***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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Lessons learned the past few off-season's… If you are over the age of 30 and have not put up insane Hall of Fame numbers to this point, you are not going to get the max deal you want. If you're over 30, a five year deal if offered is pretty much just as good as a 10 year deal for the under 30 player

Alex getting a six year deal at his age and with his recent production should've been a sign on the dotted line immediately moment

In my opinion, the goal should be to secure yourself Good money through your age 35-36 season. Because after that, you never know how long you were going to play.
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In reply to Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz • 7:00a
He has looked a fool multiple times the last few off seasons.
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It seems like Bregman had no intention on coming back to Houston or that we were a fallback option, at best. They really just wanted to leverage our offer to get more from other teams, and when we publicly moved on, it screwed them. The one team willing to overpay for sentimental value was now out of it. Now it's looking like less years or Toronto are his only option.
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Screw you, Bregman. Greedy *****. Go take your pop up game to Boston for 3 years. Fenway fans won't be nearly as forgiving as you have had it your entire ****ing career.
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In reply to scd88 • 8:34a
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scd88 said:
Screw you, Bregman. Greedy *****. Go take your pop up game to Boston for 3 years. Fenway fans won't be nearly as forgiving as you have had it your entire ****ing career.
Relax, it's not that serious.

I am sure Bregman would have signed on the dotted line if he knew how it would all turn out. The Astros realized he wasn't ready to pull the trigger and made an awesome pivot.
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And I applaud Dana for that.

Regardless of how Paredes works out in an Astro uniform I love that he wasn't held hostage by Bregman and Boras.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:02a
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Ag_07 said:
And I applaud Dana for that.

Regardless of how Paredes works out in an Astro uniform I love that he wasn't held hostage by Bregman and Boras.
100%
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Going back a few posts... The main reason the Ohtani deal is so egregious is that they are able to capitalize now on the additional marketing revenue that he's generating, while paying him next to nothing. They can then take part of that revenue and put it in escrow, which will likely grow to as much, if not more than what they're going to pay him in those last years of the contract.

So, essentially they're getting him for nothing or may even end up positive on the deal once those deferred years become due. Glad Manfred was so worried about us creating a competitive advantage with a trash can (even though it was proven it didn't really create an advantage), while allowing the Dodgers to create the biggest competitive advantage the sport has ever seen.
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In reply to Billy Baroo • 9:21a
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Astros did the worst thing imaginable in 2017.

They beat the three biggest brand names in the sport back-to-back-to-back.

They completed the Ken Burns trail of tears.

They will never be forgiven for that.

Dodgers building a super team via creative financing is just brand elevation.
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Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?
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In reply to n_touch • 10:44a
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n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?


Tucker… only because we thought we had one more year with him.
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In reply to n_touch • 10:54a
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n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?


To me, MMP being gone is almost meaningless compared to the other two.
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In reply to n_touch • 11:39a
n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?


It's a wash in my book.

Trading Tucker gets us a younger version of Bregman who is more versatile. Then Walker holds down 1B until Smith is ready for the big league spot. If it's 2026 then Paredes can play LF. Plus, letting Bregs go frees up a lot of money.

I've made no bones about my issues with Tucker and I'm not sad to see him go. I don't see any way he lives up to the numbers he going to demand and will be the kind of contract that handcuffs all but about 5 ball clubs ability to compete.

Still need OF help but I think the ball club is in a better spot to compete for the World Series than when they were in November 2024.
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In reply to Billy Baroo • 11:45a
Billy Baroo said:
Going back a few posts... The main reason the Ohtani deal is so egregious is that they are able to capitalize now on the additional marketing revenue that he's generating, while paying him next to nothing. They can then take part of that revenue and put it in escrow, which will likely grow to as much, if not more than what they're going to pay him in those last years of the contract.

So, essentially they're getting him for nothing or may even end up positive on the deal once those deferred years become due. Glad Manfred was so worried about us creating a competitive advantage with a trash can (even though it was proven it didn't really create an advantage), while allowing the Dodgers to create the biggest competitive advantage the sport has ever seen.
This is a CBA issue. The option to do this has been there. I don't get upset with people who take advantage of the situation. If it's an issue, owners and MLBPA should address it during the next CBA negotiations.

Also, while I don't like it, it doesn't mean it doesn't come with risk. It probably works out for them, but the numbers by age for the average viewer climbs higher and higher. The game hasn't brought in the younger viewers to replace the older viewers at a decent enough rate. The WS isn't drawing like it used to, and it's even getting outdrawn by some regular season college football games now. 10 years is a long time for the landscape to change, and will the viewership issue finally catch up to baseball within this next decade? Who knows what that $700M will be to the Dodgers in 10 years.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 12:13p
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TarponChaser said:
n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?


It's a wash in my book.

Trading Tucker gets us a younger version of Bregman who is more versatile. Then Walker holds down 1B until Smith is ready for the big league spot. If it's 2026 then Paredes can play LF. Plus, letting Bregs go frees up a lot of money.

I've made no bones about my issues with Tucker and I'm not sad to see him go. I don't see any way he lives up to the numbers he going to demand and will be the kind of contract that handcuffs all but about 5 ball clubs ability to compete.

Still need OF help but I think the ball club is in a better spot to compete for the World Series than when they were in November 2024.
I agree with most of these points.

I think losing Bregs hurts the most -- but not from an on-the-field performance perspective. I think the team on the field will miss his leadership. He seemed to take a lot of it after Correa left.

Someone else will have to step up.

That being said -- I think they are much better positioned for 2025 and the future with the moves they've made.
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In reply to n_touch • 12:18p
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n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?
None.

It's business. Signing either would have been bad business and made the next 5 years much worse as a fan. The nostalgia wears off real quick if you aren't competitive because you re-sign a big name.
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I'd love if Crane did this:

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In reply to Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz • 12:26p
Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:
Never thought I'd be sticking up for Boras but definitely feels like a situation where the player had way too lofty of an opinion of themselves. While Correa's problem seemed rooted in injury concerns, both guys appear to have conflated their personal success with the astros overall success. I don't think boras would make that mistake. He might make outlandish claims about what a guy is worth to the media, but he has been doing this for 40 years and rarely looks foolish when the dust settles.



Who do you think was feeding Bregman his inflated market value? That's all Borass
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:28p
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AgLA06 said:
n_touch said:
Which one hurts more?

Tucker Gone?
Bregs Gone?
Minute Maid Gone?
None.

It's business. Signing either would have been bad business and made the next 5 years much worse as a fan. The nostalgia wears off real quick if you aren't competitive because you re-sign a big name.
Very true.

Pay guys for what you expect to get out of them, not for what they did for you previously.
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In reply to agproducer • 12:30p
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As an option for out of market customers sure.

But not as an exclusive option. That would blow for us in market customers who get the games with our streaming services we have already.
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