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Implications of Our Massive Treasury Market

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https://www.wsj.com/finance/the-27-trillion-treasury-market-is-only-getting-bigger-a9a9d170?st=qeqyay6pmbakiws&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Translation: we're f'ed.

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Annual issuance of U.S. Treasurys has exploded, nearly doubling since the pandemic began. The government sold a record $23 trillion worth in 2023. And few think the spree is going to slow soon, given the widespread expectation that government spending will continue to rise regardless of who wins November's elections.

Rapid growth in markets from tech stocks to mortgage bonds has ended badly in the past. Treasurys are considered the safest and easiest-to-trade securities on Wall Street, and many worry that any instability there could rapidly spread.
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When the government doesn't take in enough from taxes to fund its spending, the Treasury Department issues bonds to fill the gap. The agency raised a net $2.4 trillion last year to finance the deficit, taking into account what it had to sell to repay holders of maturing debt.

The Treasury market has grown more than 60% to $27 trillion since the end of 2019. It is roughly sixfold larger than before the 2008-09 financial crisis.
If this is what the CBO believes, then you can almost guarantee it will be much worse:

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The Congressional Budget Office anticipates government spending that continues to climb in the coming years, with an aging population raising the cost of programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Rising interest costs could also boost issuance.
Interesting tidbits:

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Hedge funds, money-market funds and foreign investors are now America's primary financiers.
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Hedge fundslumped in with households in Fed datahave mostly filled the gap left by the central bank, which is paring its holdings of bonds accumulated in its efforts to prop up the economy.
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Japan surpassed China as America's largest foreign creditor in 2019.
Someone more in the know can't react to this one:

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The International Swaps and Derivatives Association trade group recently asked the Fed to revive a pandemic-era policy. It would allow banks to exclude Treasurys and deposits held at the central bank from a regulatory buffer that forces banks to hold capital as a percentage of loans and other assets. That would allow banks to finance more U.S. debt and open up their balance sheets when markets become strained.
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Agreed. Any steps take on this front is the equivalent of painting over termites.
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Hard money assets are a pretty decent bet for the foreseeable future. Some allocation to gold, Bitcoin, etc. feels like the responsible move.

I like the idea of the allocation being equal to the percentage chance that we see something break in the next 12-18 months. Everyone's answer is different.
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99.5% of Americans have no exposure to precious metals (other than a small amount of jewelry). I don't know about Bitcoin. If the public ever decides to move into these hard assets for real, katy-bar the door.
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I've maintained for years that if the USD actually collapses wealth preservation is the least of your concerns. Guns, ammo and food are going to be more important than gold and Bitcoin will be irrelevant. The dollar underpins the entire global economy and there are no alternatives so if it fails everything fails and violence is the most likely scenario, both domestically and globally. I just can't see a world where the US is in hyperinflation and the rest of the global economy is functioning as if everything is fine.

Back in the colonial days we had multiple economic systems so we had rival currencies and capital could move between them to preserve wealth. This is what led to the poorly interpreted phenomenon of changes in the global reserve that people like Dalio try to apply to today's USD. Today we have one economic system and the dollar has no rivals. There's nowhere for capital to go which has and will prop up the dollar far longer than it should.

Having said all of that we're in the early years of a long run of outsized growth and that combined with a higher than usual tolerance for inflation may end with the Fed coming out looking like geniuses if we can navigate the next 20 years without collapse. 20 years from now most of the boomers will be dead and the strain they're going to put on the system will have ended. There won't be much effort to reign it in before then so we'll just have to see how it goes.
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Most people are pay check to pay check and likely can't afford to save in dollars, let alone into PMs or BTC. I think it makes sense to own both as there are a number of other sources(institutional money, pensions, endowments, etc) that may have reasons to increase allocations into these segments. My guess is PMs see the bulk of any near term flows because of its longer track record and perceived safety compared to BTC.

However, most FAs aren't in BTC yet and the ETFs are only 2 months old.

Read up on BTC, as you would any other asset you might consider buying, but we're still so early and a small allocation could make sense for a lot of people.

Fun thought…
BTC is current at a 1.3T market cap, gold is around 14.5T.
BTCs price at golds mkt cap is $740k/BTC.



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The US, through the dollar, exports our weakness overseas FIRST before se see it. And it's always worse in the countries that are dependent on the value of the dollar than it is for us. In a scenario where the dollar fails, you're right, everything comes crumbling down. Maybe BRICS successfully decouples from the west completely and gains a little, but that's a big IF.
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LOYAL AG
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Heineken-Ashi said:

The US, through the dollar, exports our weakness overseas FIRST before se see it. And it's always worse in the countries that are dependent on the value of the dollar than it is for us. In a scenario where the dollar fails, you're right, everything comes crumbling down. Maybe BRICS successfully decouples from the west completely and gains a little, but that's a big IF.


Agree with all but BRICS. Even those nations don't want to decouple from the dollar. China has far less fiscal discipline than we do. They print 2x or more the rate we do and their economy is 2/3 the size. Worse still all of their "private" capital is on their empty residential real estate developments. There's no world where this works out well.

Then you have Russia which is experiencing significant decline as the weight of their foolish invasion of Ukraine starts to set it. Picking a fight with the U.S. was a terrible idea and like it or not encroaching on NATO is tantamount to picking a fight with the US. Yes I know NATO moved first but that doesn't change the fact that they invaded a nation we told them not to invade. This isn't going to end well either.

BRICS isn't ever going to be in a position to decouple from the dollar unless it all fails in which case it won't matter. Like it or not the USD and the U.S. government are the only game in town so it is what it is.
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jagvocate
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"Picking a fight with the U.S. was a terrible idea" I've thought a lot about this. And I've concluded that, by being involved in Ukraine on the Russian border for two decades, it's NATO that picked the fight with Russia.
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I remain skeptical of BRICS. China is in worse shape than us, Russia is bogged down in wars, Brazil is a crapshoot, South Africa is a laughingstock and will fail as a country and then it will be BRIC.

India has the best potential of that mix and they play all sides at once.
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Not in disagreement. But just about all of them have openly mentioned that it is their goal. That's why I tagged it with "maybe". When you run each of their actions through that motivation tree, you can start to see why wars are starting to pop up. Either they are trying to get ahead of something or trying to get out from under something.
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LOYAL AG
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jagvocate said:

"Picking a fight with the U.S. was a terrible idea" I've thought a lot about this. And I've concluded that, by being involved in Ukraine on the Russian border for two decades, it's NATO that picked the fight with Russia.


We haven't been the best of neighbors in Eastern Europe but Russia had to know we would help Ukraine because it's strategically located. We were never going to invade Russia so shame on them for poking the bear when we would have been content to use Ukraine for money laundering forever with no attempt at armed conflict. Don't pick a fight you can't win.
A fearful society is a compliant society. That's why Democrats and criminals prefer their victims to be unarmed. Gun Control is not about guns, it's about control.
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