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Why do Texas suburbs become ghetto after 20-30 years?

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The only people who find this lively and frank discussion "dumb" and "comical" are snowflakes, leftists, and people who don't like hearing the hard, unadulterated truth.

Don't like it? Go back to watching CNN.
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I disagree. There is nothing lively and frank about turning a potentially real economics and human psychology discussion into racial bias and protecting your precious suburb.
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It's not racial bias if data leaves no doubt said races/incomes consistently bring undesirable outcomes for communities. Just because leftists love living in crime ridden cesspools with poor schools, idolizing and pedestalizing violent criminals, doesn't mean that the rest of us have to.

There is nothing shameful or offensive about wanting to protect our communities from destructive leftist policies (and people). The fact that you are even suggesting there is just proves that you and people who think like you are a lost cause.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah…
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500,000ags said:

protecting your precious suburb.
The disdain you show for folks worrying about losing the value of one of their largest assets really shows in that statement. Must be nice not to have that as a concern.
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We all have that worry. I have it too. But, there is no light OP is shedding on this. He wants his suburb to not welcome poor minorities. I think it's absolutely insane and pretty funny.

Poor people get priced out of inner cities. They move to suburbs. Rich people start suburbs, and some move to the next suburb when poor people start moving in too much. It's not racial. It's economic and human behavior, which is why it's such a recognizable pattern. Poor people have to exist somewhere.
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500,000ags said:

Poor people have to exist somewhere.
poor people are just as bright and talented as white people. They just need the drive.
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126233 said:

It's not racial bias if data leaves no doubt said races/incomes consistently bring undesirable outcomes for communities. Just because leftists love living in crime ridden cesspools with poor schools, idolizing and pedestalizing violent criminals, doesn't mean that the rest of us have to.

There is nothing shameful or offensive about wanting to protect our communities from destructive leftist policies (and people). The fact that you are even suggesting there is just proves that you and people who think like you are a lost cause.
I like the attempt, but miserable liberals like that guy evaluate everything through a racist lens in an attempt to parse words to identify subconscious "inherent racism" and dehumanize the opposition by calling them racist. They use the NPC programming from party leaders.

Remember, seeking to understand how a home and area keeps value is inherently racist. Proper maintenance and upkeep of the largest single investment of your life and maintaining quality surroundings with people that care about their home, their neighbors and the community is inherently racist. One day you will understand that this way of thinking is racist, and you will own nothing and like.
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62strat said:

500,000ags said:

Poor people have to exist somewhere.
poor people are just as bright and talented as white people. They just need the drive.
And poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
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jja79 said:

62strat said:

500,000ags said:

Poor people have to exist somewhere.
poor people are just as bright and talented as white people. They just need the drive.
And poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
Finally something our Biden follower friends can agree on!
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Differentiating between poor people and white people is what unites us.
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What's interesting is that the "progressive" sentiments expressed by our liberal friends here are representative of how most liberals feel about this issue.

An expressed desire to keep suburbs free of apartments and poors will get you downvoted into oblivion, called any number of epithets, and shunned, as I've found out first hand on Reddit's Dallas sub-forum and City-Data's Dallas forum.

Now, normally this wouldn't be a problem, except liberals are proliferating at record speed all across Texas, infesting even our rural communities. Almost ten million illegals (probably more), have crossed our southern border since Biden took office. Meanwhile, younger generations, and even my own generation (Millennial), are largely woke, brainwashed to hate white people, and sympathetic to criminals. The future doesn't look very bright.

If Texas flips blue, which could happen in the not so distant future, forget it. Just look at how narrowly Trump won once solidly red suburban counties in 2020, versus the overwhelming red support these suburban counties showed ten or twenty years ago. As suburbs "diversify", they become less conservative, and this could be the impetus that eventually flips the entire state blue.

If Democrats ever gain control of Texas, the state will eventually resemble the rotting pit of depravity that is California, New York, and Illinois. And the suburbs won't fare much better.
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I would suggest you are on the wrong forum. Please visit Forum 16. It more your style.
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This guy comes on here saying race-race-race and I am seeing things thru a race-first lens? This is too good.
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SteveBott said:

I would suggest you are on the wrong forum. Please visit Forum 16. It more your style.
You called the guy racist on page 1. How was that appropriate if you weren't willing to entertain the derail that followed?
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Reread my post. I said…

"Hard to not think the OP is a troll or a racist or Both. But I will assume otherwise for now."

I did not call him a racist but I had my suspicions. I think he pretty much confirmed that afterwards.
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SteveBott said:

Reread my post. I said…

"Hard to not think the OP is a troll or a racist or Both. But I will assume otherwise for now."

I did not call him a racist but I had my suspicions. I think he pretty much confirmed that afterwards.
Your comment was unnecessary, especially with the hedge you built in that you clearly didn't mean, which led to the defensiveness and derail that followed. And now you are definitely calling him racist while telling everyone who disagrees to go to the politics board. If you don't like the way this thread turned out, you could have easily avoided all of this with your first post, but you just couldn't help yourself.
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Typical. You can't refute a single fact in this thread, which run antithetical to your ingrained delusions on the wonders of diversity. All you have left is to resort to the tired and ad hominem attack of branding me a racist.

I'm not a racist, but I am a realist. I also am rightfully pissed about what happened to Plano, my beautiful hometown, and what I see happening to other once beautiful suburbs in this great state.

And it seems because most people, including our elected officials, are too scared to have this conversation and propose viable solutions, that it is reasonable to expect that this trend of disposable, decaying suburbs will continue in well into future.
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Let's peel back this onion. Since your stats are irrefutable. What do you think is the root cause that more minorities result in this great suburban decay?
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126233 said:

If Democrats ever gain control of Texas, the state will eventually resemble the rotting pit of depravity that is California, New York, and Illinois. And the suburbs won't fare much better.


Wait… but you actually said in your first post that you've never seen the pattern of 'disposable' suburbs outside of Texas.
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SteveBott said:

I would suggest you are on the wrong forum. Please visit Forum 16. It more your style.
Again, you offer nothing but lazy takes....
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i can't believe this thread made it four pages.


"ghetto" is the problem here. many posters take this to mean a crime ridden cesspool ... others take it to mean 'place with few white people.



Texas suburban areas are not for me. I can safely say this b/c i live in one and would rather be elsewhere.


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It's so ridiculous and hilarious, it should never get taken down.
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BoDog said:

SteveBott said:

I would suggest you are on the wrong forum. Please visit Forum 16. It more your style.
Again, you offer nothing but lazy takes....
I am not sure it is even the "ghetto". It is really just focusing on white flight. If it was purely a rant on apartment buildings or some objective measure I think it would be fine.

Again, there are several non white groups who are significantly wealthier than the white population. I also would not want to live by a trailer park, full of while people or not
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Dr T and the Women said:

BoDog said:

SteveBott said:

I would suggest you are on the wrong forum. Please visit Forum 16. It more your style.
Again, you offer nothing but lazy takes....
I am not sure it is even the "ghetto". It is really just focusing on white flight. If it was purely a rant on apartment buildings or some objective measure I think it would be fine.

Again, there are several non white groups who are significantly wealthier than the white population. I also would not want to live by a trailer park, full of while people or not
as someone already said.. call it classism.

It's not about race, it's about class.. not only social class, but having class!

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100% correct, and no matter the economic system, classism is prevalent and there is not much anyone can do about it.

Plano is home to the OP, but to a lot of his wealthy and/or white brethren (sorry, couldn't help myself) it was a shiny new place. They chose or actually moved on to the next stop when a better option came along. That's why this should be an interesting discussion, where is balance lost that causes changes in migration patterns.

My assumption is it's nowhere near politics or race, it is economics. People comprise a community, then property values go up, property taxes go up, cost of living goes up, and the once affordable and growing is no longer growing. People are so inherently attracted to growth, everything else is decay, and that decay is for the second class.
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Over the last 30 years, the state has gone from 59% white to 39% white. It's not hard to understand that suburbs will reflect that. Just because a burb isn't 90% white doesn't mean it's "going downhill".

To speak a little on the Woodlands since it's been brought up a few times. It was established in 1974. It's celebrating year 50. It kind of kills the OPs idea of "all" suburbs. Even if you say the Woodlands didn't really boom until the 90s, it's been 30 years and it's still extremely highly sought after. #1 city to buy a house, #2 city to raise a family, #3 city to live in, #6 city for public schools, #7 city to retire, etc per Niche. The average household income is 182k which is the top 15% in the US. Crime is still extremely low compared to the rest of Texas. Home values in the Woodlands still top other suburbs (looked at SL, Katy, Bridgeland, Seabrook, Pearland, Kingwood) by around 70-200k on avg. this past year. Seems pretty clear Woodlands has kind of been the exception to the rule unless demographics is your only indicator.
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Woodlands is also in one of the deepest red counties in America with very high median HH incomes. It's a very conservative area. You could never, and still cant compare it to your mom and pop suburb. It's an outlier. So it shouldn't be included in the dataset. I think OP probably looks at the Woodlands as how a suburb should be set up and run long term. But it's simply not viable for every suburb 45 minutes away from a metro to be 100k+ MHH. Just not possible.
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You tell me. Although I have a feeling your explanation will be "racism".
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Farmer1906 said:

Over the last 30 years, the state has gone from 59% white to 39% white. It's not hard to understand that suburbs will reflect that. Just because a burb isn't 90% white doesn't mean it's "going downhill".



You're right, Texas is no longer majority white, and white people will comprise smaller and smaller percentages of the population here and across the country as time passes.

However, this demographic change doesn't come without a cost. Broadly speaking, if it means more black or Hispanic households in formerly majority white neighborhoods, expect declining educational and socioeconomic outcomes. To suggest otherwise would be putting ideology over objective facts. By no means am I suggesting that every black or Hispanic individual or family moving into a neighborhood will cause decline, but it's indisputable at this point that these two groups, in large numbers, erode neighborhood quality of life indicators. It's not the PC answer of course, but it's the truth, and if you dispute it, I'd love to see evidence to the contrary.

Which is to say that generally speaking, an influx of Indian/East Asian households generally do not cause these sorts of issues.

Farmer1906 said:

To speak a little on the Woodlands since it's been brought up a few times. It was established in 1974. It's celebrating year 50. It kind of kills the OPs idea of "all" suburbs. Even if you say the Woodlands didn't really boom until the 90s, it's been 30 years and it's still extremely highly sought after. #1 city to buy a house, #2 city to raise a family, #3 city to live in, #6 city for public schools, #7 city to retire, etc per Niche. The average household income is 182k which is the top 15% in the US. Crime is still extremely low compared to the rest of Texas. Home values in the Woodlands still top other suburbs (looked at SL, Katy, Bridgeland, Seabrook, Pearland, Kingwood) by around 70-200k on avg. this past year. Seems pretty clear Woodlands has kind of been the exception to the rule unless demographics is your only indicator.


It's still too early to tell whether or not The Woodlands has long term staying power. The Woodlands High School is already 28% economically disadvantaged and about 27% of households are renters, according to Point2Homes. Median household income in The Woodlands has actually fallen in inflation adjusted terms since 2000, when it was $85k ($155k in 2024) according to Movoto, versus $130,000 today. And at 65%, The Woodlands' white population has decreased dramatically since 2000, when it was over 92% white. To me, these trends look eerily similar to Plano's trajectory 15 years ago. The continued desirability of the Woodlands hinges on whether or not residents resist more apartments and high density housing.

Sources:
https://www.movoto.com/guide/houston-tx/the-woodlands-tx-life-in-the-forest/

https://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/TX/Montgomery-County/The-Woodlands-Demographics.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodlands,_Texas#:~:text=In%202000%2C%20there%20were%2055%2C649,(346.6%2Fkm2).


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Interesting, and concerning. I don't know where they would put multi residential, and Hughes has a pretty tight grip on the development. There have been some multi residential over the years, no doubt. And quite a bit newer in areas near The Woodlands CBD (Hughes Landing, Waterway). It's certainly happening.
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Just stop.Woodlands is about 10% economically disadvantaged. Anyone that has any knowledge of the area would know this, but please continue to spout nonsense that fits your narrative.
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I stand corrected. You're right, The Woodlands High School is just under 10% economically disadvantaged. Source: https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/conroe-isd/the-woodlands-high-school/

Woodlands College Park Highschool is 23% economically disadvantaged. Source: https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/conroe-isd/college-park-high-school/



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126233 said:

You know you're winning an argument with a leftist when they call you racist. Accusations of racism from the left have become so commonplace that the word has lost all meaning and credibility at this point.

truism

Noun tru- i-zem
: an undoubted or self-evident truth

especially : one too obvious for mention

Liberal's Thesaurus: see racism
 
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