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What are the most common reasons for long running companies shutting down? Doesn't seem like it's usually selling out and riding off into the sunset counting $100's. Is it usually rent or taxes? Is it just "retirement time" for most sellers? The product doesn't sell anymore?

I was a business major at A&M and just sitting here thinking, I don't remember ever going in-depth on this topic and now I'm wondering what the most common reasons are.

Smoking meat while I thought of this so here's a picture.
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Buggywhipped, death and divorce got to be in the top 5.
BenTheGoodAg
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"If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward" - Gorbachev. Honestly, most just don't adapt enough to the market around them that is always changing. But there's probably a million reasons companies fail.

Not gonna share the company?
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I saw Fargo's on the Premium board, but it made me think about local companies and companies everywhere. "Why aren't we continuing?" Just always caught my attention.
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giddings_ag_06 said:

I saw Fargo's on the Premium board, but it made me think about local companies and companies everywhere. "Why aren't we continuing?" Just always caught my attention.
How many mom & pop businesses can absorb a 20% increase in costs & remain profitable?

There's lots of info about profit margins for various businesses & what is considered high/low/average. Low margins & rising costs are a bad mix.
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BenTheGoodAg said:

"If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward" - Gorbachev. Honestly, most just don't adapt enough to the market around them that is always changing. But there's probably a million reasons companies fail.

Not gonna share the company?

This is spot on and when combined with for family owned companies, they almost never make it past the third generation because only so many people have the skills necessary to run a business so either the second or third generation lack entrepreneurial skills.
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12thMan9 said:

giddings_ag_06 said:

I saw Fargo's on the Premium board, but it made me think about local companies and companies everywhere. "Why aren't we continuing?" Just always caught my attention.
How many mom & pop businesses can absorb a 20% increase in costs & remain profitable?

There's lots of info about profit margins for various businesses & what is considered high/low/average. Low margins & rising costs are a bad mix.

Why would they absorb it? It should be passed on to their customer.

Also, this isn't really a new phenomenon. Which I think is what the OP was talking about.
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Quote:

This is spot on and when combined with for family owned companies, they almost never make it past the third generation because only so many people have the skills necessary to run a business so either the second or third generation lack entrepreneurial skills.
It does seem that the old saw is correct.

The first generation makes it;
The second generation expands and/or preserves it;
The third generation loses it.

But, I'm not so sure it's just the lack of skills (which can be taught and learned) that makes the third generation take the train off the tracks.

From what I've witnessed, I'd say that the second generation begins to enjoy the trappings of success and does not have to bleed on the floor like the old man did just to keep the plates spinning.

As a result, the second generation's kids are not brought up in the business down in the trenches and instead learn to enjoy luxuries (endless vacations, fancy stuff, fine dining, etc...) while drawing a great paycheck doing some type of 'supervisory' or office work.

I think it kills their work ethic and ability to 'roll up their sleeves' when business winds eventually blow cold and they absolutely need to get off their asses and hit the ball hard.

TLDR; success brings softness
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Saw a great Twitter thread on this recently.

The point was that there are lots of small businesses today, especially in smaller communities, owned by men in their 70s and 80s who want to retire but can't find anyone to sell to. Their kids all move off to bigger and better things and there aren't any capable younger people with ambition to take over.

Eventually, as costs rise, the old men just close the doors.
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Found it.

Kansas Kid
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I agree with your comment as a major contributing cause.
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BenTheGoodAg said:

"If you're not moving forward, you're moving backward" - Gorbachev.
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If you ain' growin' you goin'
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Adapt or die
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giddings_ag_06 said:

What are the most common reasons for long running companies shutting down? Doesn't seem like it's usually selling out and riding off into the sunset counting $100's. Is it usually rent or taxes? Is it just "retirement time" for most sellers? The product doesn't sell anymore?

I was a business major at A&M and just sitting here thinking, I don't remember ever going in-depth on this topic and now I'm wondering what the most common reasons are.

Smoking meat while I thought of this so here's a picture.

You should have to deliver some of that food to those who respond! Looks good.

I have lived in my hometown (7 or 8 thousand people) all my life except for my time at A&M and five years in The Woodlands, and had my own CPA practice here for over 30 years. Because of the years in this town and the nature of my business, I became familiar with many companies and have often reflected on this topic. The value of small businesses, the number of millionaires (not only in terms of net worth but also in terms of million dollar plus annual incomes) is mind boggling. Even in relatively smaller towns.

I have seen many reasons that businesses didn't continue. As others have mentioned, the founder of the business was the one who stuck his or her neck out and took the risk to get things started and then worked like a dog to build it to what it became. Many times his or her children saw the hours the founder put in and decided there was an easier way to make a living. The second generation typically had it pretty good lifestyle-wise and income-wise relative to the effort they put in, and in instances where the business was continued to the second generation, more often than not they did not have a fraction of the work ethic the founder did. In one business I know of, the second generation guys (two brothers) went to they gym most every day at lunch, so took 2 to 2.5 hour lunches (while the parent or parents held down the fort). And more often that not, the second generation "worked" at the business, were highly overpaid, and didn't really contribute much to the business in terms of duties and responsibilities. That is the fault of the founders/parents and a reason so many of them continue to work into their 70s and 80s, i.e., they know the next generation can't handle it and they don't want to turn over their baby, their life's work, to their kids.

Another example of this is that the second generation folks always (I cannot think of a single case where this was not true) always got new vehicles, company vehicles. Seldom kept one more than 2 or 3 years, then it was handed down to another employee and a new vehicle acquired. And yet the parents, the founder(s) drove company vehicles 2 or 3 times as long as did their offspring.

The first generation worked hard because they did not want to fail. There was nobody to turn to if it failed. The second generation had their parents/the founder to fall back on should things go bad. That results in two different kind of mindsets.

Then, once the founder or founders died more than a few times the second generation was a bit overwhelmed at what really running a business involved, and the business itself was a valuable asset, so they sold it and continued to live the good life, without really having much in the way of work to do.
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I've seen similar many times. G2 is typically a challenge to keep interested in anything but the easy money. G3 can sometimes be easier if they get through G2, but that's usually a result of the way G2 was raised and then how they raised G3. One family we do business with actually has their family office CFO and CEO maintain a small museum showing the history of how the family got there and then the CFO goes through the importance of planning and good management. She shows each of them exactly how much they would have if they hadn't done good estate planning and if they manage things poorly/don't work hard.
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In my limited experience, it's just as likely that those old men expect multiples to sell their business but they never stopped to take the time to transition from a lifestyle business to something that has actual market value.
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