Just another day at the flagship of toleration (and of course the state overall)

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BMEDAggie11
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Are you going to say I nor my Uncle never had any aspirations?


No, which is precisely why I said "many" and not "all"

You and your uncle probably didnt dick around, skip class and get in trouble with the law in your high school years, either.

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Comments like that are proof as to why we need diversity. Not just ethnic diversity but all sorts of diversity.


What does this even mean? We need diversity because not everyone is so willing to accept a system that rewards inferior academic skills? A system that, in certain instances, places your genetic code above your work ethic and body of knowledge defies all logic and reason. You want to know why many countries in this world have superior educational systems, especially those in parts of Eastern Asia? It's because they take the absolute best of best and tell evryone else to **** off and deal with life.

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Generalized blanket statements like that prove your ignorance and sadden me that you ever made it into TAMU.



Who's more ignorant: Those who want people admitted on the basis of merit, or those who want skin color and ethnicity factored into the equation?

And I'M the racist one
BMEDAggie11
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A kid that is vadictorian of his school deserves the opportunity to try to compete on the next level.


I agree, and this isnt what I'm talking about. If you're valedictorian of your high school class at a public school in inner city Dallas, you deserve to go to college, period.

I'm talking about the kid with a 2.5 who didnt work as hard as he could have and gets into college over a kid with a 3.0 because of a race quota.

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Roll2Tide
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Its time for you white folks in Austin to apologize for slavery.
Yersinia pestis
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Why shouldn't we apologize for slavery?
Yersinia pestis
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But I REFUSE to apologize for John Mayer.
TruePanBear
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Why is this racist? Jefferson Davis is a significant historical figure and, contrary to popular belief, slavery was NOT the biggest driving force behind the civil war. Economic differences/policies and states rights dwarfed slavery's significance. So what if he owned slaves? George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and many other founding fathers owned salves, but nobody gets upset when someone erects statues of them.

Hell, even Abraham Lincoln was "racist" by today's standards, he wanted to send them all back to Africa and out of his country. Again though, nobody gets upset when his statue goes up, and our first black president wishes to be compared to him.




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is incredibly ignorant.

the "economic difference" was a completely unpaid labor component associated with southern state's commodities - let alone the moral issues associated with those that profited on the slave trade itself.

There were more millionaires in Mississippi than anywhere else in the country due to this.

To say that slavery wasn't the driving component of the war is being intellectually dishonest.


Forced labor drove the southern economies, which drove the "State Rights" advocates, which drove succession.

Jefferson Davis symbolizes all of that and should not be put in the same sentence with George Washington nor Thomas Jefferson simply because they "owned slaves"


The later two built this country and the first tried his damnedest to tear it apart.

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Dr. Mittenhand
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Why shouldn't we apologize for slavery?


Because WE had nothing to do with it.

I'm Catholic but I'm not going to feel bad about the crusades.

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BMEDAggie11
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A Baylor grad lacking in basic historical knowledge? Shocking

Less than 1% of the people in the south owned even ONE slave, and only 10% of those people owned 5 or more, yet the majority of the south supported secession. The reason? States' rights that went far beyond just slavery.

Economically speaking, the north was so vastly superior to the south that it's like comparing Haiti to Germany. The mean annual income in the north was nearly triple what it was in the south. The north was responsible for 90% of all US exports.

Bottom line: Jefferson Davis was a prominant historical figure who was no more racist than the hundreds of other prominant American figures who came before him. Hell, he was no more racist than Lincoln (Anyone who thinks Lincoln didnt feel whites were superior to blacks is an idiot). Regardless of how you feel about his intentions, saying that erecting a statue of him symbolizes racism goes to show how ignorant and politically correct American society has become.
BMEDAggie11
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Why shouldn't we apologize for slavery?


Because anyone who had anything to do with slavery has been dead for over a century. Why should I apologize for something that went down 120 years before I was born? I've done nothing oppressive that warrants an apology.

And let's stop acting like what we were doing was any worse than what the Africans were doing to each other before they got here. Why morally obscene and indefensible, they were at worst no worse off here as slaves than in Africa brutally torturing and killing each other every day. Let us not forget, the only reason slavery was so profitable in the beginning was because Africans were so willing to sell their own for essentially nothing. Why arent Africans apologizing to each other for slavery? Yeah, slavery was horrible and deprived slaves of basic human rights, but it isnt like we took them from a million dollar penthouse and put them to work. They went from one bad situation to another.

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freeze
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BMED, where did you get your numbers? They seem different from the 1860 Census:

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html
FXST
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BMED, as always, you are an idiot.


After the invention of the cotton gin the US went from selling one third of the world's cotton to three fourths of the world's cotton. It became so profitable that the price of a slave went from two hundred to three thousand dollars. The only "states right" that mattered to the south, to the point where they were willing to go to war and against the industrialized north, was an economy completely based on cheap slave labor.

tb2011 – now that’s bringing the hate. This sock has promise.
Happy Kuykendahl
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After the invention of the cotton gin the US went from selling one third of the world's cotton to three fourths of the world's cotton.


I'll need the resident cotton expert to verify these figures before I believe them.
FXST
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After a late shift at the pizza joint he's probably sleeping in. So from wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_gin


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The invention of the cotton gin caused massive growth of the production of cotton in the United States, concentrated mostly in the South. The growth of cotton production expanded from 750,000 bales in 1830 to 2.85 million bales in 1850. As a result, the South became even more dependent on plantations and slavery, making plantation agriculture the largest sector of the Southern economy.[7] In addition to the increase in cotton production,the number of slaves rose as well, from around 700,000, before Eli Whitney’s patent, to around 3.2 million in 1850.[8] By 1860 the United States' South was providing eighty percent of Great Britain’s cotton and also providing two-thirds of the world’s supply of cotton.




I sent the club a wire stating, Please accept my resignation. I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.
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Furlock Bones
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i see the sips are still trying to claw their way out of the elephant sized dung heap the OP placed on their heads.
Frankie T
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We went from German soldier correspondence sips to the cotton gin. This thread definitely pulled the sip blimps out in force.


Here's a picture I found of the original tshirt tsips
FXST
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slavery was NOT the biggest driving force behind the civil war.

bmed

Actually we were just responding to the aggies version of the Grand Cyclops.Oh, and the L is silent when referring to the aggies as a flagship in anything.

I sent the club a wire stating, Please accept my resignation. I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.
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Dr. Mittenhand
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Poor Nazi-loving Sips.
BMEDAggie11
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The only "states right" that mattered to the south, to the point where they were willing to go to war and against the industrialized north, was an economy completely based on cheap slave labor.



Go read up on the nullification crisis, the writings of John Calhoun, the abuse of the commerce clause, etc. The issue of states' rights had been boiling over for decades and finally hit a tipping point. Slavery was one of a hundred grievences the south had.

Nobody is arguing that slavery wasnt highly profitable or that it wasnt the backbone of the southern economy. The cotton gin still didnt come close to evening the economic playing field between the north and south, though.

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The Male Pony Tail
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bmed

Actually we were just responding to the aggies version of the Grand Cyclops.Oh, and the L is silent when referring to the aggies as a flagship in anything.


So you mean ***ship huh? Ha ha. Man that is such an outstanding joke and you make me really glad to be attached to your stupid head.
BMEDAggie11
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bmed


Slavery was one of many state's rights issues the south wanted addressed. It's more than just intellectually dishonest to say that slavery was the only driving force behind the war, it's factually incorrect
Dr. Mittenhand
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Guys, guys, guys. We are straying from the point of this thread.

The point here is that the Sips are jew-hating, Hitler-worshiping, skin heads and should be treated as such.

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Frankie T
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Furlock Bones
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tb2011
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Wow, you morans really know how to sheet on a good thread
MidnightBevo
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How many negroes were enrolled at the Flagship of Tolerance during WWII?
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I'm guessing more than were on t.u.'s 1969 football team.


You’d be wrong. There was one African American on the 1969 football team. He was a freshman named Julius Whittier. At the time freshman were not allowed to play. It would be 20 years after WWII before A&M admitted the first African American, 14 years after Texas’ first African American student.

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That is the point of the top 10% rule, so that children of inner city schools and children of rural areas actually get a shot at higher education when their grade school education that WE AS TAX PAYERS PROVIDED didn't prepare them for the SAT course. Until we can truly provide ALL students with the exact same education (LMAO good luck with that) Those that workhard and strive deserve the OPPORTUNITY to achieve a secondary education. If the fail then it's of their own accord.


Tmoney,

The top 10% is a cluster**** and hamstrings our top Universites(UT and A&M) from competing with other top universities for out of state students, as well as some of the states best students. Without massive reforms including capping the percentage of students admitted under the top 10% and/or allowing the Universities to admit them to the system rather than the campus of choice and allow the best of those students to earn their way to Austin and College Station(this is how UT’s provisional program now operates) it will negatively impact both Universities. If nothing else, in a few years the number of students that both are forced to admit will rise above ideal enrollment numbers and overall education will suffer as the student/professor ratio will balloon.

But most importantly, as you touched on, this program is a band-aid on a massive chest wound. The only way to fix it is to start at elementary school and work your way up. Primary education can be fixed, but no one has the stomach for the political fight.

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“Racism is definitely still a problem on campus. Here at the University of Texas, a statue of Jefferson Davis graces one of our quads and the last minstrel show on campus was in 1964. Racist attitudes do, at times, quietly prevail. UT itself is not very diverse for its size, and the University has long been grappling with admissions policies related to affirmative action.
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While I have no doubt that racism exists at UT, this is bad quote to back it up. A minstrel show over half a century ago? And a statue of Jefferson Davis? History is history. We have one of George Washington too, and he owned slaves. We’re also the only school West of the Mississippi with an MLK statue and we have a huge Barbara Jordan statue. Tearing down the old confederate statues is a stupid and shot-sighted neglect to history. When I see statues of Washington, Davis, King, and Jordan all on one campus I see the progress of a nation, state, and University. All three of which strive to be better than the generation before.

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BMED I just lost all respect for you. You aren't a representative of TAMU. My uncle was in charge of a certain department of the Vet School at TAMU and came from absolutely ZERO. Due to the financial crash in the late 80s my family lost everything. The education system in my home town had deteriorated so much that it was almost over taken by the State Master. Are you going to say I nor my Uncle never had any aspirations? Comments like that are proof as to why we need diversity. Not just ethnic diversity but all sorts of diversity. Generalized blanket statements like that prove your ignorance and sadden me that you ever made it into TAMU.


Tmoney, you just made BMED’s point. You and your uncle both came from tough financial situations. But you did have aspirations. You busted your ass, and you went to college.

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A kid that is vadictorian of his school deserves the opportunity to try to compete on the next leve. If he or she fails, then it is no one's fault but their own. However, he or she should be rewarded for their hard work with the opportunity to continue to work hard.


What valedictorian was getting left out of college completely before the top 10% law? Before Colt McCoy no one knew where the hell Jim Ned was. It is a Podunk school in a Podunk town and most of the graduate don’t move any farther away than Abilene. My wife and brother-in-law grew up in a home of modest means, but that valued education. Both were valedictorians and both went to college. My bil got an academic scholarship to Princeton. My wife went to SWT because she wanted to study education, but had acceptance and scholarships to schools around the country.

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the "economic difference" was a completely unpaid labor component associated with southern state's commodities - let alone the moral issues associated with those that profited on the slave trade itself.

There were more millionaires in Mississippi than anywhere else in the country due to this.

To say that slavery wasn't the driving component of the war is being intellectually dishonest.


Forced labor drove the southern economies, which drove the "State Rights" advocates, which drove succession.

Jefferson Davis symbolizes all of that and should not be put in the same sentence with George Washington nor Thomas Jefferson simply because they "owned slaves"


The later two built this country and the first tried his damnedest to tear it apart


Why don’t you explain Texas in the Confederacy then. Very little slave ownership or trade. Economy not built on it. Also the vast majority of southern whites did not own slaves.

And Jefferson Davis was also trying to protect many of the principles the county was built on, including states rights and a limited Federal Government. This is not a clear cut black and white issue. Hardly anything in history is. And the more we water it down the less we learn from our past.

As to the OP, do you have a source and context for that quote? Just curious as fan of history and facts.
Hunt Texas
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^

seriously, dude.
Frankie T
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MB, which one of these was your Grandpappy?

tb2011
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As to the OP, do you have a source and context for that quote? Just curious as fan of history and facts.



http://books.google.com/books?id=EUwgldrFU80C&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22a+liberated+mind&hl=en&ei=s_feS_C1LIT78Abi8azkBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=german&f=false

You can see a snippet of the page that it's on but not the whole page there.
highwayman
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Flagship of diversity

texasfight68
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West of the Mississippi


MB - please don't confuse tmoney with geography
MidnightBevo
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Just out of curiosity why are you researching Dobie?







I do find it a little funny that you quoted someone so closely associated with UT who fought for civil rights not only at the University but in the state decades before Civil Rights was even term in the lexicon.
tb2011
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Yeah the corps is the biggest collection of misfits and inbreds this side of lubbock, but at least we only let in fake army AMERICAN kids, not nazis you JEW HATING NAZI LOVING RACIST PIECE OF SHEET
tb2011
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I do find it a little funny that you quoted someone so closely associated with UT who fought for civil rights not only at the University but in the state decades before Civil Rights was even term in the lexicon.



I am researching Dobie because I had to write a paper on his influence in creating the Southwestern identity. I find it funny that your school fired someone for fighting for civil rights and free speech then claimed him as one of your own again after he died, pretending you racists never fired him. Pooooooor *****ing t-sips, liars and intolerant scumbags scumbags since forever.
MidnightBevo
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About a dozen pictures of you most storied and wll known organizations...all white dudes.
MidnightBevo
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Interesting how you fail to see the process of advancement. He was the early voice in the woods at UT and in the state(as far as I can tell no such voice at A&M existed for quite a while).He and his family embraced the University long after his firing.
 
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