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What do ya'll use to keep track of expenses? I've been using Mint but it's been annoying lately. For some reason, it'll give me duplicate transactions every month. I'm then having to go through each transaction to make sure it's not counting it twice.
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I didn't like Mint when I tried it years ago.

I built an excel spreadsheet that I update daily (on weekdays anyway) with our family budget, vacation plans, investment strategy, mortgage payment tracker, etc. Basically, it takes up my first 10 minutes of the workday.

It's my financial bible.
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We use copilot. Isn't free but we've been happy with it
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Expenses? Nerd Wallet. My net worth and investments? MINT
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Wrec86 Ag said:

I didn't like Mint when I tried it years ago.

I built an excel spreadsheet that I update daily (on weekdays anyway) with our family budget, vacation plans, investment strategy, mortgage payment tracker, etc. Basically, it takes up my first 10 minutes of the workday.

It's my financial bible.

I also use an Excel spreadsheet that I built that I can tell is significantly less detailed than this one. I update it nightly. I get anxious if I go more than a couple of days without looking at it
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Ed Carter said:

You have 6 kids and spend $4000 a month for your household??
My wife is extremely cheap, so that's probably a couple grand a month right there. I have 3 teenagers and they all work and pay for their own gas/mx on vehicles. I pay for their insurance. Younger kids pack their lunch for school. I pack a lunch for work.

We go out to eat maybe twice a month. My kids are in school sports so all the club sport BS is not there. Been there, done that. Not worth it at all to spend $5-7K per year to watch your kid play a ball game.

Edit - we've started Christmas shopping early, so this last month was $6500!
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Red Pear Felipe said:

What do ya'll use to keep track of expenses? I've been using Mint but it's been annoying lately. For some reason, it'll give me duplicate transactions every month. I'm then having to go through each transaction to make sure it's not counting it twice.


Used YNAB for years and year and about 9 months ago switched over to Tiller. More complex, but much more insight, IMO.
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Red Pear Felipe said:

Yeah, we've been really trying to cut our expenses. We are Dave Ramsey-ish in the sense that we know that you must learn to live within your means. My wife and I still put away about 15% combined towards our 401ks and we have no car payments. Our cars are paid off. Our kids play club soccer so that's $900 alone per month. Everything else we put on the card is food, gas money, shopping, etc.

I'd like do bring it down to about $4-6k per month.
$900 for 2 kids per month? Hopefully not $900 each...

My kids are young and I try and budget out 3 - 5 years (try to predict capital stuff like AC, pool, etc) with continual increases to sports budgets....ridiculous numbers...this makes me think $14K+ could be a "reasonable" budget in the future...my daughters' dance alone is just insane...
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Wrec86 Ag said:

I didn't like Mint when I tried it years ago.

I built an excel spreadsheet that I update daily (on weekdays anyway) with our family budget, vacation plans, investment strategy, mortgage payment tracker, etc. Basically, it takes up my first 10 minutes of the workday.

It's my financial bible.

Would you mind sharing a blank template via Google Drive? My email is in my profile.
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Mine is pretty basic. Across the columns at the top (with the letters, starting in cell B1), I put one month per cell, Jan - December. In the cell immediately below each month, I record the total income for that month.

In column A, starting in cell A3, I list my expense categories. Mine include house, car note, utilities, VISA (all charges that don't go in another category), auto/gas, cable/phone/internet, my son's name, debit/misc, medical, house, travel/tickets, groceries, work.

At the bottom of each monthly column, I have a sum total, and at the end of each expense category row, I have a sum total. So, I know all my income for the year, all my expenses for each month, and all my expenses in a particular category for the year.

I update it not every day, but probably once a week. This is where credit cards come in handy. I don't spend much cash, so I know exactly where my. money is going.

Under the sum total at the end of each column, I have a delta where I subtract the total spent from the income that month. My expenses/savings fluctuate. Some months it's positive, some it's negative, so I try to focus on the big picture for the year.

I have separate cells for one-time expenses like house insurance and property taxes, although you could put those in their respective cell in the month they are paid. I just pull them out because I like to easily see how they increase year over year. I also keep track of my Roth contribution (usually an annual lump sum) and any charitable contributions. And I have a cell for what I owe or get back from the IRS. This helps me when I go to do my taxes.

I also have separate cells where I total my travel expenses for a specific trip, just so I know what I spend. We typically take one "big" vacation and one "smaller" one, and I like to compare the two.

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Lehman Brothers just woke up
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Have you recently added a new account to Mint? I had this happen a few years ago when my wife and I opened a new account at Chase. The duplicate transactions lasted a few weeks, maybe a month, then I removed the old account from Mint and it seemed to fix the issue.

I was about to give up on Mint a year or so ago because the mobile app and website would not sync properly when I was categorizing expenses. They seemed to have invested a decent amount in the mobile app development over the last 6-12 months so I've stuck with it.
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Mint has gone to **** lately. To all of you people manually tracking, hats off to you. I hardly have enough time to review with mint handling all the aggregation for me.
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sometimes Mint will add a Chase card twice. It's just a matter of "hiding" the second instance and you're good to go.
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Mint has been great but I only link my investments and savings. Credit cards go to nerd wallet
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Red Pear Felipe said:

Wrec86 Ag said:

I didn't like Mint when I tried it years ago.

I built an excel spreadsheet that I update daily (on weekdays anyway) with our family budget, vacation plans, investment strategy, mortgage payment tracker, etc. Basically, it takes up my first 10 minutes of the workday.

It's my financial bible.

Would you mind sharing a blank template via Google Drive? My email is in my profile.


Same. Username2121@ gmail. I would really appreciate it.
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+1 on the Excel train

I upload every single transaction I make in a given month as well as salary and bills into a spreadsheet and determine my monthly profit. Then do my transfers to Roth, HYSA, etc from there. I am a measly grad school peasant so no automatic 401k with match just yet.

Creating the Excel sheet was probably the greatest thing I ever did for my finances. I always lived within my means, and have never had debt, but once I put myself through the mental/emotional torture of manually entering every transaction I made into a spreadsheet, suddenly my desire to spend money on booze and restaurants dropped significantly.

If I'm ever lucky enough to have kids I'm sitting them down when they're 16 and giving them a summer project of making a finances spreadsheet. Teaches them Excel, also gets them in the habit of watching/planning their finances.
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same please , jasonbourne211996@gmail.com
Wrec86 Ag
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Give me a little time to clear out my info while leaving formulas, etc. I'll try and send it to those that ask within the next couple days
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Thanks
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I'd appreciate you sending it to me too!

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Medaggie
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I grew up super poor and my parents would jump out of the grave and slap me if they knew how much I spend.

My amazon charges monthly is about 4-5K which is about 2/3 personal and 1/3 business.

My personal CC is about prob avg 8k/mo.

Throw in my CC I use for monthly fixed payments (internet, insurance premiums, health insurance, etc) is about 2K/month.

I have no idea what wife charges on her personal cc but prob 3k/mo.

Prob another 5K monthly charges from my checking account

I know we overspend but I save/invest 2-3x what I spend so proportionally I think its a good balance.
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I will second Tiller. It's a Google Sheets or MS Excel based personal financial app with all kinds of user built modules and add-ons. It's pretty kickass. I moved to it after being in MS Money/Quicken for 20 years.

It's not free like Wrec86's though.

https://www.tillerhq.com/community-solutions/
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Medaggie said:

I grew up super poor and my parents would jump out of the grave and slap me if they knew how much I spend.

My amazon charges monthly is about 4-5K which is about 2/3 personal and 1/3 business.

My personal CC is about prob avg 8k/mo.

Throw in my CC I use for monthly fixed payments (internet, insurance premiums, health insurance, etc) is about 2K/month.

I have no idea what wife charges on her personal cc but prob 3k/mo.

Prob another 5K monthly charges from my checking account

I know we overspend but I save/invest 2-3x what I spend so proportionally I think its a good balance.

8k personal (assuming Amazon is wrapped up here)
2k fixed expenses
3k wife's card
5k in direct draw
=18k monthly expenses
Saving 2-3x that monthly

So pulling in $650k to $860k a year (after tax)? Nice humble brag...

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What add on modules do you use?
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You must be new here.
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Ragoo said:

What add on modules do you use?
It comes with Categories and Transactions as core product (and maybe a couple of others) but following is what I use consistently:

  • Balances
  • Savings Budget - envelope type budget process which is fairly new to me but I've learned to really appreciate it because I have varying amounts of spend and certain use cases that play well with the concept; it basically solved how to track a buffer amount of cash I like to keep directly in my checking account as almost an immediate bucket of savings cash
  • Bill Payment Tracker
  • Transaction Tracker - to dial in on specific Categories of transactions
  • Tags Report - I use this specifically to track reimbursable expenses for work. Basically, it tracks stuff I need to go back and include in my expense report. We do not have an automated way to do this via work so this works well for that
  • Account Reconciliation - for balancing your accounts
  • Net Worth Snapshot
  • Cash Flow Forecast
  • Retirement Planner

Those last two are pretty slick for retirement forecasting because they let you really fine tune your projections based on a variety of assumptions.
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Caliber said:

Medaggie said:

I grew up super poor and my parents would jump out of the grave and slap me if they knew how much I spend.

My amazon charges monthly is about 4-5K which is about 2/3 personal and 1/3 business.

My personal CC is about prob avg 8k/mo.

Throw in my CC I use for monthly fixed payments (internet, insurance premiums, health insurance, etc) is about 2K/month.

I have no idea what wife charges on her personal cc but prob 3k/mo.

Prob another 5K monthly charges from my checking account

I know we overspend but I save/invest 2-3x what I spend so proportionally I think its a good balance.

8k personal (assuming Amazon is wrapped up here)
2k fixed expenses
3k wife's card
5k in direct draw
=18k monthly expenses
Saving 2-3x that monthly

So pulling in $650k to $860k a year (after tax)? Nice humble brag...


Puts him in bottom 8% of this board.
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Reminds me of the old saying "a billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about a lot of money".
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Don't forget this one a couple of pages back...
Medaggie said:

Given inflation, cost of living, more stuff to spend money on...... a millionaire today is essentially lower to middle class.

I am in the 5-10M range and do not feel super rich more like upper middle.
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Caliber said:

Medaggie said:

I grew up super poor and my parents would jump out of the grave and slap me if they knew how much I spend.

My amazon charges monthly is about 4-5K which is about 2/3 personal and 1/3 business.

My personal CC is about prob avg 8k/mo.

Throw in my CC I use for monthly fixed payments (internet, insurance premiums, health insurance, etc) is about 2K/month.

I have no idea what wife charges on her personal cc but prob 3k/mo.

Prob another 5K monthly charges from my checking account

I know we overspend but I save/invest 2-3x what I spend so proportionally I think its a good balance.

8k personal (assuming Amazon is wrapped up here)
2k fixed expenses
3k wife's card
5k in direct draw
=18k monthly expenses
Saving 2-3x that monthly

So pulling in $650k to $860k a year (after tax)? Nice humble brag...




If I'm reading this right, he's spending $18K and saving at least $36K. He's making a whole lot more than $800K
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tmaggie50 said:

Caliber said:

Medaggie said:

I grew up super poor and my parents would jump out of the grave and slap me if they knew how much I spend.

My amazon charges monthly is about 4-5K which is about 2/3 personal and 1/3 business.

My personal CC is about prob avg 8k/mo.

Throw in my CC I use for monthly fixed payments (internet, insurance premiums, health insurance, etc) is about 2K/month.

I have no idea what wife charges on her personal cc but prob 3k/mo.

Prob another 5K monthly charges from my checking account

I know we overspend but I save/invest 2-3x what I spend so proportionally I think its a good balance.

8k personal (assuming Amazon is wrapped up here)
2k fixed expenses
3k wife's card
5k in direct draw
=18k monthly expenses
Saving 2-3x that monthly

So pulling in $650k to $860k a year (after tax)? Nice humble brag...




If I'm reading this right, he's spending $18K and saving at least $36K. He's making a whole lot more than $800K
$18k + $36k (2x) = $54k/month and $18k + $54k (3x) = $72k/monthly
$54k x 12month = $648k/year and $72k x 12month = $864K.

Both of those are after tax as noted, so yes, as a family they are easily pulling in over $1mm a year by those numbers
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Medaggie said he has about 6 months to live and will be in hospice soon on another thread.
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Here to state I believe excel to be the best option and everyone can set it up how they like.

I have tracked every dollar spent (cash, savings, credit card) in excel since 2012.

I use to use a column system to budget by type but honestly found it got cumbersome. Through my own "unique" setup I basically set up "reserves" on a weekly basis set up for "recurring spend" (gas, grocery, dining out, etc). I offset actual spend each week against that reserve and make sure I don't go negative or if we do its a discussion with wife and we understand what happened (ie do we need to grow budget or are we ok w/ dipping into cash savings to cover for this one thing, etc).

Don't like to get too specific on income etc but wife and I spend, excluding mortgage and cars, about $4K per month and feel like excel is very capable at that level. I guess more spending and more complex transactions with brokers, etc might be a limit.



...and to the tread title...i forget if i posted earlier and not going to look...but yes, my wife and I cannot wrap our heads around how much so many people in Plano / North Dallas spend. Between Rovers, Private School for multiple kids, country clubs, $1.XM homes, etc. Where I grew up, there were like 2 of those families...in plano, it seems like that is your middle income and its annoying at times...i am sure they will spend all their savings and vote democrat for bailouts when they get old....

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bco2003 said:

Don't forget this one a couple of pages back...
Medaggie said:

Given inflation, cost of living, more stuff to spend money on...... a millionaire today is essentially lower to middle class.

I am in the 5-10M range and do not feel super rich more like upper middle.

Don't want to get banned, but I think the Alan Keyes troll thread meme fits here.
 
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