This reeks of desperation and making a trade just to make a trade.MaxPower said:Astros GM Dana Brown: "We were having a lot of discussions about most of those guys at the top of our board. The price tag of those guys were even higher and more painful."
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 30, 2024
I would have just stood pat, that was my thought on Flaherty as well. If you think your guys are better than others are valuing them then just stand pat.
Im not saying he's a good pitcher, Im saying we need arms and this trade doesnt add any. We traded a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster and got a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster.AustinCountyAg said:
We traded a AA pitcher for a proven MLB starter who could eat some innings and save the depleted bp. I'd say it was an upgrade in that regards. Bloss never went more than 4 innings in his three big league starts.
My problem with the trade is that I just don't want Kikuchi and I don't think we'll have to wait 2 years to figure that out. Sure, he has a nice K/IP but he's a losing pitcher that has a subpar career ERA that seems to be going thru the worst stretch of his career. And the cherry on top . . . he's a rental.BMX Bandit said:even if none of the three turn out good, this was still a terrible trade. they could have been used as trade pieces for other deals.Quote:
That said, after sleeping on it, I'm going to let it all play out. It seems like Houston got fleeced but there's really no way to know until a couple years down the road. There's a chance one or two of these kids turn out to be really good big leaguers.. but there's also a chance they never really pan out
texasaggie2015 said:
I think I just disagree with most of the board with these prospects.
Before I'm accused of being a know it all, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I disagree.
I'm not very high on Joey. Dude is a great athlete, but he has a pretty big hole in his swing and I think it's entirely possible the big league coaches evaluated him and decided there was only so much they can do.
Jake Bloss has a fairly high floor in my opinion. And years of control. That's certainly valuable, but there's a handful of guys in the system who will be up soon who are pretty similar guys (if not better). That said, I know Dana really liked him at one point.
I really don't think Will Wagner will ever be more than a utility guy (and that's best case).
Do I love the trade? Hell no. I'm not a fan at all.
But... all that to say, I think all the doom and gloom is a slight overreaction at the end of the day. I'm just going to enjoy the next couple months of baseball and let it all play out.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Leon can do.
They have Kikuchi- I hear he's worth a haul.Wabs said:
So we adding a bat today? Do we have anything of value that we're willing to part with for a bat?
Its not that he's physically incapable, it's that you don't want him going deep. 3rd time through the order batters have a .942 OPS this year.YZ250 said:
So he's well rested.
Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Im not saying he's a good pitcher, Im saying we need arms and this trade doesnt add any. We traded a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster and got a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster.AustinCountyAg said:
We traded a AA pitcher for a proven MLB starter who could eat some innings and save the depleted bp. I'd say it was an upgrade in that regards. Bloss never went more than 4 innings in his three big league starts.
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My dissatisfaction is not only about this overpay, but what it reveals about the Dana Brown/Jim Crane regime. It is another data point indicating our organization is no longer in safe, capable hands.
I honestly cant say I prefer to have a guy with a 5 era starting that game any more than i prefer having a guy with a sub 2 AA era starting that game. If either of them is starting a playoff game its a glaring indictment of Brown. Bloss is just as helpful to this team as kikuchi- in that neither of them are helpful to this team other than to rest quality starters.AustinCountyAg said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Im not saying he's a good pitcher, Im saying we need arms and this trade doesnt add any. We traded a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster and got a junk inning caliber pitcher who wont make the post season roster.AustinCountyAg said:
We traded a AA pitcher for a proven MLB starter who could eat some innings and save the depleted bp. I'd say it was an upgrade in that regards. Bloss never went more than 4 innings in his three big league starts.
You might want to rethink that. Say the Astros have to play wildcard series. Kikuchi could be starting game 1 of the next series if it goes three games as it stands right now.
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Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
you might want to look at his stats againRagnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
His numbers show he has a 4.75 ERA, roughly his career average….
Round up to 5
Yanks, Astros among teams considering Yandy Diaz. Pirates maybe outside chance. @francysromeroFR linked these teams to Yandy
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 30, 2024
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
His numbers show he has a 4.75 ERA, roughly his career average….
Round up to 5
If you wanna have a low level conversation, you do you.
AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
His numbers show he has a 4.75 ERA, roughly his career average….
Round up to 5
If you wanna have a low level conversation, you do you.
If you want to think he's just been getting unlucky for his entire career and Astros will have massively better output than what he's shown, that's what we call hopium…
Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
His numbers show he has a 4.75 ERA, roughly his career average….
Round up to 5
If you wanna have a low level conversation, you do you.
If you want to think he's just been getting unlucky for his entire career and Astros will have massively better output than what he's shown, that's what we call hopium…
Show me where I said that. I think the rest of this year is probably going to mirror last year & similar the expected #s. What he did 3-4 years ago has little relevance since he's changed some things. A less drastic version of Brown adding a sinker. Brown in April ain't the Brown in July no matter how much you cry about ERA.
AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:AggiEE said:Farmer1906 said:Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:Kikuchi in the majority of his seasons. He has one good year pulling down the career era to slightly below 5. In his most recent 15 starts he has an era of 5.8.Farmer1906 said:
Who has a 5+ ERA in this scenario?
So he doesn't have a 5 ERA this year, or last year, or his career, and the #s show he should have a lower ERA moving forward yet he's a 5+ ERA guy. Ok.
His numbers show he has a 4.75 ERA, roughly his career average….
Round up to 5
If you wanna have a low level conversation, you do you.
If you want to think he's just been getting unlucky for his entire career and Astros will have massively better output than what he's shown, that's what we call hopium…
Show me where I said that. I think the rest of this year is probably going to mirror last year & similar the expected #s. What he did 3-4 years ago has little relevance since he's changed some things. A less drastic version of Brown adding a sinker. Brown in April ain't the Brown in July no matter how much you cry about ERA.
Again, hopium.
Look I hope that happens too…but I'm not gonna be surprised if he gets lit up in most of his starts and we start wondering why Bloss couldn't fill that role instead…
