Chase S. Reserve v/ Amex Plat

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Diggity said:

I use the card that gives me the best return for the spend, which is usually RH or CSR. I only use Amex for travel related spend as the Platinum has crappy points for the most part.

There are certainly some nebulous perks on these cards (Peloton, Oura Ring, Equinox, etc.) but I've found plenty of value in the $300-400 restaurant perks, travel, entertainment, Uber credits, etc.

You're correct that it's not a slam dunk for everyone, but I enjoy the challenge of extracting as much value as possible. I was ready to go down to one card when they both increased their fees, but decided to churn the CSR one more time by signing up my wife.

A good example was the recent $359 Whoop credit. The deal was designed to get members to buy a Whoop band for "free" but have to pay a yearly fee for the service. Reddit folks figured out quickly you could use the credit for apparel as well. Now would I have paid $360 for a bunch of jogging shorts and boxers? no...but getting them for nothing is a nice way to extract value. I would probably value that at $100 rather than $359, but it helps to chip away at that AF.


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My plan has taken a hit. I was going to transfer points out from Sapphire Reserve to AA, but I can't do that with AA. Then I was going to just do straight cash back to my bank account. Won't be able to do that in time based on their change to the Cash Back plan tomorrow (see my other post).

I was then going to downgrade to Freedom Unlimited but jeeper says I will lose 33% of value on about 200k points I had prior to the October change so that sucks.

Was then going to upgrade my wife's AMEX Traditional to AMEX Gold which gets better points on dining and groceries than CSR anyway which is bulk of our spend. Travel still gets 3x vs 4x on CSR so not a huge loss. Net gains with AMEX Gold based on how we spend.
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YouBet said:

My plan has taken a hit. I was going to transfer points out from Sapphire Reserve to AA, but I can't do that with AA. Then I was going to just do straight cash back to my bank account. Won't be able to do that in time based on their change to the Cash Back plan tomorrow (see my other post).

I was then going to downgrade to Freedom Unlimited but jeeper says I will lose 33% of value on about 200k points I had prior to the October change so that sucks.

Was then going to upgrade my wife's AMEX Traditional to AMEX Gold which gets better points on dining and groceries than CSR anyway which is bulk of our spend. Travel still gets 3x vs 4x on CSR so not a huge loss. Net gains with AMEX Gold based on how we spend.

You can still transfer Chase points to United or Southwest. If you only want AA flights then you can transfer to British Airways or Iberia Plus, both are alliance partners with AA and you can book AA flights on their websites.

FYI, the best value is transferring to Hyatt. They have the best redemptions for hotels out of all the major hotel brands.
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Texag5324 said:

YouBet said:

My plan has taken a hit. I was going to transfer points out from Sapphire Reserve to AA, but I can't do that with AA. Then I was going to just do straight cash back to my bank account. Won't be able to do that in time based on their change to the Cash Back plan tomorrow (see my other post).

I was then going to downgrade to Freedom Unlimited but jeeper says I will lose 33% of value on about 200k points I had prior to the October change so that sucks.

Was then going to upgrade my wife's AMEX Traditional to AMEX Gold which gets better points on dining and groceries than CSR anyway which is bulk of our spend. Travel still gets 3x vs 4x on CSR so not a huge loss. Net gains with AMEX Gold based on how we spend.

You can still transfer Chase points to United or Southwest. If you only want AA flights then you can transfer to British Airways or Iberia Plus, both are alliance partners with AA and you can book AA flights on their websites.

FYI, the best value is transferring to Hyatt. They have the best redemptions for hotels out of all the major hotel brands.

Yeah, but AA is the best airline for us for where we are going to be. SWA is not a factor for us.

Noted on BA and Iberia.

Aware of the Hyatt deal although it sounds like it's going to lose some of it luster. I might just do that though. Never really stay at Hyatt but they do have some nice brands just like every other big hotel.

Running the math on this though I'm going to lose about $650 if downgrade cards without doing anything with the points, but that's cheaper than paying $1k to re-up.
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YouBet said:

Texag5324 said:

YouBet said:

My plan has taken a hit. I was going to transfer points out from Sapphire Reserve to AA, but I can't do that with AA. Then I was going to just do straight cash back to my bank account. Won't be able to do that in time based on their change to the Cash Back plan tomorrow (see my other post).

I was then going to downgrade to Freedom Unlimited but jeeper says I will lose 33% of value on about 200k points I had prior to the October change so that sucks.

Was then going to upgrade my wife's AMEX Traditional to AMEX Gold which gets better points on dining and groceries than CSR anyway which is bulk of our spend. Travel still gets 3x vs 4x on CSR so not a huge loss. Net gains with AMEX Gold based on how we spend.

You can still transfer Chase points to United or Southwest. If you only want AA flights then you can transfer to British Airways or Iberia Plus, both are alliance partners with AA and you can book AA flights on their websites.

FYI, the best value is transferring to Hyatt. They have the best redemptions for hotels out of all the major hotel brands.

Yeah, but AA is the best airline for us for where we are going to be. SWA is not a factor for us.

Noted on BA and Iberia.

Aware of the Hyatt deal although it sounds like it's going to lose some of it luster. I might just do that though. Never really stay at Hyatt but they do have some nice brands just like every other big hotel.

Running the math on this though I'm going to lose about $650 if downgrade cards without doing anything with the points, but that's cheaper than paying $1k to re-up.

Yea even with the recent Hyatt devaluation its still way cheaper to book with Hyatt points compared to Hilton or Marriott.
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Texag5324 said:

YouBet said:

Texag5324 said:

YouBet said:

My plan has taken a hit. I was going to transfer points out from Sapphire Reserve to AA, but I can't do that with AA. Then I was going to just do straight cash back to my bank account. Won't be able to do that in time based on their change to the Cash Back plan tomorrow (see my other post).

I was then going to downgrade to Freedom Unlimited but jeeper says I will lose 33% of value on about 200k points I had prior to the October change so that sucks.

Was then going to upgrade my wife's AMEX Traditional to AMEX Gold which gets better points on dining and groceries than CSR anyway which is bulk of our spend. Travel still gets 3x vs 4x on CSR so not a huge loss. Net gains with AMEX Gold based on how we spend.

You can still transfer Chase points to United or Southwest. If you only want AA flights then you can transfer to British Airways or Iberia Plus, both are alliance partners with AA and you can book AA flights on their websites.

FYI, the best value is transferring to Hyatt. They have the best redemptions for hotels out of all the major hotel brands.

Yeah, but AA is the best airline for us for where we are going to be. SWA is not a factor for us.

Noted on BA and Iberia.

Aware of the Hyatt deal although it sounds like it's going to lose some of it luster. I might just do that though. Never really stay at Hyatt but they do have some nice brands just like every other big hotel.

Running the math on this though I'm going to lose about $650 if downgrade cards without doing anything with the points, but that's cheaper than paying $1k to re-up.

Yea even with the recent Hyatt devaluation its still way cheaper to book with Hyatt points compared to Hilton or Marriott.

Well, I ended up just transferring to Marriott. I already had 100k points with them because I typically stay there when traveling on my own. So, I'll have enough points there to book a nice vacation at a high-end place and then I'll move on from this using AMEX Gold from here forward. Got tired of thinking about it so just pulled trigger on that.
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Has anybody applied for a Chase Ink business credit card without having a side business? Google Gemini said you could do it without a legitimate business and that it is common. Just put $0 for revenue, 0 years in business and a sole proprietorship because they use your personal income as far as the approval goes. It also said they wouldn't cancel the account or any other Chase credit card accounts because they found out there is no actual business. I really don't want to have my other accounts canceled and rewards forfeited because Gemini is wrong. If I can do it without issue, then I'll probably signup for the Ink preferred.
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khkman22 said:

Has anybody applied for a Chase Ink business credit card without having a side business? Google Gemini said you could do it without a legitimate business and that it is common. Just put $0 for revenue, 0 years in business and a sole proprietorship because they use your personal income as far as the approval goes. It also said they wouldn't cancel the account or any other Chase credit card accounts because they found out there is no actual business. I really don't want to have my other accounts canceled and rewards forfeited because Gemini is wrong. If I can do it without issue, then I'll probably signup for the Ink preferred.

Ive played the credit card churning game for over 10 years, have signed up for dozens of business cards, and never once have they asked me to verify my "business" (Im a W2 employee). As long as your income and credit score are high enough, thats all Chase or other card companies care about.

Technically, if youve ever sold anything on Ebay then that could qualify as a business, but Im telling you they do not care!
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I have the Schwab Platinum Card. Just realized that I booked a vacation (flights on UAL and FHR on Amex), and by transferring points to Schwab my 'cash back' into my Schwab account is 5.5%.

Illustrative math:
  • UAL Flights - $1000 x 5 MR Points per $ = 5,000 MR Points
  • Fine Hotels + Resorts - $1000 x 5 MR points per $ = 5,000 MR Points
  • 10,000 MR Points => Schwab @ $.011/point = $110
  • $110/$2000 spend = 5.5%
And, the adders pile up in the form of the $300 hotel credit + comp daily breakfast for 2, etc.
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I just booked a vacation and it's applicable to this thread. I have Amex Platinum and Sapphire Reserve so I compared hotel pricing between those two and hotel direct.

Amex had the property for the same cash price as direct, but it was in the Fine Hotels and Resorts so I would get the $300 statement credit, $100 property credit, plus all the other benefits, but the point redemption price was astronomic. The property was also in The Edit Collection on Chase, but the cash price was about 17% higher than Amex or direct and it didn't have the $250 statement credit, but was a "points boost" option that would have been +/- 350k points (significantly fewer points than Amex but still not a good deal.

Lastly, the property in question is a Hyatt flag so I could transfer Chase points and go that route which is what i ended up doing. 135k Chase points to Hyatt took care of the full cost, 60% fewer points than booking through the Chase portal. Hyatt's new awards chart hasn't started yet so I got better value now than I probably would in a couple months.

TLDR; Amex was best option to pay Cash for the trip, but horrible point redemption value; transferring Chase points to Hyatt was by far the best option which resulted in a points value of about $.035 per point.
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good data point summary. Pretty inline with my experiences.

You just have to look at your options on a case by case basis.
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My experience with hotels through the Chase portal is limited but I've found them to be similar to direct if you're booking a refundable rate. There's almost always a better use of points, though.
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AMEX Platinum here...

The only benefit we do not personally use is UberOne and ClearPlus. When you add them up, it has more value than the annual fee. Our travel has increased these last couple of years as we have been visiting colleges and our first child in out of state college, so when traveling and with companions, the value of a 2-3 hour chill in the Centurion lounge when you add up food and drinks has some additional value. 3-4 of us, food and some wine/bevs is at least $150 per visit, and a bit more of a relaxing one.

The ones that have direct value for us are the Resy and LuLuLemon credit. You just eat at a restaurant on the Resy platform (dont even need to make a reservation from it) and you get $100 credit per quarter. Same for LuLuLemon - my wife buys something once per quarter and gets $75 credited. Walmart+ is awesome - get most of my non perishables there (cheaper than HEB), free delivery. My son uses it at college too.

One trip, I booked via Amex and got the $300 credit. The room rate I got also cam with a $200 resort credit and free breakfast for 2 each day (5 days, and breakfast was ~40 per, so $400 worth of free food - we sent the two teenagers down each morning since we are not breakfast eaters).

Premium Travel Benefits
  • $850+ in value with The Global Lounge Collection
    Over $850 of annual value with access to Centurion Lounges, 10 complimentary Delta Sky Club visits when flying on an eligible Delta flight, Priority Pass Select membership (enrollment required), and other select partner lounges.
  • Up to $600 Hotel Credit
    Statement credits up to $300 semi-annually on prepaid Fine Hotels + Resorts or The Hotel Collection bookings through Amex Travel. The Hotel Collection requires a minimum two-night stay.
  • Up to $200 Uber Cash
    Add your Card to your Uber account and pay for rides or orders in the U.S. with an Amex Card to get $15 in Uber Cash monthly, plus a $20 bonus in December.
  • Up to $120 Uber One Credit
    Statement credits per calendar year after you purchase an auto-renewing Uber One membership. Terms Apply.
  • Up to $200 Airline Fee Credit
    Statement credits per calendar year for incidental fees charged by your one selected qualifying airline.
  • $550+ in value with Fine Hotels + Resorts
    Unlock a complimentary suite of benefits worth an average total value of $550* per stay when you book Fine Hotels + Resorts through Amex Travel.
    *Average value based on 2024 bookings for stays of two nights. Actual value will vary based on property, room rate, upgrade availability, and use of benefits.
  • Up to $209 CLEAR+ Credit
    Statement credits per calendar year for an auto-renewing CLEAR+ Membership, excluding taxes and fees.
Dining & Entertainment Benefits
  • Up to $400 Resy Credit
    Statement credits up to $100 quarterly when you make eligible purchases at U.S. Resy restaurants. Enrollment required.
  • Up to $300 Digital Entertainment Credit
    Statement credits earned monthly of up to $25 on eligible purchases at participating partners. Enrollment required.
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  • Up to $300 lululemon Credit
    Statement credits up to $75 quarterly for eligible purchases at U.S. lululemon retail stores (excluding outlets) and lululemon.com. Enrollment required.
  • Up to $155 Walmart+ Credit
    Statement credit for one auto-renewing monthly Walmart+ membership, up to $12.95 monthly plus applicable taxes.
  • Up to $100 Shop Saks Credit
    Statement credits up to $50 semi-annually for purchases made at Saks Fifth Avenue or saks.com. Enrollment required.

 
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