I can believe instances of Clear being faster...but how long were both lines where you say pre-check was longer? Did PC have 3 and the main line 2? I just have never seen more than about 4 people in line for PC, so it seems weird to imagine it suddenly having a big crowd in line.tamc93 said:
I was in MSY last Tuesday...buddy had CLEAR and made it through with no delays. Precheck line was longer then the regular line.
Normally no issues when I fly elsewhere, but that was the first time I thought about it.
I've flown a few times a year out of DEN for 4-5 years now with tsa pre check and never waited more than 3-5 minutes in that line. Most recent was a friday in Jan.. maybe 10 people in front of us?Jock 07 said:The Pilot said:
We've had Clear for ~5 yrs now, DEN is usually a cluster so it's worth it IMO.
Concur, this is by far where I get the most bang for the buck
2 things;CDub06 said:
The line for TSA PreCheck has become longer than general security in some cases. It's annoying. I find myself just going through regular security about 1/3 of the time because it's quicker than waiting in the PreCheck line. Unless you're Clear.
Clear now has the upper hand and is acting like a FastPass to the front of the TSA Pre line. It's what TSA Pre used to be. But I'm indignant about it and (for now) refuse to pay for another service. Obviously, that will change if my credit card pays for Clear. I don't have an AmEx. At $189/year, I just don't think it's worth it.
As a related note, I raced my coworker through security yesterday at SLC. He stayed in TSA Pre and I went through regular security. Even though my stuff had to run through twice because I forgot to take my laptop out of the bag (Ok, that part of regular security is annoying), I still beat him by about 4 minutes.
They also had some new screening tech in regular security that took a real-time picture of you and compared it to your scanned ID that TSA was using. I'd never seen it before and they weren't using it in the TSA Pre area. https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2023/03/09/tsa-using-state-art-identity-verification-technology-accepting
north or south? Ive never seen close to 100 people. Maybe 20.Fairview said:
Denver security is hit or miss but when it's miss it's really bad. TSA precheck regularly gets over 100+ people in line.
62strat said:north or south? Ive never seen close to 100 people. Maybe 20.Fairview said:
Denver security is hit or miss but when it's miss it's really bad. TSA precheck regularly gets over 100+ people in line.
You can add Clear to PreCheck. I've had TSA PreCheck since the beginning and it's always been a blessing. But now if you add Clear to it, it's the new "fast pass". The airports I frequent move the Clear passengers to the front of the PreCheck line.62strat said:
2 things;
1. Clear doesn't replace TSAprecheck. They are different things. If you add clear to TSAprecheck, that is your most efficient/quickest option; skip the line, then go through precheck for convenience of not removing liquids, laptop, take off shoes, etc.
But Clear does not get you into a precheck line, so without it, you will be stuck with the infrequent travelers and their kids taking forever, taking off shoes, removing liquids and laptops from the bag etc.. Sounds miserable.
2. You can add 'family and friends' to a clear account for $60, so you can get 4 adults for $190 + $180 or ~$90 ea per year. Kids under 18 are free. Also can have a United chase card and get main acct at $150 to save even a bit more.
yes, that is my second sentence. Again, I would never do clear without precheck; I don't want to take off shoes, liquids, and be with infrequent flyers doing thatCDub06 said:You can add Clear to PreCheck. I've had TSA PreCheck since the beginning and it's always been a blessing. But now if you add Clear to it, it's the new "fast pass". The airports I frequent move the Clear passengers to the front of the PreCheck line.62strat said:
2 things;
1. Clear doesn't replace TSAprecheck. They are different things. If you add clear to TSAprecheck, that is your most efficient/quickest option; skip the line, then go through precheck for convenience of not removing liquids, laptop, take off shoes, etc.
But Clear does not get you into a precheck line, so without it, you will be stuck with the infrequent travelers and their kids taking forever, taking off shoes, removing liquids and laptops from the bag etc.. Sounds miserable.
2. You can add 'family and friends' to a clear account for $60, so you can get 4 adults for $190 + $180 or ~$90 ea per year. Kids under 18 are free. Also can have a United chase card and get main acct at $150 to save even a bit more.
Now with all the schmucks that are TSA Pre, more and more I'm having the situation where the PreCheck line is as long as regular security and the people that are saving time are the growing number of ones with Clear. It's just become a new pecking order.
Ive used CLEAR at IAH over 20+ times at IAH and never once did I encounter a line, even during peak travel season. It was the same at other US airports. There are sometimes 1-2 people using the kiosks in front of me, but theres always other open kiosks available to use. Im usually done with the CLEAR check in, in a minute or less. Its basically just scan retina or thumb print, show boarding pass, and thats it.fire09 said:
Clear is regularly longer than TSA preckeck at IAH due to their absolute inefficiency at moving people through their kiosks.
not a joke.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
If you do GE, you get Pre-check with it. I did not have to do a new interview to renew, and neither did my wife. But some people are required to go back in and interview. I am sure that part of GE is a criminal background check and a check against various watch lists. So if you made it on to one of those after your initial application, presumably it would be caught during the renewal.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Lol at this. What a mess, and wtf.
Why does global entry and PreCheck expire?
If you renew global entry do you have to go through the whole 9-yards, interview, application process to simply renew?
Other than a money grab, what is the point of all this?
Are they conceiving of a situation where someone might be approved for global entry and pre-check and somehow not be eligible when they go to renew?
How are they boarding planes with no ID?2wealfth Man said:
This all a giant wasteful and useless dog and pony show with the current state of our borders. Those without any ID seem to breeze right on through.
I was at Hobby at 4:30am in the morning last Sunday. PreCheck line had 30ish people. Regular line had less than 10. Slightly annoying, but not as annoying as the overly happy, talk to damn much and loud Clear reps leading someone in front and through everything while you wait in line for PreCheck.CDub06 said:I mean, that was the original idea and should be the case.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
Eh, depends what airport you're in. There are many where this is the exact opposite.
Hobby is actually the worst with this, it's usually 50/50 for me.Seems to be the case.
Admittedly, I do tend to be on the first flights out of the airports in the morning, so that might play into it too. Earlier the flight, the more business only the flights tend to be and higher mix of PreCheck in my experience.
Although my SLC experience yesterday was at 4PM flight.
dccbq80 said:
I renewed my Global Entry before the expiration date. I did not need a new interview. My wife let hers expire and had to do a new interview. Not sure if that is the way the system works or if it is just random.
See, your error was assuming our government was competent.Jock 07 said:
I know it's because tsa vs customs but still, if it's good for one you'd figure you're good for the other.
I was in Nepal a few weeks ago, they're much worse. Screen upon entering the airport. Then, go to the check in counter, then their version of TSA. Then, when you arrive at the destination, even with in country flights, you get screened again coming off of the plane.TXCityAggie said:
Airport security doesn't have to be this miserable. They won't make changes though because too much money is made from Clear, Precheck, etc. I fly routinely all over the world and never have to go through the security headaches that I do in the United States, with only very few exceptions.
Seems they aren't just protecting the planes, but the airport itself.EMY92 said:I was in Nepal a few weeks ago, they're much worse. Screen upon entering the airport. Then, go to the check in counter, then their version of TSA. Then, when you arrive at the destination, even with in country flights, you get screened again coming off of the plane.TXCityAggie said:
Airport security doesn't have to be this miserable. They won't make changes though because too much money is made from Clear, Precheck, etc. I fly routinely all over the world and never have to go through the security headaches that I do in the United States, with only very few exceptions.
Shoes & belts are X-rayed just like here.
I'm guessing that airport is the lifeblood of their tourism dollars and they want to ensure no one is afraid to fly there to climb a mountain.EMY92 said:
No clue as to why, it's a very safe country. Maybe they got a bunch of old X-ray machines on a clearance sale.
AgLA06 said:See, your error was assuming our government was competent.Jock 07 said:
I know it's because tsa vs customs but still, if it's good for one you'd figure you're good for the other.
