and in the Burnt Orange media especially), but until such time as someone is charged with and convicted of an actual crime, they should be presumed innocent. I don't care how much hearsay and circumstantial evidence is floating around in the media.
SchizoAg said:
I know this is an unpopular opinion around here (and in the Burnt Orange media especially), but until such time as someone is charged with and convicted of an actual crime, they should be presumed innocent. I don't care how much hearsay and circumstantial evidence is floating around in the media.
GAC06 said:This is much worse than Penn StateThe Chicken Ranch said:
Good lord no. I'm no Baylor fan but this is stupid.
Penn State still has a team, and Baylor needs to keep their team also.
Agreed, Penn State deserved a lot more than they got. The alumni and student body closed ranks around their football program the Death Penalty would have been appropriate to bring them to their senses.Quote:
No. Penn State looked down their nose at everybody while their Joe Pa turned the other way and even enabled Sandusky. For what? To avoid damaging their program. Plain and simple. Remember when they all started learning of the scope of what happened? A Penn State pep rally! No....heck with them.
Counter argument is that Baylor is in the weakest (in terms of conference stability) of the P5 conferences. A Baylor death penalty will certainly and obviously bring about major structural changes. Yes, it can be argued that SMU death penalty lead to the death of the SWC, but a Baylor death penalty will certainly and quickly lead to the desolation of the B12. Still, just an additional factor to the sip manipulations, but you know sip media will point to Baylor death penalty as the reason and spin that tu was the victim.PaulC_80 said:Agreed, Penn State deserved a lot more than they got. The alumni and student body closed ranks around their football program the Death Penalty would have been appropriate to bring them to their senses.Quote:
No. Penn State looked down their nose at everybody while their Joe Pa turned the other way and even enabled Sandusky. For what? To avoid damaging their program. Plain and simple. Remember when they all started learning of the scope of what happened? A Penn State pep rally! No....heck with them.
Bayrol is a textbook case of Loss of Institutional Control and are repeat offenders with multiple rapes among the football team and a previous murder and cover up on the basketball side of the house. It appears that the Bayrol Administration has repeatedly done every thing it could to cover up things for the football players actions.
The NCAA should have dropped the hammer on Penn State, but Penn State was too powerful and had to many influential alumni. The NCAA chickened out. On the other hand, Bayrol is an arguably much worse situation, has a small fan and alumni base and is in a barely relevant conference. If the NCAA wants to maintain any authority it should burn Bayrol Athletics to the ground.
But wasn't the penn state stuff brought to light not long ago? Wasn't it only after the GA said something that the chips started to fall, whereas in Baylor's case, theses cats knew from day one? I thought this stuff at penn state has been happening for a while, but no one knew about it until the very end. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, both are horrible events.Irish_Man said:GAC06 said:This is much worse than Penn StateThe Chicken Ranch said:
Good lord no. I'm no Baylor fan but this is stupid.
Penn State still has a team, and Baylor needs to keep their team also.
Is it?
I'm not sure how to rank child rape vs football players raping female college students.
They're both god awful, terrible and disgusting. I'm just not sure how to say one is more evil than the other.
But in the end, hasn't the NCAA already said they will do nothing?
Couldn't agree more, BUT the NCAA is not a law enforcement entity.Cy_Tolliver said:
Nothing that happened at SMU even approaches what Baylor as an institution has done.
I suspect if DOJ and DOE bring the hammer, McLennan County and Texas will be limited to prosecuting rapists. If DOJ uncovers some slam dunk case of conspiracy to commit rape or accessory to rape, then maybe a coach or admin gets some criminal charges too.BESCo91 said:Couldn't agree more, BUT the NCAA is not a law enforcement entity.Cy_Tolliver said:
Nothing that happened at SMU even approaches what Baylor as an institution has done.
The SMU case (and the OleMiss case today) is easier for the NCAA .... they are rules violations.
The PSU and BU cases are criminal; that's the purview of McLennan County and the state of Texas.
With that said, BU did gain a competitive advantage by keeping players on the roster & playing that should have been kicked off the team (minimum) and/or incarcerated.
The competitive advantage angle is within the NCAA's purview .... ie, rules, not laws.
I do expect BU to get hit hard by the feds (DOJ, DOE) until Title 9 violations.
I do expect BU to get some sort of sanctions by the NCAA, but I fear we will all be rather disappointed at the severity.
Additionally, I would hope that McLennan County and the state of Texas do something!