Who is the real Chazzy Fizz?

2021 .257/.319/.447/.766 (107 OPS+)
2022 .245/.332/.407/.738 (111 OPS+)
2023 .273/.353/.489/.842 (130 OPS+)
2024 .211/.271/.306/.576 (66 OPS+)

-I contend he’s not 2023; but he’s not 2024.
-Hope to hear more meatloaf jargon.pic.twitter.com/giMNr9HnbL

— RobnCypress (@robncypress) January 4, 2025

EastCoastAgNc said:

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My conspiracy theory is that national media overranks the Dodgers’ prospects every year. To inflate trade value. Cartaya was always considered the next “can’t miss” catching prospect, and now he’s DFA’d lol. Just look at the prospects they traded in the Scherzer/Turner trade. https://t.co/mPD4HVcuPJ

— Ryan ⚜️ (@B0ldAndBrash) January 3, 2025

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Ha, I do think there's some truth to that. The only counterpoint I could come up with is catcher specifically is very hard to project. So much value at that position is in the nuance on the defensive side.

Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Who is the real Chazzy Fizz?

2021 .257/.319/.447/.766 (107 OPS+)
2022 .245/.332/.407/.738 (111 OPS+)
2023 .273/.353/.489/.842 (130 OPS+)
2024 .211/.271/.306/.576 (66 OPS+)

-I contend he’s not 2023; but he’s not 2024.
-Hope to hear more meatloaf jargon.pic.twitter.com/giMNr9HnbL

— RobnCypress (@robncypress) January 4, 2025

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I'd take 2022 Chas honestly. That's a solid 7/8 hole hitter

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That would likely be the best 7/8 hitter in all of baseball.

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If you got 2022 Chas in the 7 hole I'd be very confident in that lineup

Altuve
Pena
Alvarez
Walker
Diaz
Peredes
McCormick
(hopeful addition in LF)
Meyers

Farmer1906 said:

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redline248 said:

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tjack16 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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cupcakesprinkles said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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We have agreed to terms with RHP Charlie Morton on a one-year contract for the 2025 season.

Welcome to Birdland, Charlie! pic.twitter.com/QsqvAt3VLf

— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) January 3, 2025

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Good for Charlie Fn Morton. Wasn't he supposed to retire when he left the Astros?

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Houston should retire his number for what he did in game 7 in the ALCS and game 7 of the world series in 2017.

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Nah. But he should go into the Astros HOF for that.

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It'll be interesting to see how many of the 2017-2022 guys go into the Astros HOF. I wonder how selective they will be

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Altuve is in, no matter what. Springer, probably. Less sure about Correa and Bregman, but those are likely the only ones.

Verlander? Maybe

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The HOF vs the Astros HOF are very different.

They inducted Caminiti. I loved him but he sets the bar pretty damn low.

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See, I didn't know what the bar was for the team's hall

Nope. https://t.co/zxvU1YgCmE

— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) January 4, 2025

If we could get .245-250 from Chas and .230-235 from Jake, with both hitting 15-20 HRs, I'd be ecstatic. I think a rebound is in order for Chas. Jake needs to improve his 2-strike approach. He was absolutely trash once he got two strikes on him.

I wonder how much pride, on both sides, is involved at this point?

Perhaps a little humility, on both sides, would go a long way.

The #BlueJays have extended a contract offer to Anthony Santander, while the #Astros don't appear to be vying for the slugger's services: https://t.co/9juftv0Qmy pic.twitter.com/7RnW0lyu0s

— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 4, 2025

iBrad said:

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If we could get .245-250 from Chas and .230-235 from Jake, with both hitting 15-20 HRs, I'd be ecstatic. I think a rebound is in order for Chas. Jake needs to improve his 2-strike approach. He was absolutely trash once he got two strikes on him.

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No official stat, but I can't imagine another hitter in baseball who fell behind 0-2 as many times as Jake did. It was comical at times. The last 2 months of the season, it was close to 3 times a game.

mwm said:

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I wonder how much pride, on both sides, is involved at this point?

Perhaps a little humility, on both sides, would go a long way.

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I doubt it's much on our side, more of a question of where he fits now that we have effectively moved on. We don't need a 3B and are at the luxury tax limit.

Ag4life80 said:

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iBrad said:

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If we could get .245-250 from Chas and .230-235 from Jake, with both hitting 15-20 HRs, I'd be ecstatic. I think a rebound is in order for Chas. Jake needs to improve his 2-strike approach. He was absolutely trash once he got two strikes on him.

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No official stat, but I can't imagine another hitter in baseball who fell behind 0-2 as many times as Jake did. It was comical at times. The last 2 months of the season, it was close to 3 times a game.

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Abreu was the most amazing guy at finding himself down 0-2

Meyers 2024 8.8% of plate appearances he started 0-2. 513 pas

Abreu 2024 -14.3%
Abreu 2023 - 13.0%
Abreu 2022 - 10.3%
Abreu 2021 - 11.7%

redline248 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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redline248 said:

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tjack16 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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cupcakesprinkles said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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We have agreed to terms with RHP Charlie Morton on a one-year contract for the 2025 season.

Welcome to Birdland, Charlie! pic.twitter.com/QsqvAt3VLf

— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) January 3, 2025

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Good for Charlie Fn Morton. Wasn't he supposed to retire when he left the Astros?

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Houston should retire his number for what he did in game 7 in the ALCS and game 7 of the world series in 2017.

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Nah. But he should go into the Astros HOF for that.

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It'll be interesting to see how many of the 2017-2022 guys go into the Astros HOF. I wonder how selective they will be

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Altuve is in, no matter what. Springer, probably. Less sure about Correa and Bregman, but those are likely the only ones.

Verlander? Maybe

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The HOF vs the Astros HOF are very different.

They inducted Caminiti. I loved him but he sets the bar pretty damn low.

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See, I didn't know what the bar was for the team's hall

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I think the Astros Hall of Fame is basically about ownership, fan, and former player feelings, marketing, and merch. Actually baseball production falls after that.

Craig Biggio was really close to Caminiti and so was Bagwell. I bet they lobbied hard to get Ken in, who was also a fan favorite. So, it isn't baseball prowess that got Caminiti in, but the two most famous Astros lobbying.

For this reason, I bet Darryl Kile gets in.

Verlander (Crane will put him in), Altuve, and Yordan are locks for Astros Hall.

Springer is probable as it appears fans/management are the least bothered on how he left and he was a World Series mvp.

I think with who Bregman signs with and what he says about his time with the Astros will strongly influence his Astro hall chances.

Correa is the hardest to read.

But then again Altuve could lobby for any of those guys, fan sentiment wants them, or a 2017 anniversary class event puts some or all in.

The real dark horse is Yuli. Who I could see especially if there is a big anniversary for the 2017 World Series team.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they just put the WS winning teams in as a whole and side step this issue.

In this scenario, Verlander/Altuve/Yordan would also be inducted as individual players.

Say in 2037 for the 20th anniversary for the 2017 team and 2042 for the 2022 team?

astros4545 said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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redline248 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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redline248 said:

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tjack16 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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cupcakesprinkles said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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We have agreed to terms with RHP Charlie Morton on a one-year contract for the 2025 season.

Welcome to Birdland, Charlie! pic.twitter.com/QsqvAt3VLf

— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) January 3, 2025

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Good for Charlie Fn Morton. Wasn't he supposed to retire when he left the Astros?

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Houston should retire his number for what he did in game 7 in the ALCS and game 7 of the world series in 2017.

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Nah. But he should go into the Astros HOF for that.

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It'll be interesting to see how many of the 2017-2022 guys go into the Astros HOF. I wonder how selective they will be

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Altuve is in, no matter what. Springer, probably. Less sure about Correa and Bregman, but those are likely the only ones.

Verlander? Maybe

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The HOF vs the Astros HOF are very different.

They inducted Caminiti. I loved him but he sets the bar pretty damn low.

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See, I didn't know what the bar was for the team's hall

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I think the Astros Hall of Fame is basically about ownership, fan, and former player feelings, marketing, and merch. Actually baseball production falls after that.

Craig Biggio was really close to Caminiti and so was Bagwell. I bet they lobbied hard to get Ken in, who was also a fan favorite. So, it isn't baseball prowess that got Caminiti in, but the two most famous Astros lobbying.

For this reason, I bet Darryl Kile gets in.

Verlander (Crane will put him in), Altuve, and Yordan are locks for Astros Hall.

Springer is probable as it appears fans/management are the least bothered on how he left and he was a World Series mvp.

I think with who Bregman signs with and what he says about his time with the Astros will strongly influence his Astro hall chances.

Correa is the hardest to read.

But then again Altuve could lobby for any of those guys, fan sentiment wants them, or a 2017 anniversary class event puts some or all in.

The real dark horse is Yuli. Who I could see especially if there is a big anniversary for the 2017 World Series team.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they just put the WS winning teams in as a whole and side step this issue.

In this scenario, Verlander/Altuve/Yordan would also be inducted as individual players.

Say in 2037 for the 20th anniversary for the 2017 team and 2042 for the 2022 team?

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And in 2045?

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And in 2045.

Why do I keep seeing stories about Bregman coming back?

https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/houston-astros-predicted-to-re-sign-fan-favorite-to-mammoth-175-million-deal

EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

Ag_07 said:

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Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

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These aren't things that could just randomly come true all at the same time by happenstance....

Ag_07 said:

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Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

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That plan would be to pay luxury tax…which Crane supposedly really doesn't want to do. They have a plan for where to play those three guys, but not a plan to sign all three without going over the luxury tax threshold.

Ag_07 said:

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Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

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My source told me so. And he's lock solid so let's do it. Trust the process

Mathguy64 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Jeff Bagwell 91-95
26.6 WAR
148 wRC+
113 HR
469 RBI
2975 PA

Yordan Alvarez 19-24
23.3 WAR
166 wRC+
164 HR
466 RBI
2668 PA

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How much of that 91-95 Bagwell data set if from that 94 season? That partial season was the greatest RHH season I have ever seen. Without the broken hand and strike it would have assaulted the record books in ways never seen.

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It is a staggering exercise in what-ifs. The season ended after 113 games, Bagwell had played 110.

Simple stat projections to 162 games for him
573 AB
149 runs scored
211 hits
46 doubles
56 HR
166 RBI
22 SB
93 BB
93 K
.368 / .451 / . 750

The all-time bummer of the season is that the strike cost Tony Gwynn a legit shot at .400. The Padres had played 117 games and he was hitting .394

Gwynn was on pace for 228 hits. He entered August hitting .385 and had started the month hitting .475 through 10 games (19 for 40).

He missed the last two games after the broken hand and before the strike. If you prorate it at 110 games instead of 113 it's even more amazing.

It would have been greatest RHH seasons of all times. He projected to be the only hitter to have 216 hits, 57 HR, 153 runs scored and 171 RBI. Nobody has ever had that combo of those 4 stats ever. His OPS+ was. 216. At the time only Hornsby has ever gotten that high.

txags92 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

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That plan would be to pay luxury tax…which Crane supposedly really doesn't want to do. They have a plan for where to play those three guys, but not a plan to sign all three without going over the luxury tax threshold.

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Deferred payment to Bregs and also prorated every year so his pay starts around the third week of May

The Porkchop Express said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Jeff Bagwell 91-95
26.6 WAR
148 wRC+
113 HR
469 RBI
2975 PA

Yordan Alvarez 19-24
23.3 WAR
166 wRC+
164 HR
466 RBI
2668 PA

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How much of that 91-95 Bagwell data set if from that 94 season? That partial season was the greatest RHH season I have ever seen. Without the broken hand and strike it would have assaulted the record books in ways never seen.

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It is a staggering exercise in what-ifs. The season ended after 113 games, Bagwell had played 110.

Simple stat projections to 162 games for him
573 AB
149 runs scored
211 hits
46 doubles
56 HR
166 RBI
22 SB
93 BB
93 K
.368 / .451 / . 750

The all-time bummer of the season is that the strike cost Tony Gwynn a legit shot at .400. The Padres had played 117 games and he was hitting .394

Gwynn was on pace for 228 hits. He entered August hitting .385 and had started the month hitting .475 through 10 games (19 for 40).

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The 94 strike may have also very well ended the Expos dynasty before it had a chance to begin. 30 years later, it still turns my stomach.

n_touch said:

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txags92 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Bag said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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One idiot writes a story not knowing what he's talking about where he says he'll sign her and all the AI aggregators pick it up

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It literally makes no sense given all the moves we have made.

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Except the Astros did have a plan if they landed Paredes, Walker, and Bregman.

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That plan would be to pay luxury tax…which Crane supposedly really doesn't want to do. They have a plan for where to play those three guys, but not a plan to sign all three without going over the luxury tax threshold.

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Deferred payment to Bregs and also prorated every year so his pay starts around the third week of May

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Impossible. Only the dodgers are capable of deferred money apparently