I agree as well that the teams were not making reactionary moves, but moves in order to help their own team. I was just countering a point that the media was saying all the moves were made becuase of the Spurs.

okay, OO and spurs fans, i just wanted to apologize because i felt like getting on here and picking an e-fight with someone. I'm sorry, I was bored and wanted to spew some hate. In truth I really like watching the spurs because I actually like their players and the way they play the game.

I will concede this point, i was extremely impressed how SA beat the suns, so much so that they probably should be the favorites. However, the lakers still do have kobe bryant and he's flat out unstoppable. At the time the gasol trade was made, the lakers were the favorites, they may not be now because of how the spurs beat the suns and how the lakers don't have bynum back, but at the time they were seen as the favorites.

There's an overabundance of classy & savvy Mavericks fans on this thread. It's cool to disagree in a non-paranoid fashion.

Since the Gasol trade, the Lakers are 32-9 including the playoffs, the Spurs are 31-11, with Spurs having a much tougher schedule & tougher first round opponent. Gasol was injured for some of those games, but Parker was injured & Ginobili missed games during this time as well, so that's no excuse.

The Spurs are the defending champs. The Lakers have 2 players on their squad that have any kind of playoff experience. The Spurs have an entire roster.

The Spurs have 3 All Stars, the Lakers have 2. Duncan, Thomas, Oberto are better & much better defensively than Gasol, Turiaf, Odom. Throw in Bynum and it's probably a wash offensively, but the Spurs still have an edge defensively. Bynum gets more hype for being a decent player than any player in the league. You'd think he was a HOF lock the way people insert him into Laker conversations.

Ginobili & Parker together at least match Kobe. With Barry back, the Spurs also are better from beyond the arc.

And again, outside of Kobe & Fischer, none of the other players have any clue what deep playoff runs take.

So yeah, the Lakers seem to clearly be the team to beat.

Can't really agree with you about Duncan, Oberto, and Thomas being as good on the offensive end as Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Turiaf.

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Some day somebody is going to have to explain to me why anyone would think a Spurs fan would be jealous. I thank God every time I watch a Spurs game, that I am a fan of a dominant, time-tested championship-caliber dynasty, with stars that can be counted on to not embarrass their fans off the court. Why in the world would I be jealous of any other NBA fan???

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Ditto for me.

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Can't really agree with you about Duncan, Oberto, and Thomas being as good on the offensive end as Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Turiaf.

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When ANY of those guys score 40 in a playoff game like Duncan can & has many times, then you may have a point. Hell, none of them have scored more than 28 in a playoff game and Gasol's high against Duncan was 22 when they played. I included Odom to make it more even. He really doesn't operate in the paint much offensively.

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I agree individually Duncan would be better offensively than any of those guys, but it sounded liek you were lumping them in as a group which is where I would disagree.

Didn't Gasol drop 36 in game 1 against the Nuggets?

I did lump them in as a group. As far as scoring inside Duncan, Thomas & Oberto can match the Lakers w/all 4, or at least it will be close. Again, defensively, the Spurs are better no matter who the Lakers have to play with.

Yeah, he did, I was looking at his past playoff experience including his head to head w/Duncan.

The point is Tim has had a lot of huge games in the playoffs and he can score when he wants against Gasol. Gasol is very good, but the Spurs inside game is better w/out Bynum & at least a wash w/him.

Unless you want to including Mythical Bynum which he seems to be these days. In that case the Spurs have no chance.

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At the time the gasol trade was made, the lakers were the favorites, they may not be now because of how the spurs beat the suns and how the lakers don't have bynum back, but at the time they were seen as the favorites.

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my quote.

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So yeah, the Lakers seem to clearly be the team to beat

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your quote. You don't seem to read very well.

one more thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8poXQmSxw

I concede that manu didn't play, but at the very least it's still a 21 pt victory.

Yeah, that game probably wouldn't have been much different if Manu would have played, especially considering that it was tied at half.

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just to make a small point, the mav's trade for kidd wasn't to beat san antonio, we did that two years ago, it was to beat the lakers with gasol. say what you will, the lakers are the team to beat.

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Your FIRST quote before you backpedaled a bit.

That game was tight until the mid 3rd and Pop pulled everyone in the 4th, so the 21 is rather meaningless, just like Game 4 in PHX. The Spurs tend to lose big in games like that because Pop doesn't care.

The Spurs hung w/a healthy Bynum & Kobe team earlier this year without Duncan & Parker playing.

The Spurs are a bad matchup for the Lakers and they know that. Experience, star power & versatility. The Lakers are going to be big NO fans in the 2nd round.

So far in the playoffs Duncan, Oberto, and Thomas are a wash with Odom, Turiaf, and Gasol in points. The reason I would consider the Lakers crew better offensively is the is their assists total.

okay, you're right. what i meant to say was that at the time of the trade the lakers were the team to beat, i still think they are, but not so clearly now because of how SA beat the suns.
EITHER way, it's gonna be a great series if both teams make it to the finals

Dominant, time tested dynasty?

The Spurs are not the Celtics or the Lakers.

Come back when the number of trophies hits double digits.

They may not have as many rings but it's hard to argue with only one losing season in the last 19 years. Probably no more than 6 in the past 35 years. I think you would be hard pressed to find a more successful franchise in that time period. Championships are nice, but having 20 years strait of winning basketball must be a pretty good feeling. Think about not having to experience the feeling of your team sucking for 20 years strait. You can't ask for much more than that, especially when you can throw 4 championships into the mix as well.

Ag97

Of course I looked at LA's record after I posted that about the Spurs and their record in that time period is almost as good for winning years and they have more rings. I guess one would have to put the Lakers on top of the Spurs in the aspect that they do hold the edge in Championships. I didn't realize that the Lakers were still putting up winning records the past 15 years as much as what they were. You hear so much complaining from their fans when they don't win a championship I just assumed some of those years between championship runs had the occasional losing season.

The Spurs are definitely not the Lakers or Celtics. But after that, they're right in the mix.

Boom. Headshot.

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lol, one game sure debunks this. what a loser.

I'll be here at the end of the series too princess

This thread = bad karma for your team; post it once you've finally won two in a row, not when you still have to face N.O., Lakers/Jazz winner, and Pistons/Celtics winner

Congrats...your team owned Phoenix...but they still have a lot of work to do

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me too

Poor Meltdown Muy. Too ashamed to show his face, so he posts under a sock.

I'm sorry look out below, obviously you have a lot of time on your hands to talk schit about other teams, is that because your team is already out?

I'd say 10 years of winning 70% of your games and 4 championships kind of solidifies your position in the NBA. Considering that the Spurs are winning at a better clip than any other professional sports team in the past 10 years, it hardly matters.

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please read in between the lines. This statement means that yes, the suns were thinking about duncan when they got shaq, i concede that, BUT they were really thinking about kobe and gasol, the now number 1 seed and west conf favorites.

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I like how you know what everyone is REALLY thinking.

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and spurs fans, we get it, jealousy is like your schtick.

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Irony, thy name is FTAggies.

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However, to the majority of america, your team is boring

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translation: "I have heard this repoted by some sportswriters enough times that I will assume it equals truth, and once again, use a generality to report how everyone else thinks."

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maybe not to y'all because it's effective

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Acknowledged generalization: You cannot honestly name one team that would not trade everything flashy about their team for what the Spurs have accomplished this decade. Unless I am wrong, it's about winning.

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Most people would rather have the lakers/suns from the west in the nba finals

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Thank you, Carnac the Magnificent Mind Reader.

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Everybody else is laughing at Spurs fans.

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fify!

I sent the club a wire stating, Please accept my resignation. I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.
GM

Wow!

Gee, congrats on your one sport san antonio.....

Congrats on embarrassing the state of Texas yet again with your choking, soft basketball team, dave.

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the lakers are the team to beat. -FTAggies

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uhm, the series between the Lakers and the Spurs is tied 2-2...

In one of those losses, the Spurs didn't have Duncan or Parker, and in the other loss, the Spurs didn't have Ginobili.


do your research before making stupid comments...

Did anyone really expect Dallas to go far this post season after the roller coaster regular season they had???? I mean, come on, they barelly even made it INTO the playoffs....

Now, last years team yeah.....Choke major league...Must have taken a page out of the Houston Sports manual...