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[This message has been edited by TruePanBear (edited 5/1/2010 6:05a).]

Original thoughts are always welcome here on rivalries...

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-21641.html

then I should fit in well.

thank you.


think about it....it will come to you.

[This message has been edited by TruePanBear (edited 5/1/2010 5:33a).]

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oh, and no they are not.

Maybe the sips were teaching them how to declare victory after a defeat.
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Tard just got owned yet again. Carry on.

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oh, and no they are not.

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Actually, yes they are. You need to try lurking a bit more. Things can get pretty heated over here and some of the best threads are due to original thought.

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Tard just got owned yet again. Carry on.

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Someone please point out to me what I missed with a tard being owned?



Texasfight68, if you want to talk about obsession let's make note of how long it took you to find all of those articles to respond with. Add the fact that the Batt is a daily magazine. Yeah an idiot at our school painted his face in black paint. He also got his butt called out and faced punishment from the University. It's not quite the same as the University as an institution giving our sworn enemies at the time preference for education over our American Brethren.




However, you want to brag about how UNracist t.u. is let me call your hand by showing you some numbers:

Student Demographics
t.u.
Non-resident alien: 3.50%

Black non-Hispanic: 4.0%

American Indian or Alaskan Native: 0.40%

Asian or Pacific Islander: 17.0%

Hispanic: 16.10%

White non-Hispanic: 58.50%

Race-ethnicity unknown: 0.40%

TAMU:
Non-resident alien: 1.60%

Black non-Hispanic: 2.60%

American Indian or Alaskan Native: 0.50%

Asian or Pacific Islander: 3.50%

Hispanic: 11.0%

White non-Hispanic: 79.80%

Race-ethnicity unknown: 1.0%

http://education-portal.com/articles/Texas_%28TX%29:_Colleges,_Universities,_and_Career_Schools.html

Now let’s take a look at the state’s 2008 demographics:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html

Texas/USA

Black persons, 11.9% 12.8%

American Indian and Alaska Native
persons 0.8% 1.0%

Asian persons, 3.5% 4.5%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, 0.1% 0.2%

Persons reporting two or more races, 1.3% 1.7%

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, 36.5% 15.4%

White persons not Hispanic, 47.4% 65.6%


The majority of tu’s diversity comes from the Hispanic population and the Asian population. The Asian population I can’t explain because the US doesn’t even carry that kind of concentration. Your university doesn’t even represent the state population for Hispanics and Black persons. I wouldn’t brag about diversity so much. Neither school represents the state very well when it comes to the Black and Hispanic populations (Our primary minority groups). However, Austin is further south and the further south you go the concentration of the Texas Hispanic population increases as does the affiliation with tu. After that TAMU is more on par with the State and the country as a whole. Which tells me that TAMU doesn’t use some invalid enrollment criteria to enroll students, such as race or skin color, but rather important criteria such as grades, character, extracurricular involvement, etc. Who’s more racist tufight? The school that represents the population or the school that is skewed in comparison to the population. Whoopty doo… you have more Asians than us, Hispanics living south of you want to go to school closer to home, and the 1.1% of blacks is attributable to the politics of your school and really isn't blowing any minds IMO. Aren’t you proud. Please, don’t ever come on here again bragging about your diversity, because until it reads 35% Hispanic and 11.9% black, with your current Asian percentages you’re no better than anyone else.

In closing, because I think that this whole thread is pretty ridiculous anyway I am going to post some of my favorite “Stuff that white people like”:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/7-diversity/

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/20/11-asian-girls/

I wonder now how many of those Asians are female… that might explain a thing or two about that population skew.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/21/14-having-black-friends/

Edit: Not sure where the first "white persons" stat came from the 47% is accurate.

[This message has been edited by Tmoneyag99 (edited 5/2/2010 2:01p).]

holy crap 17% vs 3.5% asian enrollment. Wow, Asians must not find B/CS welcoming.

tmoney gets so hot when she's mad.

I was a little disappointed that those weren't porn links.

No you weren't.

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I live next to Pestis and he plays John Mayer loudly at all hours

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And no, BMED is not representative of most Aggies.

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Go **** yourself, whitey

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t.u.
White non-Hispanic: 58.50%

TAMU:
White non-Hispanic: 79.80%

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Diversity, means unlikeness regardless of how it is accomplished and whether you agree or disagree about how it is accomplished. A&M is only has 20.2% unlikeness which means it is made up of 79.8% of the same kind of people. Although A&M is becoming more diverse, don't get it confused with being diverse.

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Diversity, means unlikeness regardless of how it is accomplished and whether you agree or disagree about how it is accomplished. A&M is only has 20.2% unlikeness which means it is made up of 79.8% of the same kind of people. Although A&M is becoming more diverse, don't get it confused with being diverse.

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I am offended by your assertion that dallas and houston folk are "the same kind of people"

tmoney -

Your post is full of nothing but FAIL!!!

Run a google search with a&m and racism and the links I posted will be on the front page...FAIL #1.

Your stats prove that UT is more ethnically diverse than a&m. But your point is that by being less diverse a&m is more representative??...FAIL #2.

I see your point about Austin's geographic location lends itself to being more attractive to Hispanics in Texas. I'm sure its location 22.86 miles (Google earth estimate) further south makes ALL the difference...FAIL #3.

The OP posted a quote that another poster countered to say that the timing involved was post WWII. Reading comprehension is your friend...FAIL #4.



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OP took a big heaping dump all over the collective sip nation. i approve of this young chap.

Fail!


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However, you want to brag about how UNracist t.u. is let me call your hand by showing you some numbers:

Student Demographics
t.u.
Non-resident alien: 3.50%

Black non-Hispanic: 4.0%

American Indian or Alaskan Native: 0.40%

Asian or Pacific Islander: 17.0%

Hispanic: 16.10%

White non-Hispanic: 58.50%

Race-ethnicity unknown: 0.40%

TAMU:
Non-resident alien: 1.60%

Black non-Hispanic: 2.60%

American Indian or Alaskan Native: 0.50%

Asian or Pacific Islander: 3.50%

Hispanic: 11.0%

White non-Hispanic: 79.80%

Race-ethnicity unknown: 1.0%

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Fail.

texasfight68 is a complete and utter moron. The fact that you're spending your weekend arguing something as ****ing stupid as "diversity %" means you're a complete tool with absolutely no life.

FYI the latest enrollment data on A&M is right here.

http://www.tamu.edu/oisp/student-reports/enrollment-profile-spring-2010.pdf


[This message has been edited by The Source (edited 5/2/2010 12:54p).]

I could care less about 'diversity' because its an arbitrary standard that is far too open for interpretation. tmoney is the idiot who mentioned diversity through his fails at logic, stats, and geography.

And thanks for keeping me company in the toolshed.

Tmoney said that neither school is a good representative of the state's population on the basis of ethnicity. You're reading comprehension sucks and you attemped to call her out for something where you completely missed the poiht. And that's right-it doesn't matter. A school isn't less "accepting" than another because it's student population is less diverse than another. In fact, I think focusing so much attention on achieving it in the first place is one of our country's problems. Reward students based on merit alone-that's precisely what A&M does. We've taken a lot of heat for it, but it makes me proud that we won't bend in what we believe is the right thing to do, even if it's not popular. Texas doesn't do that, and that's a great illustration of the marked difference in the two schools. One tries to portray itself as the p.c., openminded Berkeley of the Southwest, while the other does what it feels is right, and doesn't give a **** if others get bent out of shape about it. It doesn't get any more Texan than that.

the t shirt whorns on this thread have been completely owned...good work!

Source get's it. The point is that 1st when the population as a whole is predominately white in the WHOLE COUNTRY is it really fair to deny one child an education because his or her skin or ethnicity is the wrong color for your diversity quotas? Granted I think diversity is important piece of the "other education" one receives when going to college. But there is not only diversity amoung ethnic races but there is also diversity achieved by admiting more people from across the country.

PLUS, Just because tu is "less" white than TAMU doesn't say anything. tu doesn't represent the State in which it serves essentially the just admitted a few more Asians and now they can brag about how diverse they are. Texas (the state) is one of the most diverse states (regarding population diversity) in the nation however tu still has a Higher percentage of white people than the state has and a higher percentage of Asians than exist in state and country as a whole. This is what you can called "veiled racism". This is what Southpark's single black character "Token" was made to make fun of.

When you consider the number of Black students that go to schools like Grambling and Prairie View TAMU and the bad rap TAMU get's for being "racist"


What's more, having grown up on the outer edge of East Texas, with family living in Crockett, Lovelady, Lufkin, and Beaumont trust me when I say any amount of racism at TAMU that does exist is a percentage which represents the level of racism as a whole in the population of Texas and the US. Should college students be better than that? Absolutely. But if any of you tshirts understand the first thing about ethnocentrism and anthropology you would also understand that racism unfortunately will never end. Even if we were all the same color and looked exactly alike we would still form cultural bias.

For example,I'm better than you because my University is better than Your University is a form of cultural bias, It just so happens that skin color and genetic code doesn't play in to the factor. Racism is similar bias all of which are based on invalid criteria. Skin color and ethnicity are more loathsome because it is not something which someone can control. However, what a lot of people fail to recognize is that racism is based on the representation of the stereotypical culture that skin/ethinic back ground represents. Regardless it is still wrong. However, the idiots in our species will always find away to make decisions and judgments on such bias.

Animals get it right... survival of the fittest. They dont breed because how well the female puts on her make up or the culture is the right one. Strongest male gets the poon, and the biggest F***up dies.

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Why do we have to be "diverse"? Why can't we just let the most deserving kids in regardless of race? If that happens to make us diverse, great. If not, then so be it.

Moreover, why does nobody ever beetch out the "all black" schools for not being diverse?

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Why do we have to be "diverse"? Why can't we just let the most deserving kids in regardless of race? If that happens to make us diverse, great. If not, then so be it.

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I agree with you to an extent BMED, the problem is this. The kids with the rich parents get the better educations and they have a better chance.

The poor kids (often children from minority ethnic groups) while maybe smart may not make as high of a grade, plus having a TRUE diverse (not just a few extra Asians thrown into the mix)population teaches us how to understand each other in the world, cohabitate and actually be more productive members of society (i.e appreciating a person for what they actually contribute over daddy's money)

That is the point of the top 10% rule, so that children of inner city schools and children of rural areas actually get a shot at higher education when their grade school education that WE AS TAX PAYERS PROVIDED didn't prepare them for the SAT course. Until we can truly provide ALL students with the exact same education (LMAO good luck with that) Those that workhard and strive deserve the OPPORTUNITY to achieve a secondary education. If the fail then it's of their own accord.


So yes all kids that DESERVE the OPPORTUNITY of an education at TAMU or tu should be allowed to attend, however it is important we fully understand the definition of "deserve"

I have a friend that went to a 5A school and took all of the AP courses and found out from her many of them were a lot less work but for her to get a 5.0 and be at the top of her class she had to take them. As a result she didn't have to work as hard as people taking the normal classes. I wouldn't know about AP courses because they weren't available in my school. I had to compete with everyone in my class and make better grades than everyone else.


So who actually DESERVES the opportunity to go to TAMU. The SAT & ACT are currently the only objective way to determine aptitude. Especially when each schools's grading system can be subjective and make it too difficult to compare apples to apples.

So saying who deserves the opportunity is really difficult and for state schools we dont want to encourage a system where jumping upwards across socio-economic groups is next to impossible. The last statistic I heard was that currently only 5% of the population jumps upward. So while we need to make it as objective a selection as possible, we need to also make it such that kids without access to the same opportunities as others but have proven their willingness to try can continue to try.

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such that kids without access to the same opportunities as others but have proven their willingness to try can continue to try.

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PS: A lot of these kids are black and hispanic kids, the two races that most of the Universities in the state are turning their backs on. This is why I dont think that tu should brag about their diversity. They really aren't doing that much to help the problem.

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The fact that you're spending your weekend arguing something as ****ing stupid as "diversity %" means you're a complete tool with absolutely no life.

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So says the ags having just published dissertations on the topic.

I'm a work-aholic & freely admit that I have no life.

This is my turf though buddy and a couple hours on the weekend on it doesn't make me a tool.


What's your excuse?

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I could care less about 'diversity' because its an arbitrary standard that is far too open for interpretation.

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Then why are you arguing? If you don't care and think diversity is arbitrary why would you brag about it and try to prove that tu is less racist? By the way just for reference here's the racism at tu you think doesn't exist:

http://newsone.com/nation/thabiti-lewis/lewis-university-of-texas-fumbles-on-racism/
http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/special/RLMoore-racist-math.html
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15248533/
V This article actually exemplifies what I’m talking about.
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/content/racism-university
http://www.theloop21.com/news/students-speak-out-about-racism-college-campuses

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“Racism is definitely still a problem on campus. Here at the University of Texas, a statue of Jefferson Davis graces one of our quads and the last minstrel show on campus was in 1964. Racist attitudes do, at times, quietly prevail. UT itself is not very diverse for its size, and the University has long been grappling with admissions policies related to affirmative action.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/jensen10162006.html
Veiled racism is still racism sugar tits. And believe it or not, when it exists in the population, that percentage will be translated to the Universities.


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Besides the obvious need to point out failures in logic and geography...I'm trying to divert my attention away from the fact that my father in law is currently undergoing heart surgery.

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the problem is this. The kids with the rich parents get the better educations and they have a better chance.

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Life isnt fair

However, let's stop acting like the majority of people who want to get into college and can't, minorities included, are dirt poor and didnt get into college simply due to a lack of lower level education opportunities. Many individuals like that never have aspirations of even graduating high school, let alone going to college. They come from families and backgrounds that don't value education and in turn don't value education themselves.

The fact of the matter is, some of us were just born to flip burgers

As for the individuals who really want to go to college and simply didnt get a fair shake, well, sorry. Yeah, it's sad and unfortunate and sucks for them, but we can't go screwing around with the education system in the name of an incredibly small percentage of the population.Nobody weeps for the suburban, middle class white kid who gets turned down in favor of a less qualified minority, but everytime someone suggests we do away with this affirmative action system it's "racist".

Again though, it's not the norm that a broke kid form the inner city busts his ass to try and get into college and can't. If you're bright enough to go to college and apply yourself, you have a pretty good chance of getting into school regardless of your background. Some may have to work harder than others, but again, life's not fair. And don't get me wrong, I think it's just as stupid that legacies with rich parents are able to buy their way into college

Lay out the applications, decide how many people you're going to let in, and then pick the most deserving prospects.

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BMED I just lost all respect for you. You aren't a representative of TAMU. My uncle was in charge of a certain department of the Vet School at TAMU and came from absolutely ZERO. Due to the financial crash in the late 80s my family lost everything. The education system in my home town had deteriorated so much that it was almost over taken by the State Master. Are you going to say I nor my Uncle never had any aspirations? Comments like that are proof as to why we need diversity. Not just ethnic diversity but all sorts of diversity. Generalized blanket statements like that prove your ignorance and sadden me that you ever made it into TAMU.



I agree that life is not fair. However, if you work hard you should be rewarded for your efforts. If Government is utilized properly the have nots get the opportunity to compete with the Haves. What you suggestion can evetually create a situation where only the haves get the opportunities to compete and the have nots toil in effort to support them. I dont believe in the government giving/supporting the have nots but i do believe that people willing to work and try deserve the opportunity to compete. A kid that is vadictorian of his school deserves the opportunity to try to compete on the next leve. If he or she fails, then it is no one's fault but their own. However, he or she should be rewarded for their hard work with the opportunity to continue to work hard.

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Here at the University of Texas, a statue of Jefferson Davis graces one of our quads

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Why is this racist? Jefferson Davis is a significant historical figure and, contrary to popular belief, slavery was NOT the biggest driving force behind the civil war. Economic differences/policies and states rights dwarfed slavery's significance. So what if he owned slaves? George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and many other founding fathers owned salves, but nobody gets upset when someone erects statues of them.

Hell, even Abraham Lincoln was "racist" by today's standards, he wanted to send them all back to Africa and out of his country. Again though, nobody gets upset when his statue goes up, and our first black president wishes to be compared to him.

Summary: If mor dumbass ****tards in this country paid attention in history class, we'd have far less verbal **** being flung around by ignorant race-baiters

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Why is this racist? Jefferson Davis is a significant historical figure and, contrary to popular belief, slavery was NOT the biggest driving force behind the civil war. Economic differences/policies and states rights dwarfed slavery's significance. So what if he owned slaves? George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and many other founding fathers owned salves, but nobody gets upset when someone erects statues of them.

Hell, even Abraham Lincoln was "racist" by today's standards, he wanted to send them all back to Africa and out of his country. Again though, nobody gets upset when his statue goes up, and our first black president wishes to be compared to him.

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