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The Sooners are about to go on a run though. They won't play anyone as tough as Houston or Ohio State in the Big 12.

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And it won't matter. They'll lose one or two in conference anyway.

The playoff is 4 teams and this year UH or Louisville will steal one of those spots.

2 of the power 5 conferences will be left out and it certainly looks like the Big 12 will be a lead pipe lock to be one of them.

I'm not saying they are a playoff team. I'm more thinking about Stoops saving his job. After a bye week, they play at TCU and then the RRS. TCU has just lost its best playmaker to a knee injury, though I did not see if he is out for the year or not. And Texas isn't really that special, and now OU will enter that game needing a win unlike last year.

To me, Stoops is the guy that just always finds a way to get it done. I think they are 4-2 heading into Lubbock, and that one is going to be tough given the state of their defense.

Right now, I think OU should be the favorite to win the BDF and I couldn't be more tickled. Seriously, every team has flaws (that's why they suck) so who has the best chance of rolling.

Kansas, ISU, TCEH, WVU, KSU - Out. They all suck.

OSU - lost to a directional Michigan. Hahahaha

TCU - Eek by SDSU, lose to Swine and beat a hapless ISU team at home by 21. No they're just OK.

Baylor - Yet to play anyone at all. OSU will not really be a good test. I still think this team folds the first time they get hit in the mouth hard. Teams with character fight through adversity - Baylor hasn't recruited kids with character in quite some time.

Texas - No defense at all.

OU - they're kinda what's left. As long as they beat Baylor 9and the game is in Norman), I think they take this trash league.

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Louisville is in the ACC, they won't steal any spot. The winner of the ACC is going to make the playoff

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I was thinking Louisville was in Houston's conference.

Duh.

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If you stayed up late to listen to the post game locker room show on the animal, JD Runnels put some of the blame on this loss ( OSU ) on conference affiliation.

Para-phrasing...." Big time players don't want to play in this league, OU has to get out...."

If former players are starting to say OU can't recruit in this conference, then it's about F..King time to leave.

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Even Toby Rowland who is OU's radio play by play man and who is normally extremely slow to be critical about anything was commenting this morning about how the Big 12 had handicapped OU's football recruiting.. The momentum to move OU out of the Big 12 is growing stronger.

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I would agree than many of us could have predicted it in 2010 & 2011 but Boren sure didn't or he didn't care..
Boren want OU attached to osu's hip and apparently still does in spite of the fact that would cost OU tens of millions each year to stay.

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All that damn money, yet the Board of Regents sold our academics down the river. I digress.

Huh????

Prolly thinks athletics should fund academics. Blah blah blah

We want ou to go 8-4 this year. Bad enough for several of their big recruits to bail, not bad enough for stoops to get fired.

It would also be good if the sips go 7-5. Enough that they cannot justify firing Charlie after 3 years, bad enough to kill recruiting.

And ou is not leaving the conference until 2025 at best.

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Prolly thinks athletics should fund academics. Blah blah blah

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I doubt it. Point being that we're pounding our chest about being in the SEC, while tu passes us in academics. It's like Bush on that aircraft carrier at the end of the second Iraq war.

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Prolly thinks athletics should fund academics. Blah blah blah

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I doubt it. Point being that we're pounding our chest about being in the SEC, while tu passes us in academics. It's like Bush on that aircraft carrier at the end of the second Iraq war.

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The SEC is a better academic conference than the B12 so first thing, your talking point started out stupid.

Second, all of the presidents since Gates left are the problem, not the SEC move, which could be considered one of the only things we got right since Gates.

Third, really? A Bush reference? Want to drag out some hot Nixon references too?

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Prolly thinks athletics should fund academics. Blah blah blah

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I doubt it. Point being that we're pounding our chest about being in the SEC, while tu passes us in academics. It's like Bush on that aircraft carrier at the end of the second Iraq war.

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The SEC is a better academic conference than the B12 so first thing, your talking point started out stupid.

Second, all of the presidents since Gates left are the problem, not the SEC move, which could be considered one of the only things we got right since Gates.

Third, really? A Bush reference? Want to drag out some hot Nixon references too?

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None of us care about the Big 12 except for 4 schools. Two of those have passed us in academics, Baylor and tu. But yeah our season ticket holders get a better ride.

So you're just angry about our academic ranking and bringing up athletics because it's bright and shiny. Got it.

They aren't related at all.

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We want ou to go 8-4 this year. Bad enough for several of their big recruits to bail, not bad enough for stoops to get fired.

It would also be good if the sips go 7-5. Enough that they cannot justify firing Charlie after 3 years, bad enough to kill recruiting.

And ou is not leaving the conference until 2025 at best.

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I'm going to repeat myself again and warn that short of a 10 win season, Strong's record will not be the determining factor in whether Strong is fired. The determining factor will be the Herman sweepstakes.

If Herman is in play on the coaching carousel, Strong will be fired for 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 record. Strong is not glib enough to garner unwavering support among the BMDs. He can't play the glad-handing political game any better than he can form a coherent game plan for an opponent.

In short, some things are out of Strong's control.

Herman is going to be up this season. Someone in the SEC west is getting fired this season.

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So you're just angry about our academic ranking and bringing up athletics because it's bright and shiny. Got it.

They aren't related at all.

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Bragging rights apply to academics and athletics. You're a little dense aren't you?

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You're a little dense aren't you?

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This is a thread about athletics...

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If Herman is in play on the coaching carousel, Strong will be fired for 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 record.

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Can you imagine the **** storm if Strong is fired after going 9-3? I would think some senior administrators would step in and tell Red to go to hell/

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Bragging rights apply to academics and athletics. You're a little dense aren't you?

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Okay well go worry about your bragging rights in academics in some other place and we'll worry about the sports, okay?

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If Herman is in play on the coaching carousel, Strong will be fired for 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 record.

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Can you imagine the **** storm if Strong is fired after going 9-3? I would think some senior administrators would step in and tell Red to go to hell/

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First, I can't imagine Strong winning 9 games with all of the coaching turmoil, plus Sterlin Gilbert's version of a Briles' Spread will get that freshman QB killed early. He's already been taken out of games for being shaken up on plays...against a Cal defense no less. Swoopes still can't hit the broad side of a barn on most of his passes.

All of that might be surmountable if they had any coherence on the defense, which they don't. And that's coaching the fundamentals and being able to line up correctly. That's not fixable over a bye week, if they weren't fixed during spring and fall camps.

But to the crux of your question, where Strong miraculously reaches nine wins, the admin will yield to the BMDs again. They have to. They need the money and good will on both the athletic and academic sides keeping the money flowing. Plus Perrin is a Houston guy. He knows full well about Herman's winning style in personality and coaching. It's a match made in heaven for the horn coach to have that much competence and swagger. Herman would be their version of Harbaugh.

aggiehawg is right. Ironically I think whether Hermann is in play will depend a lot on if UH gets into the Big 12. His salary jumps to $5 mil and then $7 mil a year pretty quick in his contract.

I saw an interview with Hermann and Mack Brown and Tom absolutely gushed over Brown thanking him for being such a great mentor, leader, and coach and that he can only hope to be as good as him one day. It was sticky sweet over the top. Hermann is already politicking for the sip job. It is his dream job.

But, they will have to pony up at $7 mil a year and pay Strong's buyout. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I guess I just disagree. Firing a minority coach, in year 3, with a 7-5 record would get the sips crucified in the media.

Heck, Chollie might end up filing a lawsuit. Look at Bev Kerney. She scisored and munched her way through the women's track team for years, yet still had the audacity to claim her termination was unfair.

As angry as their BMD's may be, the sips are run by liberal academics. They ultimately crave recognition by their peers at Cal, Michigan, UNC, Illinois, UVA, Wiscy, UCLA, etc and invited to the "Public Ivey" circle jerk. They placate the BMDs once in a while. They do not care if the BMDs praise their work.

Look at all the "terrible media coverage" Mizzou got from the liberal press this past year. The sips do not want that. If Chollie fails to make a bowl game, then the sips have some "justification." I see the 7th win as insurance for Chollie.

I also do not think Herman jumps at any SEC job. The starting point in evaluating a program is their stadium. Helmet programs play in 80k or bigger.

That leaves (unless a firing for cause): L$U, Auburn and Tennessee

I would not touch Auburn as long as Saban is still coaching. They did Biwden wrong. They did Tubberville wrong. They brought in Chizik because he was willing to cheat. Malzahn does not deserve to get fired if he makes a bowl. Auburn treats good coaches poorly.

L$U is an interesting case. They have hated Miles for not being Saban, which is unfair. But maybe he is an isolated case.

Tennessee has to win with out of state recruits, but has the facilities to do it.

But if the sip job is Herman's dream, he could wait another year. Chollie probably stalls out again in year 4, which woudl make firing him easier.

Herman's just waiting for tOSU to have a rough patch...then, Urban's looming massive coronary will start looming again just like when Florida started floundering....and voila, all the benefits of tu without the problems (and without the SEC taking whatever it wants in the home state). I think bama and tosu are the 2 best jobs out there.

It's as realistic as several other scenarios floating around! (i.e., not very.)

Also, Ward's already gimpy. If he goes out UH could have another UConn-type game, followed by a blowout loss to Louisville, followed by a bowl disappointment.

...and then maybe Petrino (or somebody else) takes Herman's "throne" and around and around we go....

Herman beat FSU in a bowl game FSU didn't care about against a team they didn't respect. Otherwise, he beat the mighty(!) Sooners in HOUSTON. Not only that, he....(?)(?)(?). Hey, I know he's a terrific coach, and he'll have a great career, but I'll hold off on the coronation...and it's ridiculous to get all nervous about his future impact on Texas A&M football. A few other more relevant variables out there!

We were ecstatic at grabbing Alabama's HC once. Massive coup, right?

I wish I had a dollar for every highly successful mid major coach was given the 'next Vince Lombardi' crown before they earned it.
I think Herman may be a great coach at the upper level power 5 regions, but there are no guarantees. A few injuries and couple of losses going in can knock the luster off a coach quickly.

I am not so sure that Herman would not seek to take the path of least resistance instead of trying to truly test his mettle week in and week out in the SEC.

I think barring injury UH will get lit by Louisville.

I can tell you that I would not be overly afraid if A&M ended up matched up against UH in a bowl game. I think we would wear them out.

I had this dream where Herman turned the sips down. It was a sweet dream.

Redstone- I interpret a lot of sarcasm.

I am not saying its racist at all. I think a coach should get fired once the higher ups no longer believe that coach is likely to get the program where it needs to go.

But the media does not work like that. They look at the 4 year rule, they see that Chollie is a minority, and they cry racism. Its what the media does. Not saying its fair or justified.

Ty Willingham deserved to be fired at ND- the program regressed in successive years. Sylvester Croom got a 5th year and failed to give MSU hope that he could turn it around. The guy at UCLA had one good season in 5. The fact that they gave him a 5th season was generous. Ruffin McNeil got a raw deal from both tech and ECU.

The only one the media did not go nuts over was Ruffin, because ECU is a smaller program.

Strong deserves many years, especially since he was denied opportunities due to race before, as he himself has stated. The arc of justice must be bent....#letsride

Talked to a former UT All American (in several sports) tonight. He is famous. Very tied into the program still. He played 6 years in the NFL.

Knows Red McCombs and all the big insiders. They are going after Tom Herman. They don't really want UH in the Big Xii because it will be harder to pull him out of there if they join the same conference.

He loves Strong personally (sincere guys when lives his players) but doesn't think he is the right fit. This guy has a daughter at A&M. Likes Sumlin. Won't say his name for obvious reasons.

Anyhow...it's on...