Randolph Duke

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NoneGiven
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Well look at that. Andrews stole the longhorn logo that they've now trademarked

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/longhorn-helmet-logo-made-its-debut-50-years-ago/nRfjZ/

Shocking stuff.
DifferenceMaker Ag
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That's the thing. There's a legitimate chance that he has an undiagnosed cognitive disorder like Aspergers, and there is no endgame for him. Let's list off and describe some symptoms of Aspergers, and you tell me:

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Intense preoccupation with a narrow subject, one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody, and physical clumsiness are typical of the condition, but are not required for diagnosis.

I'm sure Dan's ex can vouch for this. She no longer needs to keep a funnel and a shoehorn on the nightstand.
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Well look at that. Andrews stole the longhorn logo that they've now trademarked

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/longhorn-helmet-logo-made-its-debut-50-years-ago/nRfjZ/

Shocking stuff.


Seriously, Andrews just traced it out of a book and they started making it? Whoever originally designed it is owed millions. I bet Randoplh will do the right thing and get to the bottom of it.

I do wonder what their trademark filing for the horn logo says.
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Well look at that. Andrews stole the longhorn logo that they've now trademarked

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/longhorn-helmet-logo-made-its-debut-50-years-ago/nRfjZ/

Shocking stuff.


Seriously, Andrews just traced it out of a book and they started making it? Whoever originally designed it is owed millions. I bet Randoplh will do the right thing and get to the bottom of it.

I do wonder what their trademark filing for the horn logo says.

It would be the greatest instance of Karma of all time if Randys insanity and obsession with our trademark actually caused someone to take a hard look at the sip logo trademark and caused them to either lose it or have to pay a buttload to the real owner to keep it.
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More drivel for your early morning reading.

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The university has claimed in its federal court filings that "The 12TH MAN Mark was initially adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of a student at Texas A&M, E. King Gill, and his spirit of readiness to serve Texas A&M's football team in time of need."



In my original 2013 story, Gill's speech is linked where he explains the school's tradition as it is associated with him didn't begin until the 1939 radio play.



How does the school reconcile Gill's claims to the origins of the tradition with the school's claims in their federal trademark filing? The school absolutely has to defend 1922 as the year it started and that it was associated with Gill in 1922, but not a single TAMU alumnus, living or dead, has ever seen a scrap of paper prior to 1939 that associated E. King Gill with the schools 12th Man tradition.



In truth, the school called their fans in the stands the team's 12th Man at least as early as 1921. The 1922 date had no significance to the school's 12th Man tradition whatsoever until McQuillen's radio play when the Gill aspect was added.



All this would have been fine if the school hadn't represented in their trademark filing and in their court filing to defend the trademark that the McQuillen radio play fairy tale was true and accurate. The trademark was fraudulently obtained and the school's administrators have know of this for 27 years. It's a big no-no to file false statements in federal court filings and unless the school can explain how their court filings are true and Gill was a liar in his 1964 speech, John Sharp and his buddies have a BIG problem.



Read the story here:

http://www.hornsports.com/articles/featured1395317068/texas-am-and-the-12th-man-the-story-of-th-r3866

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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.



What the school needed to do when they filed the trademark application is explain how the phrase wasn't still in the public domain at that time. The school couldn't (because the phrase was still in the public domain in 1990), so the school administrators decided to file a fraudulent trademark application that represented the fictional 1939 McQuillen radio play fairy tale as fact.



I'm not arguing the school should have filed a trademark application with a first use date of 1921. If you had, you would have never been granted the trademark.



What I am arguing is the school now has to prove "The 12TH MAN Mark was initially adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of a student at Texas A&M, E. King Gill, and his spirit of readiness to serve Texas A&M's football team in time of need."



If the school administrators can't prove that, they have a lot of explaining to do. And they should assume the audience for their explanation is the Attorney General.



This is about to get very ugly.


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Follow where the facts lead you and ask the same questions I am asking. Like I said, this isn't a case of "gotcha" or "my schools is better than your school." A false trademark application was intentionally filed by a public official and has been used to extort (my opinion) settlements from private parties. Is this proper behavior by public employees?



Gill had no events in 1921. His events were in 1922, but they caused no great stir. No one thought a thing about Gill and he wasn't recognized in any way, shape or fashion for what he did in 1922 until the 1939 radio play. Between 1921 and 1939, the university's 12th man tradition was indistinguishable from the 12th Man tradition of hundreds of other schools (including The University of Texas) in that it was comprised entirely of calling their fans in the stands the team's 12th Man. Ben Zimmer explained all this in his 2014 Wall Street Journal article.



Look at all the evidence of the school's attachment from between 1922 and 1942 and ask yourself if there is a single instance where E. King Gill is attached with the school's tradition. The school yearbooks are available online in searchable form. Look at the paucity of references to any 12th Man tradition from 1922 until about 1934. Look at Gill's 1924 senior yearbook picture. Look at any yearbook between 1922 and 1962 and find any example of E. King Gill attached to the school's 12th Man tradition. Yet he was supposedly a hero starting with the end of the game in 1922. Bull****.



In federal court in November the school has its attorneys represent to the court "The 12TH MAN Mark was initially adopted in 1922 as a remembrance of a student at Texas A&M, E. King Gill, and his spirit of readiness to serve Texas A&M's football team in time of need."



Yet the tradition from 1922 to 1939 had nothing to do with Gill. So why did the university intentionally lie to the federal court?



Even after the 1939 radio play, Gill wasn't truly attached to the school's 12th man usage. That was adopted later and this is explained by Gill in a 1964 interview.



The school administrators wanted the trademark in 1990 and they filed a fraudulent trademark application to obtain it.



And now they are about to be held accountable for their fraud.



The one thing the school can be thankful for is that the fraudulent filings in the federal court landed on the desk of a judge who is an **** alumnus who can always be expected by university administrators to put his ethics as a federal judge subordinate to his status as an **** alumnus and to just ignore the school's fraudulent filing. You know, "once an ****, always an ****."


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Look at the 2013 story that I gave the link for above. The trademark application is discussed there.



The reality is the TAMU 12th Man tradition didn't originate with Gill suiting up in 1922. Gill himself explains this and how he explains it is explained in the 2013 story.



The students at TAMU took a generic phrase from the public domain in 1921 and started calling their fans the team's 12th Man. This continued unchanged for decades. Gill's actions in the decade of the 1920s were less a part of the school's 12th Man tradition than the contributions of Oscar Buck, the individual who seems to have been named the school's first 12th Man.



In 1939, E.E. McQuillen wrote a radio play about the 1922 Dixie Classic that wiped 9 players who were standing on the sideline along with Gill from the school's history and falsely made Gill a hero, claiming he had that status dating back to 1922. The school's 1922 year book speaks clearly of the Dixie Classic game and while it mentions "honors were high and many" none of those honors in reality were given to Gill.



Ask yourself for a moment why a player who left the team before the end of the season, and who came down to stand on the sideline along with a number of other substitutes but didn't play, would be hailed a a hero over the players who were part of the team the entire season or any of the players who made the winning touchdown, made the game saving tackle or who played and literally shed blood to contribute to the win. It makes no sense. Nothing Gill did that day in 1922 was more valuable than the contributions of the people who actually played.



It wasn't until McQuillen's fictionalized play that falsely made Gill to be the lone substitute that the year 1922 had any importance in the school's 12th Man tradition, because over the ensuing decades after the radio play, gullible alumni were lead to believe the fictionalized radio play was the true story of the school's 12th Man tradition.



How should the families of the players who were erased from the school's history feel about how the school and the alumni have treated the contributions of their ancestors who were actually part of the team the entire season, truly did stand ready to go to the aid of the team if needed, and who have been treated like **** because the alumni chose to embrace a fairy tale instead of the school's true history? The names of those players were Wilson, Wilson (there were two Wilsons), Carruthers, Wendt, McClelland, Shifflett, Crawford, Smith, Neely and Hanna. The school's alumni have **** on the memories of those individuals by ignoring their service to the team.



John Sharp had the school's attorneys fraudulently represent to the federal court that the school's 12th Man tradition started in 1922 when the school began celebrating E. King Gill's coming from the press box to the sideline and that since 1922 the school has continuously celebrated E. King Gill as the school's 12th Man. That is a lie. Nothing was told to the court about the fact the school's attachment to the phrase at least as early as 1921. Nothing was said to inform the court the tradition with respect to Gill truthfully originated in 1939.



The school intentionally perpetrated a fraud upon the federal court in the case against the Colts. The federal judge in that case was a TAMU alumnus who seemingly **** all over his ethical obligations as a jurist and placed his undergraduate affiliation above his personal integrity by allowing the university to get away with their fraud. And you don't think all this is a story that is going to made public?! Trust me. This is about to go very public, but first the school administrators get to go on the record and explain their actions. And when they do, they need to speak as if they were speaking to the state Attorney General, because that is ultimately who is going to consider what they say.
HTownAg98
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So that's the big ka-boom? I'm underwhelmed.
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Haven't they threatened or else sued a number of small businesses and even other Texas city's police departments over the use of the logo that was traced out of an already published book?

Sounds to me like there's been a hell of a lot of fraudulent profiteering on the backs of the citizens of Texas through the decades. Did the men at the Alamo fight and die so that a bunch of liberals could knowingly perpetuate the lie that they created and own the silhouette of a cow head and rake in tens of millions of dollars while bullying small businesses, invalids and even other branches of the state government over the alleged ownership of their crayon-traced turf?

Just another way the school out west continues to rape the history of this state and do wrong by the citizens that support the younger, lesser, institution of higher learning.
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written. What the school needed to do when they filed the trademark application is explain how the phrase wasn't still in the public domain at that time. The school couldn't (because the phrase was still in the public domain in 1990), so the school administrators decided to file a fraudulent trademark application that represented the fictional 1939 McQuillen radio play fairy tale as fact.

Does he realize his school has trademarked the word "Texas"?
HTownAg98
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It's possible, though unlikely, that the copywrite on the book was expired. Though we won't know, because the name of the book appears to be lost to history.
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This is about to get very ugly.
i don't doubt that at all
The Collective
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It must suck being a public official or maybe more so a staffer for one. No doubt they get letters and correspondence from deranged individuals every single day obsessing over one stupid thing or another.
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.
Texas
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.
The color orange
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.
The letter T
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.
Admittedly stolen logo
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools were using the phrase. At that time, the phrase was in the public domain. As it also was in 1922. And in 1939 when the radio play was written.
Bevo, a nationally known beer.


You sir, are a ****ing moron
HTownAg98
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It must suck being a public official or maybe more so a staffer for one. No doubt they get letters and correspondence from deranged individuals every single day obsessing over one stupid thing or another.

The UN has greater impact from their strongly worded letters than this dumbass does.
Rick Dalton
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Randy...

NoneGiven
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How pissed is Randy that Texas can't use the UT logo east of the Mississippi?
p_bubel
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That wasn't the grand expose', was it?
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Was this the bombshell? Lol
Velvet Jones
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In 1921, your use of the phrase was indistinguishable from how hundreds of other schools

Where is this statement of fact verified? I want to see examples from at least 200 schools showing common use in 1921.

Have fun with that psycho.
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chigger
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Edit... sorry wrong link
Brazos Ag 1970
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But answer me one question, why doesn't TAMU have a single piece of documentation that ties E. King Gill in with the school's 12th Man "tradition" prior to the 1939 radio play?



It's not a tradition until it's written down, in triplicate, and distributed widely amongst the various news agencies for publication I guess.

Reminds me of the part in A Few Good Men where Kevin Bacon is asking Noah Wylie to point to the section of the USMC Manual that defines a "Code Red," and he can't. Then, Tom Cruise asks Wylie to point to the section where it details where the Mess Hall is at Gitmo, and he can't. Cruise asks, (paraphrase), "If the Marine Corps Manual doesn't define where the Mess Hall is, do you eat?"

"Three squares a day, sir."

"How did you now how to find the Mess Hall?"

"Well, I guess when I got hungry I just followed the line of guys going to get chow, sir."

Mr. Duke, the University probably never had to officially pass a decree and inform the 12th Man that they were, indeed, the 12th Man. HTH.
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That wasn't the grand expose', was it?

Yes, a self-authored article on a sports blog that no one reads what his grand expose'. It's quite pathetic.
DifferenceMaker Ag
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I haven't seen anything this pathetic since a philandering coach lost to Iowa St. 24-0 on his way to a 5-7 season resulting in his complete exposure as a fraud and a hypocrite.
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http://www.hornsports.com/forums/topic/11642-randolph-duke-the-ags-love-you/?p=206619

So who wants to do the FOIA request for emails to Jason Cook pertaining to the 12th Man Trademark?
Phatbob
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No, That was just his old article from years ago. The earth-shattering mic-drop is still on its way.
Rocco S
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He has his own website dedicated to posting novellas about the 12thMan, in addition to posting about it as much as he does on shag?

Good grief. There's obsessed, then there's having literally no life outside of a particular subject. He has no life outside of the 12thMan subject.

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God this guy is weird. I mean after reading as much of this stuff as I can stand, I still come away with only one question...

Who gives a ****?
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Heck, they even made their biggest fan site stop using the word BEVO.
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Heck, they even made their biggest fan site stop using the word BEVO.

I would like to see the trademark application for BEVO to make sure that it doesn't contain fraudulent representations.

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Heck, they even made their biggest fan site stop using the word BEVO.


Haha. Yep. It'd be like A&M going after #s for using Gig 'Em.
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I'm guessing they were contacted today and are collectively $#@!ting their pants at this very moment.
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Actually, we are collectively pissing on Charlie Strong's 5 Core Values, at the moment.
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Have we mentioned lately l how this whole deal is based upon a bet white his Michigan "buddy" to prove how obsessed stoooooopidagggyggyyygiigygytgyg really is?
Yes. And what he's proven is that if you lie brashly, boldly, shamelessly and often enough - on the internet for the whole world to see - about another school's cherished tradition, you will induce a response. Congratulations, Randy! I hope you enjoy that steak and the cool thou.
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Wtf does the Alamo have to do with anything?
As a native Texan, it has to do with pretty much everything.

This is my "Lone Star" emoji.
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and the cool thou


#LifeChangingMoney
StephenvilleAg77
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I forget, so somebody help me out here...Did the people at the Alamo fight and die so that football coaches at Little Brother Sip University in Austin could cheat on their wives by banging utex student trainers & big-titted spouses of boosters?
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