AgLA06 said:So basically, if you don't make a move over the offseason to trade Tucker, you're most likely still doing it in July for much less in return.1876er said:
You only trade Tucker if you're not in contention next July.
MaxPower said:Tigers just traded their best pitcher and beat us with a bunch of AAA guys who played their ass off. No one should be untradeable.1876er said:
You only trade Tucker if you're not in contention next July.
They're where we were 7 or 8 years ago.dcaggie04 said:MaxPower said:Tigers just traded their best pitcher and beat us with a bunch of AAA guys who played their ass off. No one should be untradeable.1876er said:
You only trade Tucker if you're not in contention next July.
It helps when your AAA guys are actually good.
If you think you still have the bones of a WS-winning caliber lineup to start the season (which I doubt), then yeah hang on to him until it is obvious you don't. I just don't see us replacing Bregman, finding a new 1B, and upgrading at least one of CF/LF during the offseason within Crane's likely budget constraints and still being able to extend the guys we are going to want to extend long-term. So at that point you are playing for one more good year after which you have to rebuild without the young guys you would like to hang on to.Beau Holder said:AgLA06 said:So basically, if you don't make a move over the offseason to trade Tucker, you're most likely still doing it in July for much less in return.1876er said:
You only trade Tucker if you're not in contention next July.
This.
Though to be fair, Tucker is useful from April-June. Letting someone else hold the bag in the playoffs may be how you min-max.
He thinks he's better than he is. Always a dangerous player to have on your roster.Hornbeck said:
I'm betting Pressly will waive that no trade clause. He is one unhappy camper.
We can only hopeHornbeck said:
I'm betting Pressly will waive that no trade clause. He is one unhappy camper.
He should not be untradeable. I'd add to your list of concerns that Altuve sucks defensively and ideally spends half the season as a DH. Given his contract, a mid market team with a great farm like the Orioles should be all over him. After their last two postseason they may be looking to make a push with a proven big league bat. Holliday would be a nice replacement for Bregman…..Bobcat-Ag said:
Call me crazy, but I would not consider Yordan untouchable. He is extremely talented and we have a great contract currently. My concern is the injury history. Does his game age well? Will he be able to play at least half a season going forward? For how long?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade him, these are just the questions I would have as a GM. Then you have to try to project and make a decision. If you can get a great return, I might jump on it and aim to be really competitive in a year or 2.
The Porkchop Express said:
Tip your hat to KAF, the winner of Astros Bingo 2024 with a remarkable 7 out of 10 correct predictions
His winning Bingo Card follows - Correct answers are in BOLD
Jose Abreu returns
LMJ pitches
Ags make the CWS but don't win
Bregman 30+ RBI by the AS Break
Astros have a 5-game win streak
Ranger fans whine about the original bingo thread
Kessinger gets a hit in 2024
Hader gets more than 15 saves
Hader has a 1-2-3 inning at some point
Aggies beat Notre Dame
Will start taking suggestions for a much bigger and better one when Spring Training comes around next year.
Autographed picture of me throwing out the first pitch to Scott Servais in 1992.KAF said:The Porkchop Express said:
Tip your hat to KAF, the winner of Astros Bingo 2024 with a remarkable 7 out of 10 correct predictions
His winning Bingo Card follows - Correct answers are in BOLD
Jose Abreu returns
LMJ pitches
Ags make the CWS but don't win
Bregman 30+ RBI by the AS Break
Astros have a 5-game win streak
Ranger fans whine about the original bingo thread
Kessinger gets a hit in 2024
Hader gets more than 15 saves
Hader has a 1-2-3 inning at some point
Aggies beat Notre Dame
Will start taking suggestions for a much bigger and better one when Spring Training comes around next year.
Where can I pick up my trophy?
The Porkchop Express said:
Every one who picked a player back in March should definitely pen a wee testimonial on how awesome they were this year.
The Porkchop Express said:Autographed picture of me throwing out the first pitch to Scott Servais in 1992.KAF said:The Porkchop Express said:
Tip your hat to KAF, the winner of Astros Bingo 2024 with a remarkable 7 out of 10 correct predictions
His winning Bingo Card follows - Correct answers are in BOLD
Jose Abreu returns
LMJ pitches
Ags make the CWS but don't win
Bregman 30+ RBI by the AS Break
Astros have a 5-game win streak
Ranger fans whine about the original bingo thread
Kessinger gets a hit in 2024
Hader gets more than 15 saves
Hader has a 1-2-3 inning at some point
Aggies beat Notre Dame
Will start taking suggestions for a much bigger and better one when Spring Training comes around next year.
Where can I pick up my trophy?
Dana Brown on payroll: "I think we’re going to have to make some wise decisions as to – are there younger players that we can call up and put in certain roles to maybe save some money here and ... allocate that money to other places. ... We may have to get a little bit creative."
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) October 3, 2024
They are talking to the fans right now. It isn't like they are going to come out and say the day after losing in the playoffs that we aren't going to resign Bregs.MaxPower said:Dana Brown on payroll: "I think we’re going to have to make some wise decisions as to – are there younger players that we can call up and put in certain roles to maybe save some money here and ... allocate that money to other places. ... We may have to get a little bit creative."
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) October 3, 2024
So hard to read these guys. They talk about getting creative but also would love Bregman back. Just don't see how you bring Bregman back without dumping one or two other high cost guys. Maybe you can move Pressly but any other option is going to sting.
FIFYFrioAg 00 said:
I hope we go after Kuchi pretty hard.
I'd build around him, HB, Fram, Blanco, and Javier.
I'd make the bigger moves with the bats. Trade Tucker for a good 3B. Move Diaz to 1B.
And for the love of God get rid of Pressly
Agreed, but that pretty clearly sounds like "we are going to bring some guys up (like Whitcomb, Dezenzo, and Mathews) and figure out who can do the best job filling Bregman's shoes."AustinCountyAg said:They are talking to the fans right now. It isn't like they are going to come out and say the day after losing in the playoffs that we aren't going to resign Bregs.MaxPower said:Dana Brown on payroll: "I think we’re going to have to make some wise decisions as to – are there younger players that we can call up and put in certain roles to maybe save some money here and ... allocate that money to other places. ... We may have to get a little bit creative."
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) October 3, 2024
So hard to read these guys. They talk about getting creative but also would love Bregman back. Just don't see how you bring Bregman back without dumping one or two other high cost guys. Maybe you can move Pressly but any other option is going to sting.
A set of steak knives.KAF said:The Porkchop Express said:Autographed picture of me throwing out the first pitch to Scott Servais in 1992.KAF said:The Porkchop Express said:
Tip your hat to KAF, the winner of Astros Bingo 2024 with a remarkable 7 out of 10 correct predictions
His winning Bingo Card follows - Correct answers are in BOLD
Jose Abreu returns
LMJ pitches
Ags make the CWS but don't win
Bregman 30+ RBI by the AS Break
Astros have a 5-game win streak
Ranger fans whine about the original bingo thread
Kessinger gets a hit in 2024
Hader gets more than 15 saves
Hader has a 1-2-3 inning at some point
Aggies beat Notre Dame
Will start taking suggestions for a much bigger and better one when Spring Training comes around next year.
Where can I pick up my trophy?
What's the second place prize?
Hornbeck said:
I'm betting Pressly will waive that no trade clause. He is one unhappy camper.
BCEDAg said:Hornbeck said:
I'm betting Pressly will waive that no trade clause. He is one unhappy camper.
Presley made me unhappy too.
W said:
so Hader + Pressly = $33 MM for 2025
woof
What would see as reasonable for Bregman?Sher Thing said:
Bring Bregman back if it's reasonable which it should be. Worry about Tucker later. What is Tuck in the playoffs like 6 for his last 50 or something. I love Tuck but I'm not sure throwing $300m his way is the smart play here.
The Arizona Diamondbacks, whose pitching staff took a step backwards and struggled, fire pitching coach Brent Strom, assistant pitching coach Dan Carlson and bullpen coach Mike Fetters.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) October 3, 2024
Texaggie7nine said:The Arizona Diamondbacks, whose pitching staff took a step backwards and struggled, fire pitching coach Brent Strom, assistant pitching coach Dan Carlson and bullpen coach Mike Fetters.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) October 3, 2024
Surely Strommy retires now.
Do you know how hard it is to get a player of Yordan's caliber? Some teams haven't had it in decades. And we have him locked up. Yes, he is absolutely untouchable unless we are committing to a full blown rebuild RIGHT NOW. Because there is still time to build up around him before he leaves his prime and his contract is up. But if we're going to re-sign Bregman and Tucker, go ahead and pencil in this past year's lineup as the best we will have seen between 2024 and 2029. You're not upgrading any other positions barring an Altuve type minor league star emerging out of nowhere. It will be your core, aging group, and a rotating batch of Meyers, McCormick, Gamel, Dubon, Singleton, Heyward types. And this front office isn't out there turning over every rock in every team's system to uncover diamonds in the rough. We're picking up the Cabbages of the world now.Bobcat-Ag said:
Call me crazy, but I would not consider Yordan untouchable. He is extremely talented and we have a great contract currently. My concern is the injury history. Does his game age well? Will he be able to play at least half a season going forward? For how long?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade him, these are just the questions I would have as a GM. Then you have to try to project and make a decision. If you can get a great return, I might jump on it and aim to be really competitive in a year or 2.
This is what I'd like to see in regard to Tucker and Framber. I'd also shop Pena to see if there is interest and what we could get.Heineken-Ashi said:Do you know how hard it is to get a player of Yordan's caliber? Some teams haven't had it in decades. And we have him locked up. Yes, he is absolutely untouchable unless we are committing to a full blown rebuild RIGHT NOW. Because there is still time to build up around him before he leaves his prime and his contract is up. But if we're going to re-sign Bregman and Tucker, go ahead and pencil in this past year's lineup as the best we will have seen between 2024 and 2029. You're not upgrading any other positions barring an Altuve type minor league star emerging out of nowhere. It will be your core, aging group, and a rotating batch of Meyers, McCormick, Gamel, Dubon, Singleton, Heyward types. And this front office isn't out there turning over every rock in every team's system to uncover diamonds in the rough. We're picking up the Cabbages of the world now.Bobcat-Ag said:
Call me crazy, but I would not consider Yordan untouchable. He is extremely talented and we have a great contract currently. My concern is the injury history. Does his game age well? Will he be able to play at least half a season going forward? For how long?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade him, these are just the questions I would have as a GM. Then you have to try to project and make a decision. If you can get a great return, I might jump on it and aim to be really competitive in a year or 2.
If Yordan is getting traded, you better get the mother of all packages in return, and not a single player below top 10 within a top 10 farm system. No current players. No journeymen. No throw ins. 3-5 top of the line prospects. Maybe one of them can be a Yordan type that is multiple years away and high risk high reward. And if you are going to do that, you better also trade EVERYTHING. Because without Yordan, this team isn't a playoff team and certainly not a world series contender. I'd be only be ok trading Yordan if we did trade everything to expedite an extremely quick rebuild where we could be competing again in 3 years.
We should be letting Bregman go suck for half a season somewhere else. We should be shopping Tucker and Framber for packages of promising, highly talented minor league bats that can be ready within a year or two. We shouldn't be acquiring any more FA stop gaps who will coast under big contracts. We need to spend the next 1-2 years stacking the farm and trying to stay in the playoff hunt without giving anything away. Line it all up for 2026-2028 world series runs. And hopefully you get in a draft and player development groove so there's a pipeline of guys who can step in after that and we are right back to where we SHOULD be right now.
