***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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Beat40
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Honestly, I wish he or someone else would write a book about it.

Probably going to be hard to get people on record though. Probably also not a ton provable.
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I'm not sure it matters who wrote it. Most people still aren't aware or don't believe Canseco's book either.
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Beat40 said:

Honestly, I wish he or someone else would write a book about it.

Probably going to be hard to get people on record though. Probably also not a ton provable.

If he can't post on social media about it without the threat of litigation, there's no way on earth he'd be able to get a publisher to pick up a book.
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Now that the 2025 MLB Hall of Fame ballots are official, who will make it in with the required 75% of the vote?

This is who I think can make it.

Returners:
Billy Wagner - 73.8% last year - this is his 10th and final season on the ballot. He gets over the hump and goes in as a member of the Astros
Andrew Jones - 61.6% last year - this will be his 8th year so there is no doubt some dumb writers will wait another year or 2. I think he can make a big jump this year, but it will be close.

First time on the ballot:
Ichiro Suzuki - the only real question is if he will be a unanimous choice, but he will get in this year
CC Sabathia - he will get the love from NE media and had good numbers (over 250 wins and 3,000 strikeouts with post season success). Not sure if it will be enough for a first ballot, but he should have a strong start.

TLDR: Wagner and Ichiro will be the 2025 Hall of Fame Class
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I don't think the Astros offer to Bregman will be the highest offer he gets, but it's a very serious offer. I think the odds are about as 50/50 as it gets right now.
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This should be fun.
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Wow...

Well at least we know Stearns won't put up with nonsense...if he causes trouble, he will find himself jobless (ref Jorge Lopez)
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Alex just declined 21.05M for 2025.
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3B Paul 97 said:

Now that the 2025 MLB Hall of Fame ballots are official, who will make it in with the required 75% of the vote?

This is who I think can make it.

Returners:
Billy Wagner - 73.8% last year - this is his 10th and final season on the ballot. He gets over the hump and goes in as a member of the Astros
Andrew Jones - 61.6% last year - this will be his 8th year so there is no doubt some dumb writers will wait another year or 2. I think he can make a big jump this year, but it will be close.

First time on the ballot:
Ichiro Suzuki - the only real question is if he will be a unanimous choice, but he will get in this year
CC Sabathia - he will get the love from NE media and had good numbers (over 250 wins and 3,000 strikeouts with post season success). Not sure if it will be enough for a first ballot, but he should have a strong start.

TLDR: Wagner and Ichiro will be the 2025 Hall of Fame Class

Sabathia's numbers were way better than I thought 251 wins, 3,000 strikeouts. If Wagner and Ichiro are definitely getting in, not sure there are enough votes for CC

Hoping Dave Parker gets in on the vet committee this year.
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Saw Dave Parker at home run contest and all star skills contest at the Dome. They had one contest - wish they still did this - where outfielders would throw a ball from deep center to the target at home plate, most getting it within 50 feet on a couple bounces. He threw an absolute laser and hit the batters box on the fly.

He's absolutely a hall of famer. The power of the '79 We are Family Pirates.
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SIAP, Mariners broadcaster taking over the Yankees radio job
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Dave Parker is another player that makes the WAR metric seem a bit non-credible

career WAR (per baseball reference) of only 40.1 -- what?

he had a legendary 5-year stretch from 1975 to 1979 stuffed with awards, batting titles, gold gloves, MVP's, all-star games, WS title, and so forth

then had 2 great seasons with the Reds in the mid-80's that netted two more top 5 MVP finishes -- for a total of five in his career

not to mention 143 career outfield assists. In his prime he was throwing guys out in the parking lot

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EastCoastAgNc said:


SIAP, Mariners broadcaster taking over the Yankees radio job
Sims is a New Yorker. I knew him peripherally when I worked in both NY and Seattle. He should do fine on radio which is his strength.

Honestly, I am thankful they didn't come after Robert Ford who is also a New Yorker and is better than Dave by a country mile.
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W said:

Dave Parker is another player that makes the WAR metric seem a bit non-credible

career WAR (per baseball reference) of only 40.1 -- what?

he had a legendary 5-year stretch from 1975 to 1979 stuffed with awards, batting titles, gold gloves, MVP's, all-star games, WS title, and so forth

then had 2 great seasons with the Reds in the mid-80's that netted two more top 5 MVP finishes -- for a total of five in his career

not to mention 143 career outfield assists. In his prime he was throwing guys out in the parking lot




I don't know if I'd say legendary but a very very good early career then basically average the rest of the way except for '85. The fact he finished top 5 in the MVP in 86 is kind of laughable. The fact that Scott was only 10th tells you all you need to know about how terrible the voters were.
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I'm surprised Parker only had 339 HR in 19 years.
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Farmer1906 said:



This should be fun.


Interesting.

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Farmer1906 said:

Farmer1906 said:



This should be fun.


Interesting.



Soto can homer, Siri can strikeout
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If Manfred is the one to solve this, I'm gonna laugh at all the haters spontaneously combusting.
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I'll always be a hater. He should have done this years ago when MLBAM was still at the forefront and was the premier name in streaming technology in the world.
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Dave Parker has a low WAR I think in large part to his HR total. IMHO WAR overweighs it.

Case in point. These two players were roughly contemporaries and overlapped their careers. One played 3 plus years longer and hit more HRs. The other appears to generally be the significantly better player.

One may end up in the HOF. The other didn't stay on the ballot.

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Edit

I read that wrong. The player on the right should be in the HOF with those awesome offensive #s. I'm willing to bet the player on the left got a ton of WAR from defense and baserunning. Not from extra HRs.
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I looked up on who the player on the left is. He could be argued as one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time. That kind of effects the HOF status and his WAR (22nd highest ever in defensive WAR).
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Thoughts on working a trade with Minnesota to bring Correa back? Saw a random FB article talking about this.
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Wabs said:

Thoughts on working a trade with Minnesota to bring Correa back? Saw a random FB article talking about this.
Probably completely bull****, but interesting nonetheless.

Correa for age 30-33 - 4/133 M with vesting options (25, 20, 15, 10 M - all unlikely)
vs
Bregman for age 31-36 - 6/171 M (estimate)

Who do you prefer?
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If we sign Correa do we trade Pena or move him to 3B?
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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All I do is Nguyen said:

If we sign Correa do we trade Pena or move him to 3B?


In this hypothetical that'll never happen? They both play in the left side. We need both. Figure it out. No trades.
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Parker isn't in the HOF for the same reason that Vida Blue and Keith Hernandez barely got any votes, and it took the BBWAA 10 times to get Raines in , magically going from 69.8% to 86% the last year - they were all busted for cocaine use and distribution. They were all granted immunity for their testimony but they got destroyed by the media and the public, especially when one guy said he was getting drugs from Willie Stargell and Willie Mays.

Ultimately 7 people in Pittsburgh got convicted of distribution, the main guy being a Phillies' employee. The players were all first suspended for the year, then got to come back by taking drugs tests, doing community service, etc.

It's a little unsettling how many former / future Astros were on that list: Joaquin Andujar, Dale Berra, Enos Cabell, Jeff Leonard. Dusty Baker was named at first, along with several others including blue and Raines, but never suspended or punished, but he had to do random drug tests the rest of his career.

Parker had been a free agent at the end of 1983 when it all started bubbling up. He had really fallen off, maybe because of using cocaine, and was hurt half of '82 and a shell of him self in 83. A bad image saw the team not resign him and he went to the Reds and went OFF.

In 1984 he hit .285 with 16 HR and 94 RBI.
In 1985 at age 34 he hit .312 with 42 doubes, 34 HR, and 125 RBi - leading the league and a career high.
In 1986 - at age 35 he had 31 HR and 116 RBI
In 1987 at age 36 he had 26 HR and 97 RBI.
The Reds traded him that off-season to the A's for Jose Rijo and he was a huge part of the A's in back-to-back world series runs. He had 22 HR and 97 RBI in 1989 and age 38 and 21 HR and 92 RBI in 1989.

As for his other prominent druggies

Vida Blue won 209 games, won the Cy Young in '71 with a 1.82 ERA and won 17+ games 6 times and peaked at 8.7% of the HOF vote.

Hernandez (nice game, pretty boy) has Berkman-esque numbers minus the homers - .296 average, 2182 hits, 426 doubles, a .821 career OPS, won an MVP, played well in 2 World Series titles, and won ELEVEN gold gloves, and never got more than 10.8% of the vote.

It's a total joke that Raines didn't get in for 9 years. 2,605 hits, .294 career average, 808 stolen bases, led the league in runs twice, in doubles once, won a batting title, four straight years leading the league in steals, SIX straight years with at least 70 steals, .810 career OPS.
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An addendum on Parker - there are a couple of interviews of him talking about being shellshocked the Pirates didn't offer him a contract to come back after 1983 and he took it severely personal.

In 1985 in 6 games at Three Rivers he hit .391 with a 1.283 OPS.
IN 1986 in 6 games at Three Rivers he hit .346 with a 1.246 OPS, 3 HR, and 11 RBI.
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Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:

Thoughts on working a trade with Minnesota to bring Correa back? Saw a random FB article talking about this.
Probably completely bull****, but interesting nonetheless.

Correa for age 30-33 - 4/133 M with vesting options (25, 20, 15, 10 M - all unlikely)
vs
Bregman for age 31-36 - 6/171 M (estimate)

Who do you prefer?


Correa, but only if we are confident he can stay on the field. Both are overpays, but give me the younger player on a shorter contract.
 
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