rbtexan said:

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So....anybody still ready to send Langford down to AAA?


I couldn't help myself, I had to be 'that guy'.

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Hey, I'll admit that was me. Apparently Langford reads Texags, and he got his butt in gear. Up to that point it was alarming how poor his hitting/power had been.

He's had a good week - he needs about 12 more just like them.

Yep. And I'm going to keep beating this drum until everybody gets it....it is a huge, huge jump from the minors to the majors. If you are expecting a rookie, any rookie, to come up and instantly be a force in the lineup on a consistent basis, you're unrealistic and you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Here's a rookie season for you... .264 BA, 16 HR, 61 RBI, .329 OBP, 420 SLG, .728 OPS

That was Ken Griffey Jr.

You put them in the lineup and let them figure it out. Guess what, they're going to struggle. They're going to have stretches where they look like they don't belong. You just stick with them and let them play through it. If they don't figure it out over a season or season & a half, then you do a reset.

Again, that's why I expressed concerns about counting on two rookies as much as we are (Langford and Carter). Injury aside, Carter was going to have an adjustment period too. Those two are 22 and 21 years old respectively and you have to always remember that.

Flounder Dorfman said:

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No he doesn't need 12 more like this week.

He's a 22 year old rookie figuring out MLB. There has been no reason to send him down, as evidenced by the fact that he has not only not been sent down, but started the entire time he's been healthy.

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Actually, yes he does. We need him to give us that level of production. A home run a week puts him at 15 for the season. If we're going to start someone every game that's what is expected.

And for the Griffey comparison, it's not fair to compare anyone to Griffey! He was 19 when he put up those rookie numbers. One of the all-time best OF in baseball history.

Just heard some clips from Max's post-game.

He gives the impression that he isn't out of the woods, yet.

He said from a baseball perspective he was fine and felt he needed to go back out.

But, like most of us... he said let's see how he feels today. CYoung is on The Fan at 4:25p, today and they said they will be asking about him.

As the radio said, with this being a contract year, he won't want to jeopardize his career, and if the Rangers are considering bringing him back, they certainly don't want to risk anything.

Max indicated since there isn't any breaks, he'll need to be ready on his 5 days and not going any deeper last night was part of that.

There was suggestion by the radio guys (and I agree)... it might be a situation where you skip him every other GS and let Dunning take it. I like that idea because you do give Dunning the continued GS, but also reduce his workload. As mentioned, he started developing a pitch in the offseason.

You start getting Max going 5-6 IP/GS every 10th day. He'll be great (rested and healthy) for the Post-Season. With his 1st GS, they'll want to bring Max back slowly.

Translation:

Scherzer still calls the shots on his workload, but; is being encouraged by leadership to take a more cautious approach.

Scherzer’s mindset this year is much different due to nerves + thumb issue and due to maturity- age related. 💯

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El Bombi parked a fastball

M's lose again

Natural turf is overrated. Artificial turf is where it's at.

God bless Latz

Just saw the pitch. That was as piped as a pitch could be lol.

fc2112 said:

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Natural turf is overrated. Artificial turf is where it's at.

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Wrong

Blown opportunity to gain a game in the division

fc2112 said:

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Natural turf is overrated. Artificial turf is where it's at.

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Bleh. You are correct though for high school and below.

I mean we just won a World Series with an artificial home turf. User name checks out though.

You have to remember GLF is not a baseball stadium, but a "Special Events Center."

81 H baseball games along with a couple pre-season/exhibitions. Post-season.

365 days...

Surprised nobody was questioning the move by Bochy to bring in Latz. I think Lorenzen was doing ok and he should've let him fight out of the jam.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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Surprised nobody was questioning the move by Bochy to bring in Latz. I think Lorenzen was doing ok and he should've let him fight out of the jam.

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Hadn't Latz been lights out lately though? Hard to question that.

How likely is it in the next 5-10 years that MLB FA Agent Contracts will be structured where most of the compensation is performance / incentive based like the NFL?

Crazy to me this season the amount of money guaranteed that is going absolutely nowhere in today's game.

bmac_aggie18 said:

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How likely is it in the next 5-10 years that MLB FA Agent Contracts will be structured where most of the compensation is performance / incentive based like the NFL?

Crazy to me this season the amount of money guaranteed that is going absolutely nowhere in today's game.

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0% chance unfortunately

Yeah, probably a 0% on that one, but I do think we're going to see some vets forced to either take much smaller term contracts or they'll simply be aged out. The days of 30+ year olds getting 5+ year deals feels like its quickly coming to an end.

WestTexasAg said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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Surprised nobody was questioning the move by Bochy to bring in Latz. I think Lorenzen was doing ok and he should've let him fight out of the jam.

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Hadn't Latz been lights out lately though? Hard to question that.

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I think it was too early. Isn't latz used to pitching 7th or later?

Tksymm7 said:

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Yeah, probably a 0% on that one, but I do think we're going to see some vets forced to either take much smaller term contracts or they'll simply be aged out. The days of 30+ year olds getting 5+ year deals feels like its quickly coming to an end.

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Yeah definitely see that already happening. Any reason why it's 0%? Maybe I missed something CBA related or the fact that baseball is such a mental game in general

I just think baseball players are as spoiled as spoiled can get contract wise, and have been getting guaranteed contracts for way to long. I just don't foresee a scenario where they their contracts are more incentive based than guaranteed.

CBAs are only getting more player-friendly in this era. Any CBA proposal that ends guaranteed contracts is DOA from the player perspective.

You could also argue that pitchers are trying to throw harder and with more spin rate than ever because they know they are guaranteed the money, They would say if you take away the guarantees then guys will just try to not get injured and their performance would take a dip.

MLB guys also have to wait the longest with sustained success to get the big payday.

Currently it takes 3-4 yrs from being drafted to making your debut in MLB.

From there, the team has 3 Serf @ league minimum... then 3 years of Arbitration years. The 3 Serf years are to balance out the 3-4years of team investment cost in 50+ drafted players.

Arbitration are more middle ground in terms of cost. More balanced.

So, by the time a player gets to FA in MLB... you are looking at 8 +/- years from being drafted.

27-33 is usually considered a players prime. So, a kid drafted out of HS is hitting his prime in the middle of FA.

Boras, et AL, have worked this magic of getting a guy at say 31, with 2 yrs of prime... to get locked in for 6... 8... 10 yrs. So, you get the 2 great yrs... and washed the rest.

Teams are willing to take what they can after 35... to get the 31 and 32 yo player.

Teams like the Braves, the Bobby Witt Jr. contract and more I can't think of off the top of my head, are also trying to reset the market some in this regard, so-to-speak. They recognize that they have superstar players and are okay paying them more (but not huge) now than have to pay them 4x at 29. This obviously doesn't work for everyone, but it's nice to see.