***** 2024 Houston Astros Season Thread ***** [Staff Warning]

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superaggie73 said:

BCEDAg said:

Who is the best hitting coach in the business? I haven't heard anyone in particular that is a can't miss hitting guru that the Astros could go after if they ever dismissed Cintron and/or Snitker.
Years ago Rudy Jaramillo was considered a top notch hitting coach. Just don't hear that much anymore about these with excellent reputations.



There is a guy named Mike Earley that is highly regarded.
Have you read Fightin' Texas Aggie game threads? There is even more weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth about the Aggies approach at the plate than we see on this thread.
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I was going to write a long post about this later but happened to see this just a second ago.

I think a lot of you really overestimate what a big league hitting coach does. Not faulting you obviously- but this is a good watch/listen.
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here's another huge difference between 2022 and 2024

who got the RISP at-bats in those seasons?

2022 top 5:

145 - Tucker
135 - Bregman
122 - Yuli
118 - Yordan
110 - Pena

2024 top 5:

159 - Yainer
148 - Pena
139 - Bregman
132 - Jake...what?
124 - Altuve

Yordan was not in the top 5 on the team in RISP at-bats -- something went wrong with the batting order

by the way...Altuve posted .900 OPS w/RISP last year
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Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4
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Joe bats Yordan 2nd, because he likes to I guess…
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gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.
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W said:

here's another huge difference between 2022 and 2024

who got the RISP at-bats in those seasons?

2022 top 5:

145 - Tucker
135 - Bregman
122 - Yuli
118 - Yordan
110 - Pena

2024 top 5:

159 - Yainer
148 - Pena
139 - Bregman
132 - Jake...what?
124 - Altuve

Yordan was not in the top 5 on the team in RISP at-bats -- something went wrong with the batting order

by the way...Altuve posted .900 OPS w/RISP last year


Looks like we had more opportunities this year.
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Gdit cleveland
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Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong
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TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


The ones that look at entire datasets and not part of one example.
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Putrid
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How many risp did we leave
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TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong
How many games in that 40-44 record did Tucker not even play?
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TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


Never understood Yordan batting 2nd
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gambochaman said:

How many risp did we leave




Must have been a Framber meltdown day
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TBS just showed a ohtani vs judge commercial

Not even trying to hide it

VOMIT
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tjack16 said:

TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


Never understood Yordan batting 2nd
Did you also not understand Ohtani batting 1st or 2nd all year? Witt hit 2nd all year. Freaking Kyle Schwarber bat leadoff all year, and he struck out 196 times while doing it.

Traditional way of looking at lineups aren't that important.
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redline248 said:

tjack16 said:

TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


Never understood Yordan batting 2nd
Did you also not understand Ohtani batting 1st or 2nd all year? Witt hit 2nd all year. Freaking Kyle Schwarber bat leadoff all year, and he struck out 196 times while doing it.

Traditional way of looking at lineups aren't that important.


Your argument doesn't really compute with Ohtani and Witt. Ohtani just stole 50 bases, and Witt is probably one of the fastest guys on his team. They both make sense as a leadoff or number two hitter.

Schwarber is the closest comparison, but I also think hitting leadoff would be bad for Yordan as well

I would've been a fan of Tucker hitting second and Yordan third. That's what I would've done.
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Screw the Yankees .. that is all
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tjack16 said:

redline248 said:

tjack16 said:

TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


Never understood Yordan batting 2nd
Did you also not understand Ohtani batting 1st or 2nd all year? Witt hit 2nd all year. Freaking Kyle Schwarber bat leadoff all year, and he struck out 196 times while doing it.

Traditional way of looking at lineups aren't that important.


Your argument doesn't really compute with Ohtani and Witt. Ohtani just stole 50 bases, and Witt is probably one of the fastest guys on his team. They both make sense as a leadoff or number two hitter.

Schwarber is the closest comparison, but I also think hitting leadoff would be bad for Yordan as well

I would've been a fan of Tucker hitting second and Yordan third. That's what I would've done.


Soto? Correa? Seager? Tatis? Turner? Reynolds? Betts (when Ohtani wasn't). Not exactly a who's who of SB fiends in the 2 hole. All with arguments as the best hitter or one of the best few hitters in their team.

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gambochaman said:

TBS just showed a ohtani vs judge commercial

Not even trying to hide it

VOMIT
How dare they hype the guy who had the best power / speed combo season of all time against the guy who hit 60 HR last year!
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Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

redline248 said:

tjack16 said:

TarponChaser said:

Farmer1906 said:

gambochaman said:

Tucker and yordan need to bat 3/4


I prefer 1/2.


They were 42-24 with Bregman hitting second, 40-44 with either Tucker or Alvarez there.

They score 5.27 runs a game with Bregman 2nd, under 5 with the other 2.

What analytics are we talking about, because they're wrong


Never understood Yordan batting 2nd
Did you also not understand Ohtani batting 1st or 2nd all year? Witt hit 2nd all year. Freaking Kyle Schwarber bat leadoff all year, and he struck out 196 times while doing it.

Traditional way of looking at lineups aren't that important.


Your argument doesn't really compute with Ohtani and Witt. Ohtani just stole 50 bases, and Witt is probably one of the fastest guys on his team. They both make sense as a leadoff or number two hitter.

Schwarber is the closest comparison, but I also think hitting leadoff would be bad for Yordan as well

I would've been a fan of Tucker hitting second and Yordan third. That's what I would've done.


Soto? Correa? Seager? Tatis? Turner? Reynolds? Betts (when Ohtani wasn't). Not exactly a who's who of SB fiends in the 2 hole. All with arguments as the best hitter or one of the best few hitters in their team.




All I said was, I don't understand it, and I personally wouldn't do it. Doesn't mean anybody is wrong and it doesn't mean anybody's right. Just simply stated I would not have done it. Also, the comparison was Ohtani, Witt and Schwarber. One of those is not like the others in terms of speed.

I would want Yordan up with as many people on base as possible given how we suck with runners in scoring position and he's one of the few clutch guys on the team.
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While none of us want to see this occur, who would you least hate to win a WS between the Dodgers and Yankees? I know the random meteor or other apocalyptic event would garner 98% as a write-in candidate, but just between those teams. I'd have to say Dodgers as the lesser of evils.
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Dodgers. I've hated the Yankees far longer than I've hated the Dodgers.
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Marvin said:

While none of us want to see this occur, who would you least hate to win a WS between the Dodgers and Yankees? I know the random meteor or other apocalyptic event would garner 98% as a write-in candidate, but just between those teams. I'd have to say Dodgers as the lesser of evils.


Dodgers. Yankees hate runs deeper and longer

But I think the Yankees would win unfortunately
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For the older guys it will most likely be the Dodgers as the choice to lose given the history.

Plus, it seems more Yankee fans are now giving the Astros their just due since we have beaten them multiple times whereas Dodgers fans are still clinging to the 2017 cheaters theme given we haven't met in the playoffs again.
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absolutely would pull for the Yankees. F the Doyers
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It's definitely an age split. STros and Dodgers were in the same division from 69-93. When the Astros finally starting being a pretty good squad in the late 70s and early 80s, the Dodgers were at the height of their power with the Infinity Infield of Garvey, Lopes, Cey, and Russell. playing almost every game together for 9 years.

From 77-85, the Dodgers won the West 5 times, and the Astros only once. Good guys beat them in a 163rd game playoff that is drastically overlooked by the modern success crowd, but was probably the most important game in franchise history prior to Chris Burkes' NLDS clinching home run in 2004.

Plus they had this MFer in charge.



Around May of '86, LaSorda gave an interview where he told the national media that the Astros were just "renting first place."

The Yankees are a trivia answer - first team to play in the Dome and in Minute Maid. OTher than that, they've been owned by the Astros starting with that combo no-hitter and stretching on to the '15 wild card and all the playoff series wins.

I don't love the Yankees, but I do hate the Dodgers. And I'd much rather see a hard-working, classy guy like Judge win a ring than Gambling Anonymous Poster Child Ohtani, no matter how talented he is.
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For me, I'm 45, my grandma who lived with us until I was in HS, giant Astros fan, hate the Dodgers with a passion. Nobody likes the Yankees either, but couple that old Dodgers hate with all their actions since 2017, to me it's an easy decision.
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I hate the Dodgers way more than the Yankees.

**** Fat Tommy. **** that sanctimonious POS cheater lying Steve Garvey. **** them, Joe Kelly and their holier than thou "we never cheated" BS. They can gobble my crank.
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Only Tommy would wear a Rolex in the dugout.

I honestly hate both the dodgers & the yankees. But maybe the dodgers more.
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I have hated the yankees since I started watching baseball, so I am hoping the guardians pull their heads out
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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The only winner in a Yankees Dodgers WS is WalMart's revenue stream. Either team winning is a loss for humanity.
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I guess I'm the only old who would rather see the Dodgers win, and I do hate me some Tommy Lasagna.
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I like to think of it the other way around.

If they both make it then either way one of those teams and their fanbase is gonna be crushed, laughed at, ridiculed, etc.
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