So, any civil unrest news?

The Don't usually issue city alerts. They issue specific state alerts. Just a FYI. I Don't think I've ever seen a City specific alert in the years weve lived Here.

jpb1999 said:

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So, any civil unrest news?

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Which side? PVR or Cancun area?

Business as usual in QR just more police.

That's true they issue state alerts except there is one for Mexico City.

Within the state alerts, they do discuss certain cities and travel restrictions. For instance, in the State of Baja California they say there is no travel restriction for Tijuana.

Tijuana is one thing. Now do that in McAllen in a new car and see how that goes.

We were planning a trip to PV in August and in discussing what we want to do I've come up with the best way to explain for me.

I don't think it's unreasonable to stick to the plan and go visit but I also think it's completely reasonable to pass and go elsewhere.

I Am A Critic said:

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Has anything occurred recently in Mexico that could change your safety and security if you were to make the same trip again soon?

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I would probably wait a couple of weeks until the unrest has settled down, but then I'd be fine with going again. No different than temporarily avoiding a US city that is in the midst of large scale protests.

CaptnCarl said:

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It sounds like you were strategic in your travel. Traveling at certain times to select locations.

There are plenty of Mexicans here in the US that don't go back to visit their family because of the dangers in certain Mexican states. Many Mexicans won't bring their vehicles across the border because the risk of being stolen.

I, too, have traveled to Mexico several times over the past couple of years. I flew to specific tourist destinations. Saying Mexico is just as safe as traveling in the US has your head in the sand. Just because lots of Americans travel to and from select locations doesn't mean the country is just as safe as a road trip across the US.

Why does the US issue no travel warnings to dozens of Mexican cities?

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Traveling at certain times to select locations is pretty much how all travel works.

Mxico City Is It's own State

Distrito Federal (Like DC)

steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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Has anything occurred recently in Mexico that could change your safety and security if you were to make the same trip again soon?

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I would probably wait a couple of weeks until the unrest has settled down, but then I'd be fine with going again. No different than temporarily avoiding a US city that is in the midst of large scale protests.

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I respectfully disagree with the comparison. Protests in a general city in the US seem different than potentially being caught up in cartel violence in a different country. I feel stronger on my 2 feet as a citizen here than I would as a non-citizen elsewhere. Maybe if I spoke Spanish I would feel different about PV/Mexico in this instance because I could feel comfortable getting around with less help. I feel like for most of us seeing or navigating a large protest in the US is way less of a stretch than navigating a foreign place if something turns south.

Edit to add: I'm mainly referring to PV in this instance…less so the more geographically separate places in the country.

Chipotlemonger said:

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steve00 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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Has anything occurred recently in Mexico that could change your safety and security if you were to make the same trip again soon?

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I would probably wait a couple of weeks until the unrest has settled down, but then I'd be fine with going again. No different than temporarily avoiding a US city that is in the midst of large scale protests.

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I respectfully disagree with the comparison. Protests in a general city in the US seem different than potentially being caught up in cartel violence in a different country. I feel stronger on my 2 feet as a citizen here than I would as a non-citizen elsewhere. Maybe if I spoke Spanish I would feel different about PV/Mexico in this instance because I could feel comfortable getting around with less help. I feel like for most of us seeing or navigating a large protest in the US is way less of a stretch than navigating a foreign place if something turns south.

Edit to add: I'm mainly referring to PV in this instance…less so the more geographically separate places in the country.

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I respect that different people can see risk differently. I never had any trouble getting around in Mexico without knowing Spanish. Both within 100 miles south of the border or in Mexico City.

The cartel wars have been going on for 20 years, and to a lesser extent for many more decades before that. For me, the risk of getting involved in that violence was low enough to not be a serious concern.

I should have been more specific about the kinds of US protests I was referring to. I was thinking of ones that similarly involved violence, fires, deaths and clashes with police. Like the 1992 LA riots, the 2020ish BLM riots in Minnesota and DC, and the Jan 6 Capitol riot. I would have chosen to cancel plans to visit those areas at those times, but would be fine rescheduling as soon as they died down.

Understood, I thought you meant just a random protest in general and that you were not referring to something like the LA riots.

Going to Punta Mita in a couple of weeks with the Family.

We had 3 other families back out of this trip a few days ago. I don't get it.

No tourist have been injured, kidnapped or murdered in PV area in years, possibly decades, Statistically you are more likely to get car jacked at the local filling station here in Austin.

I guess some people just have a pre-conceived notion on Mexico and nothing will change that.

Unfortunately the all-inclusive in Cabo that we went to a few years back doesn't have dramatically reduced rates right now.

Just let them do what they want to do. Wouldn't bother me any as it's their life. When you get back you can tell them how great it was

Saw some travel agent on the Memorial Facebook group pushing the 4/4.5 Villa at the Esperanza for $8K a week. Supposedly it's typically $6K/night so would be a great deal for those who can get down there.

Can attest, Esperanza is amazing…would be quite the deal.

Never had a more expensive breakfast though.

those resorts do like to nail you on food.

Wouldn't apply here, but if I'm doing a non-AI, I always like to book with Chase/Amex to get the free breakfast perk. Lot of value in these situations.

Most places, I really don't care much about breakfast...but I do like them at Mexican resorts.

Or you can book with an agent who can get you that same perk

I will say, it was an incredible breakfast. And I was there working a wedding so I didn't pay for it…I still winced when I saw the bill.

good call. I'm a points guy mainly...but great option as well

Was in Cabo Th-Mon. Didn't notice any difference from previous trips. Was curious if there would be a bigger police prescense at the airport or anything, but it was business as usual.

I would disagree but to each their own.

What happened last Sunday was an anomaly and worst case people had to stay an extra day or two in Mexico. No different than if a Hurricane came through. I would argue its safer for tourist there than most American cities. The odds of something happening to you are slim to 0 and even to your point the odds of another civil unrest where flights are shut down for a day or two are insanely low.

Spoke to a fishing guide we use down there and his business was absolutely devasted last week and who knows the future impact. Just one example of thousands who depend on tourism for their livelihood. Not that any of us owe them anything but you got to feel for the people there who are struggling right now due to either fake news or extreme over reactions.

I have a friend that I work with who's going next week. Visiting family that have a house rented there for the last month. Said it is totally fine and safe at the moment.

For what it's worth, everything on the east side of Mexico was fine. We just got back from Q Roo and if I had not watched the news before I left, I would not have known anything was wrong.

Why not go to somewhere in any of the other locations that are on the opposite end of Mexico? There are gringos like me walking on the sidewalks all over the place well off the resorts like nothing is wrong. INo lines in or out of the country at the airport, smooth sailing.

We go every year for business and it looks the same now as it always has. PV may be fine in the summer or may not be, but I don't think anyone can answer that question.

No matter what I say, I DO agree with you that you need to do what you are comfortable with. I don't think it is unreasonable to go or cancel.

As for your missus, I definitely would not make a single decision right this second. Why not wait a bit and see how things are shaking out next month? You don't have to decide right this minute. That's what we did. On Sunday last week, we were "Nah, I'm out." but by Wednesday, all reports from folks on the ground were good and we felt fine.

Because rhey dont have sargassum and we do. Its gonna be BAD this summer.