Wabs said:

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I'll be interested to see what somebody has to give up to get Flaherty.

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Doyers will get him for a Reese's and a bag of popcorn along with cash considerations

The San Francisco Giants, who dumped DH Jorge Soler and his contract last night, plan to keep starter Blake Snell and give their team a legitimate shot at the playoffs.
They are 4 games back in the wild-card race (53-55) with their next 12 games against teams with losing records.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 30, 2024

so... trying to find a silver lining, trading the heir apparent of Bregman might mean we are signing Bregman to an extension?

Bag said:

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so... trying to find a silver lining, trading the heir apparent of Bregman might mean we are signing Bregman to an extension?

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You'd have to be under the influence of heavy narcotics h to find any silver lining in such a disproportionate return for this guy.

Bag said:

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so... trying to find a silver lining, trading the heir apparent of Bregman might mean we are signing Bregman to an extension?

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Don't think that was ever Wagner. It's Dezenzo if it's anybody internal

Alright guys, I've had a night to think about it

texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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so... trying to find a silver lining, trading the heir apparent of Bregman might mean we are signing Bregman to an extension?

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Wagner was never going to replace Bregman. He's a poor third baseman. He probably projects as a second baseman and/or first baseman if he makes the show.

That said, after sleeping on it, I'm going to let it all play out. It seems like Houston got fleeced but there's really no way to know until a couple years down the road. There's a chance one or two of these kids turn out to be really good big leaguers.. but there's also a chance they never really pan out.

Only time will tell. Until then, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Let's see if they can snag one more piece today.

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Agreed. Except the last part, I think I'm good on trades this year. The only one left that's a fit is Yandy and I can't imagine us beating out other teams with him being the last bat available.

Don't think we make any other moves today. I also don't really see what else you can give up prospect wise unless you throw Chas in a 1 for 1 deal for a bullpen guy

Not sure Chas is an option with Joey having been traded. Maybe the Angels are interested for Ward since Chas is cheaper and has more control?

The only way I can make the trade make sense is that Jim Crane himself called up Toronto and made the deal, not knowing nor caring how uneven the trade was. He called them up, asked what they wanted, and gave it to them without negotiating. That's the only way this makes sense.

texasaggie2015 said:

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Bag said:

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so... trying to find a silver lining, trading the heir apparent of Bregman might mean we are signing Bregman to an extension?

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Wagner was never going to replace Bregman. He's a poor third baseman. He probably projects as a second baseman and/or first baseman if he makes the show.

That said, after sleeping on it, I'm going to let it all play out. It seems like Houston got fleeced but there's really no way to know until a couple years down the road. There's a chance one or two of these kids turn out to be really good big leaguers.. but there's also a chance they never really pan out.

Only time will tell. Until then, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Let's see if they can snag one more piece today.

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I think the real bonus here is 40 man roster flexibility. We were crunched on space and now we have an open spot. Could be required for an upcoming move or a return from the 60 day IL.

The point he's making is that we as fans are assuming those pieces should have pulled a better return but that's Apparently not reality.

texasaggie2015 said:

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You don't think they tried?

The honest truth of the matter is that we have a really thin farm system.

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Sure they tried, doesn't mean they cant walk away from negotiations when the other team is twisting their arm.

I'll be okay with letting Loperfido go if one of the following happens (or 2/3)

1. Tucker comes back this season
2. Pedro Leon plays well while called up
3. Chas turns it around

All I do is Nguyen said:

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Wabs said:

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I'll be interested to see what somebody has to give up to get Flaherty.

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Doyers will get him for a Reese's and a bag of popcorn along with cash considerations

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No way they have to part with a Reese's, those are too good. Probably just need to give up a Snickers.

Honestly….we could win the WS this year with Kikuchi playing a role, even if that's just bridging the gap to get guys healthy, none of those prospects could play out, and this thread would still say it's a horrible trade and they could have done better.

MaxPower said:

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Astros GM Dana Brown: "We were having a lot of discussions about most of those guys at the top of our board. The price tag of those guys were even higher and more painful."

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 30, 2024

I would have just stood pat, that was my thought on Flaherty as well. If you think your guys are better than others are valuing them then just stand pat.

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Id imagine Dana wanted to stay pat, but with injuries he was forced to make a move for a starter and everyone knows it. Just think about it. Blanco already has a career high in innings pitched. Spencer and Hunter are almost there surpassing career highs. Taylor Scott hasn't pitched this much since 2019, and most of those innings were minor league ball. Seth Martinez is already at a career high at the big league level…… and it's not even August. A move for big league pitching (and hopefully more) had to be made and everyone knows it.

My 1/2 a day later thoughts:

Given up:

Bloss - could be something, could be nothing. Got shelled quite a bit. Jury is still out.

Loperfido - provided some very memorable plays in the field and hits, has some holes in his game but he might figure it out, might not. Either way its unlikely he ever sniffs Yordan or Tucker territory. With the log jam in the outfield between Meyers, Chaz, Cabbage, and now Leon its a piece you can afford to part with. Still, as a fan of the team seeing some of the plays he made once called up this hurts.

Wagner - Organizational depth, not much to worry about there.

Brought in:

Kikuchi - Its a gamble. Career 4.72 ERA. Strong start this season but getting beat up lately. Still has some solid outings on his resume against playoff contenders in recent months. Makes me think the org thought there was no way they were going to risk any further injuries or delays in availabilty on the current pitching staff. Kikuchi can pitch and eat up meaningful starts.

I don't love it, but hopefully we look back in September and feel a lot different.

So we adding a bat today? Do we have anything of value that we're willing to part with for a bat?