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11:45a, 8/16/24
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A few fun White Sox stats as we head into tonight.

If the White Sox finished the year on a 40-game win streak and the Indians finished the year on a 41-game losing streak, the Indians would still finish 3 games ahead of the White Sox.

If the White Sox played all 162 games at home based on their current win percentage there, they would finish 47-115.

If they did the same but on the road, they'd finish 30-132.

In the Astros' worst season ever, 51-111 in 2013, they were 11 games better than the White Sox through 122 games. 40-82 vs. 29-93.

The 1962 Mets and 2003 Detroit Tigers are the only teams to reach 100 losses before September 1. The Mets were 34-102 on August 31st thanks to a four-game losing streak to end the month. The Tigers were 34-101 after successfully going 6-23 in August including a nice stretch where they really were hittng on all cylinders and lost 18 out of 20.

As Impressive as this is, we must pay homage to the 1916 Philadelphia Athletics, who lost 117 games in a 154 game season, going 36-117-1, including an incredible 13-64 on the road. That team went a combined 5-47 in June and July. The season didn't start until April 12th and they hit29-100 on September 6th.

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:46a, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:


Abreu and Chas
Interesting to see Abreu tied with Springer down there. George has really fallen off without a trashcan to rely on.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:48a, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:


Still having issues here.

Yeah but that means the other team can see it better too. I kinda wonder if the problem is not the lighted signs out in that center field party deck area.
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In reply to txags92 • 11:52a, 8/16/24
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txags92 said:
Farmer1906 said:


Abreu and Chas
Interesting to see Abreu tied with Springer down there. George has really fallen off without a trashcan to rely on.
This graphic is really crystalizing why my Fantasy Baseball team has been in last place since May.
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In reply to MosesHallRAB04 • 11:53a, 8/16/24
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:56a, 8/16/24
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That Josh Hader guy seems pretty important.

Yeah, I don't know blood. Great to see him on the list but he's behind: Clase,Yates,Iglesias,Scott, Suarez,Jansen,Miller,Helsley,Kinley,Hudson,Megill,Robertson,and tied with Fairbanks.

So, a top 15 reliever being paid like the #2, isn't that great in my book; but hopefully he pans out the next several seasons.

Side note: Pretty impressive that the Rockies Kinley is at #29, despite having a -.2 WAR, an ERA of 6, but a sparking W/L of 5-1 in 53 innings.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 12:00p, 8/16/24
I wonder how many multi-inning games they had this season.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 12:04p, 8/16/24
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A few fun White Sox stats as we head into tonight.
Crushing the overhyped '21 White Sox in the division round is an underrated moment of the Astros' Golden Era IMO. At least it's a favorite of mine.
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In reply to txags92 • 12:15p, 8/16/24
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George has aged like a normal player did back in the day

the drop-off begins around 32 or 33 years old

(and sometimes it's a big drop-off)

that's why the Astros have to let Bregman go

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12:18p, 8/16/24
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this White Sox series...

is where the Astros make their move to get out of the wildcard round

the Guardians begin a road trip to the Brewers and Yankees

could close the gap by 2 or 3 games in the next week
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12:21p, 8/16/24
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Yordan gonna go Cuban missile crisis this weekend
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In reply to W • 12:32p, 8/16/24
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W said:
George has aged like a normal player did back in the day

the drop-off begins around 32 or 33 years old

(and sometimes it's a big drop-off)

that's why the Astros have to let Bregman go

I always put George in the Jim Edmonds / Freddy Lynn category of having too frail a body to play as hard as he did, thus having a very brilliant, but woefully short prime of incredible years followed by many more "just a guy" years with flashes of brilliance.

Edmonds kind of did it in reverse, only playing 150+ games once between ages 23-29 because of injuries, then playing really great ball from age 30 to 34 before falling off. His defense in his early years was amazing. His career #s look like he's getting the same screw job as Berkman on the HOF by the way - 393 HR .284 batting average, 8 Gold Gloves, 4 All-Star games and he got 2.5% of the vote?

Lynn's #s have to be seen to be appreciated from 1975-1979. Rookie MVP and his '79 he got ripped off for MVP by Don Baylor, who was a damn DH. After 79 he never played more than 142 games in a season and his power faded.

George we all know about - fantastic player from 16-19, but only games played went 162, 140, 140, 122. Hard to let him walk after '19 with 39 HR and hitting .292, but he missed 40 games hurt. He missed 84 and 30 games his first 2 years with Toronto. Very healthy last year and this year, but the skills are dramatically eroded and they are on the hook with him for 2 more years at $24.2m per year. Ouch
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12:32p, 8/16/24
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LOL

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:37p, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:
LOL

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:37p, 8/16/24
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The Koochi Effect

Gotta love the Kuchi effect

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:40p, 8/16/24
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The Koochi Effect

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In reply to Beat40 • 12:46p, 8/16/24
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Cooter00 said:
Yes I'm aware of the score of last nights game.
Blanco threw 73 pitches (hit on hand)
Littell threw 68 in 5 innings

Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.

It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.

Bottom line, it may need some tweaks but I don't hate the idea.


The bold is the bottom line why MLB is proposing it. They want more runs. They know the data that teams facing a guy a third time leads to more runs. Thus, mandatory 6 innings, 100 pitches, or 4 runs. MLB doesn't care about the pitcher in this case. It's not about player safety, or health, even if they say it is. It's about generating more runs.

I'm sorry, I think that's a crappy reason to institute a rule like this.

It's not an improvement to take quality competition away from the game, which is what this rule does. Forcing runs via a guy sucking is actually bad for the product.


The crazy thing to me is wanting more runs is usually not conducive to shorter games.

I guess if they brought back the Judge-special juiced balls and shortened the game to 7 innings they might get there. But then the owners would complain about selling less beer and nachos…,.,
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:03p, 8/16/24
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My favorite tweet from yesterday

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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 1:16p, 8/16/24
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W said:
George has aged like a normal player did back in the day

the drop-off begins around 32 or 33 years old

(and sometimes it's a big drop-off)

that's why the Astros have to let Bregman go

I always put George in the Jim Edmonds / Freddy Lynn category of having too frail a body to play as hard as he did, thus having a very brilliant, but woefully short prime of incredible years followed by many more "just a guy" years with flashes of brilliance.

Edmonds kind of did it in reverse, only playing 150+ games once between ages 23-29 because of injuries, then playing really great ball from age 30 to 34 before falling off. His defense in his early years was amazing. His career #s look like he's getting the same screw job as Berkman on the HOF by the way - 393 HR .284 batting average, 8 Gold Gloves, 4 All-Star games and he got 2.5% of the vote?

Lynn's #s have to be seen to be appreciated from 1975-1979. Rookie MVP and his '79 he got ripped off for MVP by Don Baylor, who was a damn DH. After 79 he never played more than 142 games in a season and his power faded.

George we all know about - fantastic player from 16-19, but only games played went 162, 140, 140, 122. Hard to let him walk after '19 with 39 HR and hitting .292, but he missed 40 games hurt. He missed 84 and 30 games his first 2 years with Toronto. Very healthy last year and this year, but the skills are dramatically eroded and they are on the hook with him for 2 more years at $24.2m per year. Ouch
On the other hand we are on the hook for around $47.5 million for Abreu, Montero, and McCullers next year, and then $17.7 more for McCullers in Springer's $24.2 final year.

Even more ouchy.
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1:26p, 8/16/24
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Over the course of his career Lance McCullers has made a pretty penny not pitching.

He's got a pretty good gig just traveling the country with the boys getting a front row seat.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:30p, 8/16/24
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He's a barista now….
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 1:32p, 8/16/24
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
He's the worlds most expensive barista now….

FIFY
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1:34p, 8/16/24
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Yeah, screw that guy. How dare his arm stop working. Completely selfish.
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In reply to All I do is Nguyen • 1:36p, 8/16/24
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All I do is Nguyen said:
Farmer1906 said:
The Koochi Effect

We should have signed an Asian pitcher a long time ago
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:40p, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:
The Koochi Effect

How does Josh Miller even have a job?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:42p, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:
Yeah, screw that guy. How dare his arm stop working. Completely selfish.

Nobody said that.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:51p, 8/16/24
Farmer1906 said:
Yeah, screw that guy. How dare his arm stop working. Completely selfish.
I don't begrudge McCullers a dime, but if it plays out he doesn't pitch these last two years on his contract, it would have been greatly beneficial to us if he could have had a medical retirement last season.

He still gets paid everything because the contracts are guaranteed, the Astros collect on the insurance (doesn't matter to us), but most importantly he's not eating up $17.7 million of our payroll each year for the 4 years he doesn't play (greatly matters to us).

At least that's how I think it works. Obviously the insurance company would contest and litigate whether an injury is career ending, and given the fact that we prognosticate each season when he'll be available that doesn't seem very career ending. So that's a pipe dream.

It just sucks if he never makes it back he'll have pitched 47 innings for us one season out of five on the contract for $85 million dollars. He also didn't pitch in 2019 due to injury before the extension. That would make it a about 260 innings pitched in 8 seasons on the payroll. That's awful for a reliever. Verlander pitched 223 innings in 2019 alone.

HEB is getting its money's worth though.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcculla02.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcculla02.shtml

But who knows, he could pitch 150 innings next year and the year after, and at least he wasn't accruing negative WAR while hurt like two other healthy players eating up a larger part of our payroll next season.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:53p, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:


Abreu and Chas


THREE White Sox players in the top 8!

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In reply to Booma94 • 1:55p, 8/16/24
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Booma94 said:
Farmer1906 said:
The Koochi Effect

How does Josh Miller even have a job?

And by Josh Miller you mean Alex Bregman right? Hehe
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2:00p, 8/16/24
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That's my closer.

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2:02p, 8/16/24
Strasburg played in 8 games in the 4 seasons following 2019. Hard to believe that LMJ could eventually top that starting in 2023.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:04p, 8/16/24
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Farmer1906 said:


Still having issues here.


I would paint everything they could the exact same shade as the color in Boston. In fact I would make the whole OF walls, Signage and lights exactly like Fenway.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:07p, 8/16/24
I wonder how Hader likes his coffee.
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