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Just curious, but what would the chances be that if realignment started, of the SEC preemptively taking a VA school and a NC school even if breaking even or taking a slight loss initially, just in case college football ever evolved into 4 16-team superconferences?

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I know Slive retired, but I'm sure he left behind a 'if this happens' toolbox for Sankey. I think if realignment happened again, VA and NC are the states we'd look to.

Doesn't matter what the idiot whorns or land thieves post or believe...SEC realignment was mainly about TV sets because the conference wasn't so desperate that it needed to pick schools just to stay afloat (see BDF current status). Yes, cultural fit was nice (and A&M has always been a cultural fit with the SEC), but it was about not diluting the conference payout. Whorns and thieves don't bring anything more than the conference already has. If you're not gonna dilute the conference payout (or at least not decrease it too much) VA and NC would be the starting places...

Whorns and thieves don't understand that the SEC is full of marquee programs. We're not the MWC or the American Conference. We don't need them to come in and headline or provide a matchup that people will finally give a **** about enough to watch. We're already chock full of marquee programs with history and tradition, and obviously people give so many ****s that they watch SEC matchups every weekend without fail.

The sips are never getting into the SEC because they bring nothing. A&M already brought the state of Texas into the SEC TV Footprint.

OU is in a state with a small population and would not deliver enough TVs to not dilute the payout to all SEC schools.

The SEC wants to expand East into VA and NC, preferably VA Tech and NC State. Getting VA and NC are populous states that offer lots of new TVs and fans.

OU's only chance at getting into the SEC is if the SEC is able to get only one school from either VA or NC but not a school from the other state. OU might be an acceptable fall back, 2nd choice, or maybe not.

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No way the b12 expands and Oklahoma stays.

No way the b12 doesn't expand and Oklahoma stays.

I do believe that Oklahoma in the SEC West is on the verge of becoming a very real thing.

The ground is swelling and the frightened are stirring about.

The donors will get what the donors want.

Just a gut feeling...

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Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, & Arkansas grouped together in the SEC excites me the most.

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Boren wants what the money tells him to want.

The money isn't hollering to quickly get to AAU status.

The money is screaming for the SEC competition.

Not many people would care to pay high prices for tickets to see b1g visitors.

Oklahoma/Nebraska is a dead horse that should never get beaten. May it rest in peace forever.

The SEC would bring epic excitement to Sooner football. Ticket prices would be insane for the foreseeable future.

Oklahoma will thrive in the SEC.

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As some of you may know. The B12 will be history early in the 2020's because of insurmountable TV revenues posted by the SEC, B10 and Pac 12. Mondo understands that Texas has contingency plans to go independent with ESPN ponying up a huge chunk of change. The B12 will be down over 1 billion between now and 2025 compared to the B10, and even further when compared to the SEC which continues to dominate TV ratings.

The question is, who do you want from the B12? Oklahoma? Do we need to pick off two teams?

There is monetary pressure from TV to reconstitute the ACC at the same time with the best from the B12. The SEC can impact that dramatically with an offer to OU. Thoughts?

It's very important that we start driving this bus. Mondo knows that perception is EVERYTHING.

The only question right now, is which team starts this last realignment? Texas? OU?

Mondo says Texas, but OU will be out front on this. Still looking at 2021.

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bump ... this thread is filled with gold. The delusion runs deep. Someone with a non-banned registration needs to stir the hornets nest at the bdf.

Mondo says 2021 is the key year for realignment.

TV networks will be working on re-upping the bdf college football contract and expecting the bdf to extend the GofRights commitment which expires in 2025.

With Amazon Prime now playing big in the NFL and attempting to become the sole carrier of Thursday night NFL, will big tech also dip their toe into the college football pot?

I can't wait for the bdf contract discussion to start heating up again!

Realignment is over for a while...even after the sip plantation GOR gets reworked...the SEC, sippy 10, acc, B1G and PAC are as they are going to be for a while...

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Realignment is over for a while...even after the sip plantation GOR gets reworked...the SEC, sippy 10, acc, B1G and PAC are as they are going to be for a while...

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I can't disagree with you. My belief is that parity will be the next big driver but I don't have any idea as to when that might occur.

Great bump. Next couple of years will be fun to watch.

No doubt discussions have already commenced about extending GoR in the Big XII. I'm guessing Texas and Oklahoma have been demur in these discussions.

I still hold Texas' best option - football wise - is going independent. At least, until they can find a way to get rid of the LHN.

I think that they are stuck in the Big 12. Would the Big 12 agree to have the Horns as a non football member like the ACC does with Notre Dame? They could go independent in football, but getting games in October and November when other schools are in the middle of their conference schedule would be a challenge. Also would the CFP be willing give Texas a special deal like Notre Dame has? That would be a tough sell. They could also move to the Big 10, but if they thought that games in Ames were cold, welcome to Minneapolis or State College in November.

Can Texas accept that their conference payout in the Big 12 could be $20M less than the SEC and B1G. Their budget could handle that but I'm not so sure about their ego.

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I think the growing elephant in the room may be the concern of players leaving early in the season once they feel their team is out of contention. Will the fear of how this might drive down regular season and the bowl ratings drive expansion of the playoffs?

If the playoffs are expanded, I think this will change the realignment talk as teams look for the easiest path to the playoffs. No easier path than the Dumpster Fire.

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You mean the thought of a trip to the Liberty Bowl is enough to keep players from opting out?

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Realignment is over for a while...even after the sip plantation GOR gets reworked...the SEC, sippy 10, acc, B1G and PAC are as they are going to be for a while...

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I can't disagree with you. My belief is that parity will be the next big driver but I don't have any idea as to when that might occur.

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You seem to be pretty level headed; just wondering what you would like to see happen wrt the horns.

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Realignment is over for a while...even after the sip plantation GOR gets reworked...the SEC, sippy 10, acc, B1G and PAC are as they are going to be for a while...

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I can't disagree with you. My belief is that parity will be the next big driver but I don't have any idea as to when that might occur.

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You seem to be pretty level headed; just wondering what you would like to see happen wrt the horns.

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With regard to conference alignment, I am ok with the B12 as a home if the conference can be strengthened from a football and basketball standpoint. However, since I don't really see that; and assuming Texas finds a new home, I would prefer the B1G.

Who in the hell is Mondo? The monkey? Alex Karras?

Autocorrect wins again, but I guess it works either way

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Great bump. Next couple of years will be fun to watch.

No doubt discussions have already commenced about extending GoR in the Big XII. I'm guessing Texas and Oklahoma have been demur in these discussions.

I still hold Texas' best option - football wise - is going independent. At least, until they can find a way to get rid of the LHN.

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Yeah, I can't wait for the discussions. I expect they will rehash the pain and the agony of a crap conference and a crap home schedule. Not to mention a crappy away schedule with uninspiring destinations to not desire to go to.

Of course, the discussion will will also be a lot about The Aggies and The SEC SEC SEC and $$$.$$.
There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Haha

When will ESPN dump the LHN is the big question, because it's going to happen eventually. It loses 15-20 million every year doesn't it?

Originally it was done to throw the tu dog a bone to keep the big 12 together.
But now there is zero chance tu and OU could leave even though they desperately want to, so espn no longer has the need to pat little brother horn on the head, throw him some kibble and tell him he's a good boy.

I think that ESPN is stuck with the LHN for another 10 years. I understand that the network is no longer bleeding cash like it was, especially since the upfront costs are long spent. I know nothing about the useful life of TV equipment, but eventually the equipment will need to be updated or replaced.

The GOR expiration date is the big date. If OU and Texas reups for another term in the BDF, it may be time to make Bevo Tevo the Bevo 12 network.

I am of the belief that the Big XII's GOR expiring in 2025 will be the impetus for a new realignment for the Pac and BDF. How that plays out will be very interesting, obviously. But make no doubt about, this will be Texas' only chance to get rid of any ties to Baylor and TCU, maybe even Tech.

Texas knows it has options--basically, they could stay, go west, or go north. Going west, with some combo of Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU, or ISU, seems most likely to me. Going north, with OU and/or KU, would seem to make sense, too. Any of those options drops Baylor and TCU off at the firehouse...

The other idea, though, is for Texas to go independent in football, ala ND and BYU. Rather easily, until 2031, when the LHN probably ends, they could play something like this every year:

ND
BYU
Army
New Mexico State
FCS
OU
UT-sateliite school
Tech
Rice
SEC/B1G school on OOC schedule
Baylor--as a payoff
Same Pac school

AAC would gladly let them play their non-football sports there, like ND and BYU do in the other sports.

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I think that ESPN is stuck with the LHN for another 10 years. I understand that the network is no longer bleeding cash like it was, especially since the upfront costs are long spent. I know nothing about the useful life of TV equipment, but eventually the equipment will need to be updated or replaced.

The GOR expiration date is the big date. If OU and Texas reups for another term in the BDF, it may be time to make Bevo Tevo the Bevo 12 network.

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Your two points are counter to each other. If ESPN/tu do not jettison LHN then the GOR gets extended. tu isn't going independent and they can't go to another conference with LHN in tow.

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I think that ESPN is stuck with the LHN for another 10 years. I understand that the network is no longer bleeding cash like it was, especially since the upfront costs are long spent. I know nothing about the useful life of TV equipment, but eventually the equipment will need to be updated or replaced.

The GOR expiration date is the big date. If OU and Texas reups for another term in the BDF, it may be time to make Bevo Tevo the Bevo 12 network.

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Your two points are counter to each other. If ESPN/tu do not jettison LHN then the GOR gets extended. tu isn't going independent and they can't go to another conference with LHN in tow.

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ND isn't really in the ACC for football. They play five games a year and NBC gets all of their home games even the ACC ones. The rest of their sports are in the ACC and fall under that leagues TV deal.

only the PAC is weak enough and has a bad enough conference network to even consider it. The other three won't. LHN already cost them a move to the PAC once.