still pissed about joey
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People need to quit with this whole innings eater narative.
He would be DEAD LAST on this team in average innings per start if it weren't for Arrighetti and JP France being forced to start games for us this year.
He has pitched 115.2 innings in 22 starts... which is 5.24 innings per start. Guess what his career innings per start is? 5.2
His WHIP is 1.34 this year. His career? 1.37
We traded away a top draft pick from last year (quit saying Bloss was a AA pitcher, he just turned 23 and barely a full year as a pro player) and our Tucker replacement for next year to get a 3 month rental on a pitcher who equates to a less then average Hunter Brown.
He would be DEAD LAST on this team in average innings per start if it weren't for Arrighetti and JP France being forced to start games for us this year.
He has pitched 115.2 innings in 22 starts... which is 5.24 innings per start. Guess what his career innings per start is? 5.2
His WHIP is 1.34 this year. His career? 1.37
We traded away a top draft pick from last year (quit saying Bloss was a AA pitcher, he just turned 23 and barely a full year as a pro player) and our Tucker replacement for next year to get a 3 month rental on a pitcher who equates to a less then average Hunter Brown.
LMAO. hate this guyFarmer1906 said:
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If we somehow trade for Yandy without giving up our entire farm system, I wonder if we would be able to get a package including Shawn Armstrong as a depth reliever. Obviously, Fairbanks is too expensive, but we could use another middle reliever that doesn't break the bank.
Why do we need to replace Tucker next year? If/when we do have some options in Cabbage, Leon, Melton, Baez, Kole, Corona, & Barber. All ranked in our top 20.
SpaceCityAg05 said:
If we somehow trade for Yandy without giving up our entire farm system, I wonder if we would be able to get a package including Shawn Armstrong as a depth reliever. Obviously, Fairbanks is too expensive, but we could use another middle reliever that doesn't break the bank.
Given the quality decision making by Brown on trades, I hope we don't get Yandy
I bet Brown has read this cover to cover multiple times
Man some of y'all need to go break into your wife's chill pills or go eat a gummy or something.
If we are still trying to get Yandy that's where Joey and Wagner could've been throw ins to make the deal. Not for rental pitcher.
This. Not to mention if we are out of it next year you deal Tucker at the deadline for a haul if we don't lock him down
Seriously. This is absolutely insane.Ag_07 said:
Man some of y'all need to go break into your wife's chill pills or go eat a gummy or something.
I mean if there is a time to ***** and complain on Texags this is it.Ag_07 said:
Man some of y'all need to go break into your wife's chill pills or go eat a gummy or something.
universally agreed upon as a really terrible trade. from a farm that is already one of the worst in the bigs.
Dynasty is over. Need to win it this year and call it a good run.
Dynasty is over because of this one trade????
Come on people.
Come on people.
Big Al 1992 said:
If we are still trying to get Yandy that's where Joey and Wagner could've been throw ins to make the deal. Not for rental pitcher.
But at the same time pitching was priority #1.
And now Joey is just a throw in?
Compare Toronto manager quote to what Dana and Joe said about the trade.
"I love what we got," manager John Schneider said. "Again, Kikuchi, it's tough to say goodbye because he's just a great dude, but I'm really excited with what we got back for him. Loperfido is a dude we've seen recently and he's got a really, really bright future. Bloss, you can pencil him into what we're doing going forward and we'll take another bloodline guy in Wagner. I really like what we did and it shows we're going to get after it next year."
Bloss may be pitching this week for Toronto.
"I love what we got," manager John Schneider said. "Again, Kikuchi, it's tough to say goodbye because he's just a great dude, but I'm really excited with what we got back for him. Loperfido is a dude we've seen recently and he's got a really, really bright future. Bloss, you can pencil him into what we're doing going forward and we'll take another bloodline guy in Wagner. I really like what we did and it shows we're going to get after it next year."
Bloss may be pitching this week for Toronto.
because of this one trade? no. but its obviously been coming to a close.texasaggie2015 said:
Dynasty is over because of this one trade????
Come on people.
I dont believe they will pay Bregs or Tucker.
we have no one in the farm.
pitching staff isnt WS caliber anymore.
writing is on the wall.
That's what the other thread thinks. I just laughed. We depleted an already depleted farm system. Its over guys.texasaggie2015 said:
Dynasty is over because of this one trade????
Come on people.
the one trade doesnt end the dynasty.
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys strongly overestimate how much free reign he has and underestimate just how much Jim Crane calls the shots behind the scenes.gigemJTH12 said:
the one trade doesnt end the dynasty.
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
Jerry Jones 2.0, next year maybe he will just name himself GM 
okay....then we are screwed for that reason.
pick your poison.
do you think that makes this any better or any less proof that the astros of the last decade are over with???
pick your poison.
do you think that makes this any better or any less proof that the astros of the last decade are over with???
texasaggie2015 said:I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys strongly overestimate how much free reign he has and underestimate just how much Jim Crane calls the shots behind the scenes.gigemJTH12 said:
the one trade doesnt end the dynasty.
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
Brown made this deal happen and signed off on it, he has plenty of free reign when it comes to trades
How do you know that? Because that's literally the opposite of every other trade that's happened the last couple years.
texasaggie2015 said:
Dynasty is over because of this one trade????
Come on people.
I think a lot of factors go into this meltdown. It feels like a trade that would be made by Uncle Drayton in the dying breaths of the '97-2005 run.
I think there's frustration that Dana Brown almost feels like he's not ready for the savvy GM role. I think there's a lot more frustration with Crane than people would like to admit and it's thrown at the feet of Bagwell.
I don't see how we make another move. Teams will see what we gave up for a mediocre rental and will expect similar as a worst case.
I hope I am wrong and we can get a at least a platoon option at 1B.
I hope I am wrong and we can get a at least a platoon option at 1B.
Whether it is Dana failing us or Crane failing us- it is all the same.texasaggie2015 said:I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys strongly overestimate how much free reign he has and underestimate just how much Jim Crane calls the shots behind the scenes.gigemJTH12 said:
the one trade doesnt end the dynasty.
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
Crane let Luhnow run the show because he had a plan and inspired confidence that he could implement it.
Crane may never let anyone have that power again, due to the backlash of the sign stealing scandal and other negative heat generated during Luhnow's tenure.
Click was a great continuation, though hard to earnestly evaluate due to what he inherited.
To your point, ta2015, maybe Dana would do well with more decision power. But he clearly doesn't have it and I doubt he gets imbued with control at any point moving forward.
Therefore, Dana is not the guy. I'm not sure Crane will ever again let there be "a guy." That is a problem because him and his brain trust do not know how to run an elite baseball team alone.
texasaggie2015 said:
How do you know that? Because that's literally the opposite of every other trade that's happened the last couple years.
You think Crane is the guy on the phones calling teams and discussing specific players?
“The Astros are going to make a splash at the deadline.”
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tylhair said:Whether it is Dana failing us or Crane failing us- it is all the same.texasaggie2015 said:I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys strongly overestimate how much free reign he has and underestimate just how much Jim Crane calls the shots behind the scenes.gigemJTH12 said:
the one trade doesnt end the dynasty.
but its just another piece of proof that Dana is not the guy.
If this dynasty was going to stay alive after this season we would need a wizard of a GM to pull it off.
pretty clear we dont
Crane let Luhnow run the show because he had a plan and inspired confidence that he could implement it.
Crane may never let anyone have that power again, due to the backlash of the sign stealing scandal and other negative heat generated during Luhnow's tenure.
Click was a great continuation, though hard to earnestly evaluate due to what he inherited.
To your point, ta2015, maybe Dana would do well with more decision power. But he clearly doesn't have it and I doubt he gets imbued with control at any point moving forward.
Therefore, Dana is not the guy. I'm not sure Crane will ever again let there be "a guy." That is a problem because him and his brain trust do not know how to run an elite baseball team alone.
Yep. Seems like a Jerry Jones vibe here.
are you serious with this? that's obnoxious. youre the embodiment of this memeFarmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
In the majority of his career he has had a 5 era. He has an outlier bringing down the average.
Except no one said we were or expected us to make a splash.
W said:
the key point was made above
Bloss and Wagner should have been enough to get Kikuchi
then if Dana doesn't like Loperfido...use him to net another player
3 players for a 2-month rental (and his 4.75 ERA) is crazy
This is where I'm at. If they don't take the deal for those two find the best pitcher you can for those two.
I agree Joey isn't great but he is good and I preferred seeing him play than Chaz and Trey.
It wasn't that individually they were too good to trade but it's that it was just too much for a single rental
That's exactly what happened with the JV trade last year. The only input Dana Brown had was he was able to give his opinion on which prospects to include.
Jim Crane negotiated the deal with Hader this past offseason. It had very little to do with Dana Brown.
Going back before that, Jim Crane stepped in and stopped Click from making several moves.
Nothing gets done without Crane's approval. Brown had to convince him to sign off on the Caratini signing.
Jim Crane negotiated the deal with Hader this past offseason. It had very little to do with Dana Brown.
Going back before that, Jim Crane stepped in and stopped Click from making several moves.
Nothing gets done without Crane's approval. Brown had to convince him to sign off on the Caratini signing.
Seems more like Crane says get us a SP or your ass is fired. At that point he did whatever he had to do for self preservation.AggiEE said:texasaggie2015 said:
How do you know that? Because that's literally the opposite of every other trade that's happened the last couple years.
You think Crane is the guy on the phones calling teams and discussing specific players?
texasaggie2015 said:
That's exactly what happened with the JV trade last year. The only input Dana Brown had was he was able to give his opinion on which prospects to include.
Jim Crane negotiated the deal with Hader this past offseason. It had very little to do with Dana Brown.
Going back before that, Jim Crane stepped in and stopped Click from making several moves.
Nothing gets done without Crane's approval. Brown had to convince him to sign off on the Caratini signing.
JV was a special circumstance given his relationship with Crane (plus ability to veto) and that was a good trade.
Crane may be calling shots on what needs to get done
He's absolutely not making lower level decisions on who we are giving up, other than signing off on the deal in total
Okay then. Maybe you know something I don't.
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