*****Official Texas Rangers World Series Title Defense Thread***** [Staff Warning]

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In reply to South Platte • 6:39p, 10/1/24
South Platte said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
I think CY knows exactly what happened. Boras was hell bent on getting a six year deal for Montgomery and all thirty teams said no thanks to that. Then Boras got fired and Montgomery got the short term deal with Arizona. I don't remember if it happened in that order or not though.

If I'm the Rangers, I would offer Montgomery a two year deal for a much lower amount than he made this year. I'm not really sure what that number would be, but it would be reflective of his performance this season
We know the media story behind Monty and Boras and the lifetime contract he wanted.

Maybe Monty comes clean with CY without his stupid agent sitting there orchestrating all the BS. Monty needs to explain this season before we offer anything. If he doesn't own this he'll spend the rest of his career as a 7th inning guy for Colorado.


Boras cost him up to $100M. That will get you fired most places.
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10:00p, 10/1/24
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Except it's been reported that he turns down a Boston offer because he was waiting on our TV deal.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 7:42a, 10/2/24
DallasAg 94 said:
A reminder where we are:

deGrom ($40M/$37MCBT), Mahle ($16.5M/$11M CBT), Gray ($13M/$14CBT), Dunning (Arb2), Bradford (Serf)
Option Eovaldi ($20M)
40: Winn, White, Leiter, Rocker

Losses: Scherzer, Heaney, Urena
Others: Lorenzen

I don't consider any of them to be a lock for 150+ IP in 2025.

Do we know how much is falling off from those losses?
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 7:57a, 10/2/24
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Not bad. Pick up a solid 2 and we should be fine.
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In reply to CowtownAg06 • 9:22a, 10/2/24
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Except it's been reported that he turns down a Boston offer because he was waiting on our TV deal.
I haven't heard/seen that he turned down a Boston offer waiting for our TV deal. I thought it was that he was offered 4 years and was waiting to get a 6 year deal.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 9:26a, 10/2/24
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Just a reminder that really rich people can say and do really stupid *****

Absolutely zero upside to making those comments about Montgomery.
Actually, there is a $20M upside.

Montgomery has a $20M Player Option that vested for 2025. It required him to get 10 GS in 2024.

Based on his 2024 numbers, there is a 99% chance Monty takes the $20M for 2025. By disparaging him, the owner is likely trying to ensure Montgomery feels unwelcomed in order to decline the option.

If Monty takes the $20M... the owner's only real option is to trade him, IMO.
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9:37a, 10/2/24
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https://nypost.com/2024/09/12/sports/ex-yankee-jordan-montgomery-could-have-played-for-red-sox/

ETA: It's from John Heyman, who I think has always been Boras's guy. It maybe Boras trying to deflect blame to Monty on why he didn't get a better deal.
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In reply to MrCoachEricTaylor • 9:41a, 10/2/24
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DallasAg 94 said:
A reminder where we are:

deGrom ($40M/$37MCBT), Mahle ($16.5M/$11M CBT), Gray ($13M/$14CBT), Dunning (Arb2), Bradford (Serf)
Option Eovaldi ($20M)
40: Winn, White, Leiter, Rocker

Losses: Scherzer, Heaney, Urena
Others: Lorenzen

I don't consider any of them to be a lock for 150+ IP in 2025.

Do we know how much is falling off from those losses?
Financially? Yes. I use COTS.

Scherzer: $13M
Heaney: $13M/$12.5CBT <- Incentives ($5M) not included.
Lorenzen: $4.5M <- Additional incentives $1.25 pro-rated
Urena: $1.75M

It includes CBT and 2025 projected numbers. $165M CBT commit (includes $20M for Eovaldi) on a projected $241M number. Add in Arbs and Serfs. About $75M to spend. And doesn't include Robertson's Option.

We also lose Leclerc and Yates.

If Carter (OF), Kumar (SP), and Church (RP) can solidify roles... and the Rangers are comfortable with Smith and Duran... Our needs are likely a 2nd Catcher, another SP (or 2), and some RP.

There are some roles we could upgrade, but guys like Taveras and Adolis are just as viable as improvements in '25 over '24 as bringing in someone. I don't think we were as far away from the playoffs as it felt all season.
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In reply to CowtownAg06 • 9:51a, 10/2/24
We'll probably never know the whole story. It could be the case he was waiting.

I do know this... there were many of us who believed the Rangers needed to get the Bally's thing resolved in order to sign Monty... and I think many of us thought it was eminent.

I also know that when the Rangers signed Mahle on Dec 14, 2023... any thought the Rangers were still in on Monty went away. There just wasn't enough CBT room for a big deal.

The Rangers then spent the bulk of what they had on Robertson ($11M) in Jan.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 9:53a, 10/2/24
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I think the biggest addition to the 2025 lineup will come in the form of Wyatt Langford no longer being a rookie. He has figured out this league now. We should get a full season of his potential production, barring injury. What a hedged sentence that was!

Getting Evan Carter back healthy again is a massive addition. I'll hedge that one as well.
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10:00a, 10/2/24
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Here is a DMN writeup on the contract status of each player heading into the offseason:

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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 10:25a, 10/2/24
DallasAg 94 said:
A reminder where we are:

deGrom ($40M/$37MCBT), Mahle ($16.5M/$11M CBT), Gray ($13M/$14CBT), Dunning (Arb2), Bradford (Serf)
Option Eovaldi ($20M)
40: Winn, White, Leiter, Rocker

Losses: Scherzer, Heaney, Urena
Others: Lorenzen

I don't consider any of them to be a lock for 150+ IP in 2025.
Most of those guys seem to get injured getting out of bed. This year was a major whiff by CY in assembling a starting rotation. I wouldn't count on Mahle to do anything other than work the snack bar. Our bullpen was delightfully low drama. Looks like there are a number of solid #2-#3 starters available on free agency in Fried, Severino, Manaea, Yamaguchi, and Burnes. I'd love any of them.

Top priority: trade Jung. Smith needs to play everyday. Let him and Duran figure out 3B and SS and sometimes let Seager rest as DH.

Sign Juan Soto. Don't care what it takes. This kid gives us the potential to win multiple titles and go down as the greatest Ranger in franchise history. I know it's risky, but no different than Tatis or Judge.

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In reply to South Platte • 10:29a, 10/2/24
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Can't wait to see the reaction you get for this post.
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In reply to South Platte • 10:33a, 10/2/24
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You lost me at "trade Jung". I have no idea why you would do that. Because he's injury prone? So you want to trade a 26 year old that has played at an all-star level during possibly his lowest trade value point.

And I think CY did an outstanding job of putting together a starting rotation. I don't really like the Mahle signing, but he went out and got Lorenzen and Urena for nothing. It looked like the plan was to have 7-8 potential starters getting us to the trade deadline and then Mahle and DeGrom would come on for the stretch run. It didn't work out that way, but not sure what else he could have done when they had no idea what type of tv revenue they had to work with. I think he did about as well as he could.

And they are getting back under the CBT to reset the penalty box. No go on Juan Soto, unfortunately.
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In reply to South Platte • 10:33a, 10/2/24
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That might work on XBOX or a fantasy league, but that's utterly unrealistic in the real world
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In reply to South Platte • 10:43a, 10/2/24
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You snuck some of grapdesoda's stash. Thats the only explanation for this post
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In reply to Water Boy • 10:45a, 10/2/24
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Can't wait to see the reaction you get for this post.
This is me drooling over Juan Soto.




This is CY trading Jung for a player we can actually use 150 games a year.





Sorry boys, I'm just sick of waiting on injured players to get off the couch.

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10:53a, 10/2/24
Of any of our regular starters should be traded, it starts and end (imho) with

Lowe
Taverna's

Lowe just does not provide the power MLB teams need from 1B. Not sure what he could bring in trade though.

And with Carter and Langford, Taverna's has become expendable. Taverna's has a lot more marketability as MLB ready center fielders are at a premium.
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10:54a, 10/2/24
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Taveras
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:59a, 10/2/24
fc2112 said:
Of any of our regular starters should be traded, it starts and end (imho) with

Lowe
Taverna's

Lowe just does not provide the power MLB teams need from 1B. Not sure what he could bring in trade though.

And with Carter and Langford, Taverna's has become expendable. Taverna's has a lot more marketability as MLB ready center fielders are at a premium.
We move Taveras only because Langford, Carter, Garcia, and Soto fill up our OF. I still like Taveras.
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In reply to South Platte • 10:59a, 10/2/24

https://www.mlb.com/news/juan-soto-free-agency-discussion

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Feinsand: Let's say the Yankees offer Soto 10 years and $500 million -- which, based on my conversations around the league, seems to be the expected floor -- and the Mets come back at $550 million, will Hal Steinbrenner go there? That's almost $200 million more than they gave Judge.
He'll be 26 to start the season and above is where you are looking to insert the Rangers. My emphasis.

Now, if you are guaranteed Rocker inserts as a #2/3 SP, and you can trade Adolis ($9.2M/$7MCBT), Gray ($13/14), AND Eovaldi accepts his $20M vOpt... AND Langford doesn't hit a "Soph Slump" AND guaranteed Jung stays healthy... then you know you can join the conversation.

The owner of the NYMets has indicated he is willing to spend whatever he wants. He paid $30M in '24 to have Scherzer on the Rangers' roster and another $31M for Verlander to be on the Astros' roster.

The Mets were at $356M in CBT for '24 (Rangers at like $250M) and they will be at $152M to start the off-season.
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In reply to fc2112 • 11:07a, 10/2/24
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fc2112 said:
Of any of our regular starters should be traded, it starts and end (imho) with

Lowe
Taverna's

Lowe just does not provide the power MLB teams need from 1B. Not sure what he could bring in trade though.

And with Carter and Langford, Taverna's has become expendable. Taverna's has a lot more marketability as MLB ready center fielders are at a premium.


I get where you're coming from with Lowe but he was our 2nd most productive offensive player this year with .762 OPS IIRC.

Is there a lot of talent to be desired out of him? Of course but out of all the problems we had this season, I'd like to think he's pretty close to the bottom of the list
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 11:11a, 10/2/24
DallasAg 94 said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/juan-soto-free-agency-discussion

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Feinsand: Let's say the Yankees offer Soto 10 years and $500 million -- which, based on my conversations around the league, seems to be the expected floor -- and the Mets come back at $550 million, will Hal Steinbrenner go there? That's almost $200 million more than they gave Judge.
He'll be 26 to start the season and above is where you are looking to insert the Rangers. My emphasis.

Now, if you are guaranteed Rocker inserts as a #2/3 SP, and you can trade Adolis ($9.2M/$7MCBT), Gray ($13/14), AND Eovaldi accepts his $20M vOpt... AND Langford doesn't hit a "Soph Slump" AND guaranteed Jung stays healthy... then you know you can join the conversation.

The owner of the NYMets has indicated he is willing to spend whatever he wants. He paid $30M in '24 to have Scherzer on the Rangers' roster and another $31M for Verlander to be on the Astros' roster.

The Mets were at $356M in CBT for '24 (Rangers at like $250M) and they will be at $152M to start the off-season.
Rangers need to seize the opportunity to be DFW's lead singer while Jerry and Stephen scuffle around looking like Buford T. Justice and Junior. Soto gives us that stage. Multiple titles with a generational player. Double ticket prices. Mr. Gigem cashes in on premium sales and moves to Highland Park.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees this.
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In reply to South Platte • 11:18a, 10/2/24
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Please tell me you don't actually believe that's how these things work
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In reply to rbtexan • 11:34a, 10/2/24
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Please tell me you don't actually believe that's how these things work
Why not? How is this different than signing Seager? We were in the running to sign Ohtani until December when it went above $500m. Soto is 4 years younger than Ohtani. This is a nobrainer.
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11:41a, 10/2/24
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The tv deal seems to be a very important factor when it comes to spending money on free agents. Unless the Rangers sign a 10 year deal giving us 150 million a year, I don't see us being in the Soto conversation.
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In reply to Water Boy • 11:47a, 10/2/24
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Water Boy said:
The tv deal seems to be a very important factor when it comes to spending money on free agents. Unless the Rangers sign a 10 year deal giving us 150 million a year, I don't see us being in the Soto conversation.


To your point, if the Rangers are starting their own RSN, it may be a few years until we have reliable TV money. Not sure how long it takes to stand up a network. Could they buy Bally's infrastructure? Start from scratch? I have no clue.

I would think revenue would come from advertising (obviuosly) and they already own the media rights so it would be a right pocket/left pocket thing. But how long will all of this take?
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In reply to Water Boy • 11:58a, 10/2/24
Water Boy said:
The tv deal seems to be a very important factor when it comes to spending money on free agents. Unless the Rangers sign a 10 year deal giving us 150 million a year, I don't see us being in the Soto conversation.
Sure. Is this a chicken and egg conversation? Does signing Soto drive the TV deal instead of waiting on the TV network and then figure out how to spend the spare scraps. A 10 year deal with Soto coincides with the TV network deal.

The Astros went through this last year and absolutely took a bath on TV revenue going with a RSN.
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12:04p, 10/2/24
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You are conveniently leaving out that the Rangers are not going above the CBT this year. And they are smart to not do that, particularly if it's the uncertainty of the tv revenue situation.

Juan Soto does not significantly increase tickets sales or ad revenue above what the Rangers already draw. Baseball fans already watch the games and non-baseball fans don't know who the f Juan Soto is:
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In reply to South Platte • 12:09p, 10/2/24
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Why not? How is this different than signing Seager?

It's completely different. Take a look back at what the payroll was back when Seager signed. No Semien, no deGrom - there's a whole lot more money on the books now than there was then. Come on, man.


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We were in the running to sign Ohtani until December when it went above $500m.

According to who? I haven't seen any credible info that says that's accurate - if someone can produce it, I'll recant this statement - but all I ever saw was message board speculation and false hope.


The Rangers aren't going to sign Soto. Especially with the TV deal/money being such a complete unknown. They've said repeatedly they want to get under the CB number, this would blow that out of the water. Sure, I'd love to have him, but there's such a thing as being realistic. And that's a pipe dream.
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 12:17p, 10/2/24
Flounder Dorfman said:
Juan Soto does not significantly increase tickets sales or ad revenue above what the Rangers already draw. Baseball fans already watch the games and non-baseball fans don't know who the f Juan Soto is:

This.

Ohtani probably the only player in baseball that would significantly increase sales and revenue for an already WS-caliber team.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 12:28p, 10/2/24
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Yep. I had him and maybe Aaron Judge on my list. And there is a huge gap between those two.
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1:15p, 10/2/24
Alright, then I don't want to see one post *****ing about Taveras or Garcia this offseason. Both guys play their balls off and played in 150 games+ at laughably low salaries. The rest of our roster could only dream of being so durable.
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1:17p, 10/2/24
If Mr. Gigem is "movin' on up" anywhere, it's to Southlake.
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Close! Most likely Grapevine
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