Why the Hate for T-Shirt Fans?

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Humorous Username
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It's even worse with college sports because those of us who have an affiliation with a university have to hear you talk smack every time "your" team wins. It has to be particularly irritating for A&M students and alumni. They have a deep rivalry with Texas. When you work hard to earn a degree from a top-tier university and support a team to the death, only to have a 50 year old janitor with no university affiliation tell you that your team sucks and "his" longhorns are amazing, it has to get under your skin.



I agree with this so much it hurts.
Harry Stone
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since he's a welcher...yes
AG @ HEART
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ok i'm from bryan and grew up on aggies, am 23 but went to Sam for CJ and have had A&M season tix for four years and certain individual games before that that i paid for with my high school job money am i stupid of a true fan?

because it seems to be that to some your stupid for loving a team that you share the same common values in and grew up on and have never left even in bad times.

i love the holier than art attitude some throw out just like ring tapping on a glass so people wil look at it as to say "oh yea i'm better than you"

and no i'm not an obnoxius fan that gets into peoples faces when their team loses b/c i know how it feels when the team you want to succeed so badly loses and you feel like crap the next day.

excpt when they do it to me first

rant over





[This message has been edited by AG @ HEART (edited 7/9/2009 8:00p).]
l-horndev
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I have mixed feelings on t-shirt fans. Everybody has them, and for a variety of reasons (family, proximity, etc.).
However, I agree with those that say that t-shirt fans should NOT talk excessive smack to actual alumni. Good-natured talk is fine, but don't cross that line.

Disagree as you may, but I think you develop a certain respect by going through four (or five or more) years at a certain university that you can relate to your rivals. I had plenty of friends that went to A&M. We had similar experiences in our classes, as well as socially, but also in following our teams.
I could talk about needing to camp out three days early in 110 degree weather, or sometimes, freezing temps, just to have a chance at football tickets. I could talk about getting to the FEC four hours early to be first in line to get choice student seating. I could talk about renting the U-Haul at 8 a.m. to get a prime spot along the right-field fence for baseball games. All my Aggie friends (as well as many friends from other schools) could relate because they did the same thing. You can develop a mutual respect knowing they share the same love of their school that you do of yours.
With t-shirt fans, they did not go through these kind of things, and as much as they talk smack when things are going well, they are the first to jump ship when they are not.
I know this is a very simplistic example.
jbownds89
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What the hell is wrong with you people? I wear t-shirts all the time. What, do you people walk around shirtless?
Yersinia pestis
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dammit bownds. Puns aren't your thing
jbownds89
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GD I will gain your respect one day Pestis.

Whether you like it or not.

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Saxsoon
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I think it is fine as long as they don't delude themselves into thinking they are on the same level as a former student, or in our case, and Aggie.
Yersinia pestis
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i HAVE NO SON!!
4Horns@
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Just so I understand, as a Texas alum I can talk smack to other schools' alums and t-shirt fans, but only the alums can respond with smack of their own.
Yersinia pestis
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yes, you ghey buttfhucking queer nutless cow mascot loving freak
Dallasag02
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and no i'm not an obnoxius fan that gets into peoples faces when their team loses b/c i know how it feels when the team you want to succeed so badly loses and you feel like crap the next day.


Then you're fine.
Tmoneyag99
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It's one thing to be a fan of a school's football team where you attended.

It's altogether another thing to be a fan of a school you never attended AND talk crap to individuals who DID attend your competitor's school.

We got it, you weren't good enough or were just too lazy to try a decent school. Dont talk **** to someone who did. THAT's the problem with t-shirt fans.
4Horns@
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Thank you, Pestis...you male cheerleader loving, dead dog worshipping sack of horsechit.
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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Ich liebe die Texas Aggies! Abschied von der Orange und den weißen.
53
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Good. Then the majority of "aggie" posters on here can't say a damn thing to me
spankytoes
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This is a topic that interests me.

I graduated from UT in '02 and have a lot of friends that are diehard orangebloods despite never attending the school. I also have several friends that went to Austin College, SHSU and U of H that are very loyal to the aggies. (Let's face it, you have to be pretty obsessed to be a "t-shirt" aggie fan these days) On average, I'd say that both camps spend twice as much as I do on donations, fundraisers and attending sporting events.

And I think that this is what it boils down to. Teams NEED t-shirt fans to sustain their programs. Their money spends just as well as the alumni's. I don't fully agree with the NFL comparison, but it does hold some merit. If you grew up in Austin, but you dad grew up in Chicago, I don't see anything wrong with you being a Bear's fan. Austin has no NFL team and you aren't bound to choose between the Cowboys and Oilers/Texans. I also see nothing wrong with you cheering for the Cowboys instead of the Oilers/Texans despite the fact that you are 3 hours away from both cities. On the same note, the Cowboys are the most popular NFL team in the world. They haven't won anything in over a decade, the Pats accomplished 3 Bowls in 4 years too and the Steelers eclipsed the number of SB wins. Yet they still outsell other teams in merchandise without breaking a sweat.

The claim that people switch programs based on success is pretty far fetched. I cant think of a single person I know that displayed loyalty to Texas and sported sooner gear during their 5-year run. Teams provide an identity to those that seek it. For some, the better your team is the more vocal you are in supporting them. For a small minority, their fandom is for sale to the highest bidder. And that's fine too. It's the difference between being married and enjoying the single life with nothing to tie you down. The vast majority of people get married to the Horns, for better or for worse. Luckily, the honeymoon isn't over for us yet.

What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that some display about the existence of t-shirt fans...namely aggies. I grew up in the 90's and you would be hard pressed to find a Walmart that didn't have twice as much aggie gear than they did Longhorn. (Trust me, I have a closet full of aggie shirts somewhere) The reason? It was a decade of a&m dominance in the state of Texas. Hell, even my high school mascot was modeled after a&m's sarge. Had I not chased some tail to Austin, I would have ended up on the other side of the fence.
Maroon Dawn
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T-shirt Fan:

A non degree holding fan of a university and their sports team who supports said institutions through thick and thin, good times and bad. They are just as loyal and supportive as (and sometimes even more so than) actual degree holding graduates of that school.

Bandwagon Fan:

A non degree holding fan of a university's sports team only. Fairweather fans who only support said team if they are winning but will quickly dissapear if they hit a rough patch. Can and will switch allegiances to other teams so as to always be associated with a winner.




Give me more T-shirt fans anyday. Death to bandwagonners.

Mr. Drummond
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If in your daily life you are talking crap to other school's fans (be they alumni or t-shirts) about a game, then you probably should reevaluate your life.

And I know some of you Ags are young but from 85-95 there were bunches of t-shirt Ags - I doubt your athletic department accountants were as negative towards them as some of you.
David_Puddy
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There’s absolutely nothing wrong with T-shirt fans, as some of which contribute a lot to the respective school in various forms of support (financial donations, information dissemination, volunteering opportunities, athletic attendance, etc). The problem is, many t-shirt fans are not good ambassadors of the schools they root for. I’m admittedly a pretty big t-shirt Gator fan. I love Gainesville and have always had a fantastic time there while attending Gator sporting events. I’ve never talked down to a FSU fan though (t-shirt or alumnus), never posted on the forums of a Gator rival (FSU, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, etc). By nature I’m not a trash talker, but even if I was I don’t feel that I have earned the right to infringe on the legitimate rivalry between Florida and those that graduated from other SEC or Florida based institutions.

I dislike the t-shirt fans that are rude, ignorant, or speak down to Texas A&M fans in hopes of gaining rapport with alumni of A&M rivals (Texas Tech, UT, etc). I guess it just seems weird to be told “A&M sucks” by some guy in his 20s that’s pushing carts in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Even worse, some kid with an Associate’s in Art History from ACC telling “Stupid Aggie Jokes” or using terminology such as “fake army” or “gomers”. I’m polite enough not to call them out or question what warrants them to think they’re in a position to question traditions, sport’s progress, etc.


ding ding ding
AGSPORTSFAN07
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And I know some of you Ags are young but from 85-95 there were bunches of t-shirt Ags - I doubt your athletic department accountants were as negative towards them as some of you.



Yeah, but at least they could speak English!!!!
Tmoneyag99
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53 if there's an Ag Tag we can say anything we damn well please.

you may want to keep that in mind.
13 0 Branding Iron
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Written by me from another thread:
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this isn't pro sports. We are affiliated with our institutions.

Clowns off the street that were never accepted are not.

Qualifier: I consider any person who was accepted into either Texas A&M or Texas and who attended classes, even if just for one semester, to be a longhorn or Aggie and part of the brotherhood who can razz each other about this or that.

What amazes me, however, is that there are some seemingly rational persons (that is, they graduated from college somewhere, Sam State, SWT, or wherever) and are not complete boobs but who will, on GAMEDAY, act like they are an alumni of your school (maybe that happens to you from our guys, I don't know).

For instance, I was at Northgate drinking some pregame drinks before heading over to the West Suites when my dad still had one, for the Notre Dame game at Kyle.

There at the table with some friends of mine was a guy, not a bad guy, but a guy a sort of knew and did not dislike. I said something like "Well here goes, ass kicking starts in twenty minutes" or something off the wall and he made some sort of guffaw noise or something; of course I immediately star at him (I was two feet away) and said "what do you mean by that?"

He said "I'm not an Aggie fan; I hope Notre Dame wins."

I first thought WTF are you doing here" but then again gamedays are fun at a lot of places and maybe he just wanted to watch some football.

"I said well who's your team?" And he PROUDLY and EMPHATICALLY gives me the horns sign with a big smile.

I kind of shake my head and said "Oh really; I didn't know that about you; when did you go to UT?"

His answer, with kind of a lowered voice and downcast eyes: "I didn't."

Me: "Well, where did you go then?"

Him: Now kind of embarrassed "Sam Houston State". I just shook my head at him, then asked "who are they playing today?"

"Uh, I don't know...."

I said "Well Beerkat, give me a call when your almamater improves on it's .000 winning percentage v. mine" and just walked away laughing.

I'm sorry, but teeshirts from schools with no tradition, no wins v. my school and nothing but a puke orange cap and a penchant for buggery are not permitted to give me any crap whatsoever as a "longhorn fan". I usually get pretty sarcastic about it to and say things like "Why didn't you go there? Couldn't qualify? That's pathetic. I qualified for there, so I guess you're just not that smart, are you Dr. Hawking?"

LoneStarFree
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I'm a t-shirt Aggie. There is no shortage of t-shirt horns, bears, raiders, etc... for me to talk smack to. I have no need to talk **** to someone that actually went there. Truth is, I don't really talk **** at all. I think I represent the team I support...with class. I also feel no need for validation when it comes to the team I support.
UT2005
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We horns could do with more like you. We have complete morons like ribby moling-up our reputation.
Obi Wan Ginobili
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you managed to mistake a dorm room for a community college.
UT2005
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You went to a community college in huntsville. Why your hate for UT grads? I thought you were a loyal t-shirt.
Obi Wan Ginobili
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a) you're not an alum

b) you know nothing about the school you cheer for/ defend. maybe try a little research or something, anything, before you showcase what a complete and utter tool you are. it doesn't help your case when you say such stupid **** as you do
suck it trebek
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I would bet certain t-shirt fans of A&M are and would be better Aggies than those that graduate with degrees. A fan is a fan. I'll take any one that's a true fan of A&M and knows traditions. People that graduate with a ring but never stand with other Aggies at a silver taps don't deserve the ring.
5 4
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TMoney will not like that post at all.
goodAg80
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Our t-shirt fans are intelligent, tough-minded, independent upstanding citizens. All others are knuckle-dragging low-lifes (or mime school hair-dressers) riding the coattails of schools they have nothing to do with.
Tmoneyag99
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I'll take any one that's a true fan of A&M and knows traditions.


How often do you see this though? People that never went to TAMU that know ALL of the traditions of TAMU and the stories behind them.

To quote a friend of mine "Responsibility to an Aggie is Staying up all night to pull tickets and still making your 8am class"

While I dont begrudge a t-shirt fan his loyalties He/she never stayed up all night at the "C" studying for a physics exam and had to fight for a seat at the libraries, coffee shops, and any other place in College Station for a place to study during finals. They never yelled at the extremist preacher for standing on the Grass at the MSC.

Many of them never worked on the Big Event.

They never heard their professor drill into their heads "Aggies Do not Lie cheat or steal..."

Most t-shirt fans have never put pennies on Sully's boots in hopes that you would really get the luck you needed.

Most t-shirts have never walked the tunnels at TAMU and seen the graffiti of the Aggies from long ago.

Most T-shirts have never walked across campus and said howdy and felt the connection to 100k+ other Aggies in that one simple word.

You see there's a comradery about being an Aggie that goes far beyond the traditions.

There is a large difference between knowing and living it. My family has been going to TAMU since 1913 and I'm the first woman. All of them in the Corps of Cadets. Never in all of my years prior to attending classes at TAMU had I been more of an Aggie than someone who had gone to school here.

From the outside looking in you cant understand it (though some try and we thank them for that) and from the inside looking out you cant explain it.

One thing people should know is that there is more to being an Aggie than Football, baseball, and Basketball. A whole hell of a lot more.

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You see there's a comradery about being an Aggie that goes far beyond the traditions


Wouldn't you think that an Aggie "t-shirt" would understand that as much or more than anyone?

Coming from an Aggie family, I've seen the Aggie family up close and personal for over 40 years and I've never even enrolled at Texas A&M. However, I HAVE spent many, many hours with Aggie family friends who have served from Battan to Baghdad and to a man, they have shown me what it means to be an Aggie. These men fought for their ****ing country and University, not for some "library or coffee shop seat".

Their character, humility, and honor is Aggie not some ****ing "graffiti tunnels".

So, preach it somewhere else, sister.
Tmoneyag99
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Edit: Forget this I'm not getting into this argument.

There is a difference between hearing the stories and living the stories. Absolutely NO tshirt has the right to say who is more/less Aggie.


That is all that needs to be said. If you have a problem with that I am sorry.




[This message has been edited by Tmoneyag99 (edited 7/12/2009 9:40p).]
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