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In reply to MaxPower • 10:52a, 4/18/24
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Polling question. At what date and record would you start trading veterans and who are you willing to trade?

For me, I'd say if you are 5 games below .500 at 6/30 or below .500 at the trade deadline I'm selling. I'd look into moving anyone who is a free agent after this season or next.


If we are within 7ish games of the wild card by July 25th then I wouldn't trade anybody

But if the ship isn't righted by then… then I'd see what you can get for Bregman, Framber, JV, Pressly, one of the CF, and Urquidy

The pieces to me that can't be moved are Altuve, Yordan, Bryan Abreu, Javier, Garcia, Tucker, Diaz and Pena.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 10:53a, 4/18/24
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He just played his 50th total game in AAA. I don't think you have to worry about him getting disgruntled anytime soon. He'll get a shot soon and I'm sure he's been getting feedback on what he needs to continue to work on.
I think you overestimate planning by this team. Loperfido hasn't played 1B since Friday….
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In reply to MaxPower • 10:53a, 4/18/24
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He's getting plenty of work.
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In reply to tjack16 • 10:56a, 4/18/24
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If we're going to re-stock our very depleted farm (and we're sellers), then we need to be willing to depart with Tucker and Abreu (the pitcher of course). Especially Tucker - lots of value with another year of control.
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In reply to MaxPower • 10:57a, 4/18/24
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MaxPower said:
texasaggie2015 said:
He just played his 50th total game in AAA. I don't think you have to worry about him getting disgruntled anytime soon. He'll get a shot soon and I'm sure he's been getting feedback on what he needs to continue to work on.
I think you overestimate planning by this team. Loperfido hasn't played 1B since Friday….
I swear I heard somewhere he has been working out at MMP at first base. Not surprising with Sugarland right down the road.

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In reply to Wabs • 11:00a, 4/18/24
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If we're going to re-stock our very depleted farm (and we're sellers), then we need to be willing to depart with Tucker and Abreu (the pitcher of course). Especially Tucker - lots of value with another year of control.


I wouldn't go full rebuild though. Even if this season is a disaster in the end I'd still hold as many controllable solidified pieces as possible.

You have plenty of pieces to still be a playoff team in 2025-beyond so I'd still keep Tucker and try to extend him.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:05a, 4/18/24
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He's getting plenty of work.
Can't replace in game experience. Going to look like complete morons if he has 2 errors the first week he's called up.
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 11:05a, 4/18/24
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Joey Baseball is lapping the field.
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 11:10a, 4/18/24
Platoon Abreu with Loperfido and whoever else. I haven't given up on Jose yet based on how he recovered last year and contributed well later in the season. It's a perfect storm of issues right now for this club, and that doesn't even get into potential issues with Crane taking too much control, but they have time to rally and turn it around.


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In reply to tjack16 • 11:11a, 4/18/24
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Wabs said:
If we're going to re-stock our very depleted farm (and we're sellers), then we need to be willing to depart with Tucker and Abreu (the pitcher of course). Especially Tucker - lots of value with another year of control.


I wouldn't go full rebuild though. Even if this season is a disaster in the end I'd still hold as many controllable solidified pieces as possible.

You have plenty of pieces to still be a playoff team in 2025-beyond so I'd still keep Tucker and try to extend him.
I suppose that's the question. Who are you going to extend and when? When you say controllable, Tucker is only "controllable" for one more year and he likely costs $20+M in 2025 arbitration so he also eats into your ability to acquire a free agents this offseason. It would be nice if they worked out whoever they are going to extend before this year's deadline.

I agree he's lower on the list of guys I'd prefer to trade (Bregman is obvious and there should be 0 chance you are bringing back 43 year old JV in 2026), but I wouldn't take him off the list. The Phillies, for example, have Justin Crawford looking like an all star CF, Painter who has ace potential and Aidan Miller who can be your 3B of the future. If they're offering those 3 I'm listening.
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In reply to MaxPower • 11:23a, 4/18/24
Sign me up for raiding Philly's prospects if the deal is right, especially after how they fleeced us back in the late '00s. They have to be desperate for a title after the last couple seasons.

I remember this coming out of nowhere recently but not being mentioned here (understandably):
https://thatballsouttahere.com/posts/phillies-blockbuster-trade-astros-all-star-outfielder-kyle-tucker
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In reply to cc10106 • 11:39a, 4/18/24
Wouldn't mind Kerkering too for the pen. Filthy slider
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 11:55a, 4/18/24
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texasaggie2015 said:
I actually don't think he ends up in either of those places. I would keep an eye on Arizona.



My prediction as soon as I heard he's building a house there.


Arizona is an awesome place to live
I think him building him a house there is just that. A great place in the off season and to not have to live in Houston.

If he built a house there because he knew he was going to be playing there, a whole lot of questions on the tampering side need to be asked.
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In reply to Buck Compton • 11:55a, 4/18/24
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The Porkchop Express said:
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Ug, very concerning
I've been mentioning this for a while now. It's unfortunate. The brains behind the operation are no longer around and Crane has very much taken the reigns himself. He's a smart man... but being a smart man and being equipped to run an entire baseball organization are two completely different things.

I've been told he lost his ability to trust his people after the scandal came out. Things haven't been the same since.
This actually makes Crane a lot more sympathetic to me. Guys he put in power positions were constantly lying to him by omission and he had to wear the results and forever had his perception changed of what should have been his pinnacle as a sports owner. If i can't trust those guys, how do I trust anyone? It sucks that he's gone this way, but you cant blame him for losing faith in managers and GMs.
I take the exact opposite view. This sours me on him as a leader.

Your reaction to a failure shouldn't be to micromanage, especially if you don't have the expertise to do so. Just because you gave someone autonomy and let them drive decisions and failed, doesn't mean your approach to decentralizing decision-making was incorrect. And his inability to see the impact of his reaction is sinking the team.
Im not saying I agree with, I'm saying I understand why he feels that way.
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In reply to n_touch • 11:56a, 4/18/24
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It's actually him building a house close to where he grew up because that's where he prefers to be long term.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:58a, 4/18/24
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It's actually him building a house close to where he grew up because that's where he prefers to be long term.
Close is a relative term. He's probably about 400 miles from where he grew up. Closer than Houston though.
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12:00p, 4/18/24
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Jack Leiter starting today. That's probably worth watching. The Rangers haven't developed an arm in IDK how long.
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Bregxit said:
Farmer1906 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
It's actually him building a house close to where he grew up because that's where he prefers to be long term.
Close is a relative term. He's probably about 400 miles from where he grew up. Closer than Houston though.


And really who wants to live in the ABQ nowadays?
No argument from me. Closest major city worth living in. Scottsdale is kind of an it place to be right now.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:05p, 4/18/24
texasaggie2015 said:
It's actually him building a house close to where he grew up because that's where he prefers to be long term.
I don't disagree with you on that. You said to keep an eye on Arizona, I am assuming you meant the team and not the state.

My point is that he is just doing it for whatever reason, not that he is sure he is going to be playing there. If he is SURE that he will be playing there already then there is an issue.
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In reply to n_touch • 12:07p, 4/18/24
My guess is he goes west coast so he can have spring training in Arizona. I wonder if he's ever spent a summer in Scottsdale, he might not find it so appealing …..
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In reply to MaxPower • 12:09p, 4/18/24
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My guess is he goes west coast so he can have spring training in Arizona. I wonder if he's ever spent a summer in Scottsdale, he might not find it so appealing …..
Is it all the different than New Mexico weather wise?

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:35p, 4/18/24
Albuquerque for sure. Average July high is 104. He's rich though, just get a summer house in flagstaff.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:37p, 4/18/24
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Farmer1906 said:
MaxPower said:
My guess is he goes west coast so he can have spring training in Arizona. I wonder if he's ever spent a summer in Scottsdale, he might not find it so appealing …..
Is it all the different than New Mexico weather wise?




It's bad, but it's all subjective. Houston in the summer's absolutely awful.The question is whether or not you prefer the dry heat or the humid heat
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:47p, 4/18/24
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Jack Leiter starting today. That's probably worth watching. The Rangers haven't developed an arm in IDK how long.

1.1 IP 3 ER and counting
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In reply to Beau Holder • 12:52p, 4/18/24
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Farmer1906 said:
Jack Leiter starting today. That's probably worth watching. The Rangers haven't developed an arm in IDK how long.

1.1 IP 3 ER and counting
Leiter isn't doing well, but it must be nice to have an offense to keep pace. Tied 4-4 in the 2nd...
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In reply to Wabs • 12:58p, 4/18/24
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Wabs said:
Beau Holder said:
Farmer1906 said:
Jack Leiter starting today. That's probably worth watching. The Rangers haven't developed an arm in IDK how long.

1.1 IP 3 ER and counting
Leiter isn't doing well, but it must be nice to have an offense to keep pace. Tied 4-4 in the 2nd...
Is this Leiter's walkout song?

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12:59p, 4/18/24
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We need all the mojo the baseball Gods have at their capacity so I'll forgo laughing at anyone else's struggles.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:02p, 4/18/24
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I will laugh at anything, anytime.

Except the Rangers announcers, I forgot how insufferably whiny and uninspired they are.
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In reply to Beau Holder • 1:02p, 4/18/24
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I will laugh at anything, anytime.

Except the Rangers announcers, I forgot how insufferably whiny and uninspired they are.


I literally turned it off because they were so bad.

Back to deadlifts.
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In reply to Beau Holder • 1:03p, 4/18/24
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I will laugh at anything, anytime.

Except the Rangers announcers, I forgot how insufferably whiny and uninspired they are.
omg yes! I'm at a bar for lunch and they have the sound on, there is no way even rangers fans enjoy listening to these guys!
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In reply to Beau Holder • 1:04p, 4/18/24
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Beau Holder said:
I will laugh at anything, anytime.

Except the Rangers announcers, I forgot how insufferably whiny and uninspired they are.

I will not argue with this. They're rough
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 1:23p, 4/18/24
Mr.Bond said:
Farmer1906 said:
MaxPower said:
My guess is he goes west coast so he can have spring training in Arizona. I wonder if he's ever spent a summer in Scottsdale, he might not find it so appealing …..
Is it all the different than New Mexico weather wise?




It's bad, but it's all subjective. Houston in the summer's absolutely awful.The question is whether or not you prefer the dry heat or the humid heat
I have been in Houston, San Antoion and El Paso summers. Dry heat is still hot. Its just a matter of how fast your dangles get sweaty and stick to your leg.
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1:45p, 4/18/24
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