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Imagine scoring five runs with one out in the first and losing 10-5
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I think that Framber not starting was so last-minute and unexpected that there wasn't time to call anyone else up. It seemed to literally be a situation where a call was placed to Sugar Land asking who was the next scheduled starter and to send them to Arlington.EastCoastAgNc said:wangus12 said:
He needs to be optioned back to the Hooks at minimum
He sucked tonight, no way around it. At the same time, he really had no business being out there in the first place. They put him in a situation where he was probably gonna fail, so it's really on the organization for not getting more pitching depth in the off-season (especially in the minors). I feel bad for him because it's probably the only time he'll ever step on a MLB field and that's how he's gonna remember it.
There are a couple of better options if time had permitted- Spencer Arraghetti has to be somewhere on the radar as the next call-up.
100%. His ERA in the minors is pretty rough (A-7.02, AA-5.06, AAA-5.40). No way does he get called up unless it was literally the situation you mentioned. He was the next guy up for SL and the Astros needed an arm that could throw that night.
Now that he's been optioned out, they'll need to call up another pitcher. Likely will have to be a reliever. I doubt they'll want to use up another one of Coleman's options since they'll have to send whoever it is back down when Framber's spot comes back around (if he starts, which I highly doubt). Wonder if it's Whitley time?
When an 18 year old looks this comfortable at the plate in full season ball, even if their power is in question, it's worth taking notice. Gomez might be a tweener profile, but the at bats are really impressive for his age. https://t.co/NpON8wdcqS
— Spencer Morris (@ProspectSpencer) April 9, 2024
My man Kenni Gomez
He has 1 IP so far this year which occurred on Sunday in the JV rehab game and he gave up a HR on his 2nd pitch. He settled down and pitched a flawless rest of the inning, but I think he might need a few more innings before he gets the call. Just my thoughts.EastCoastAgNc said:
Now that he's been optioned out, they'll need to call up another pitcher. Likely will have to be a reliever. I doubt they'll want to use up another one of Coleman's options since they'll have to send whoever it is back down when Framber's spot comes back around (if he starts, which I highly doubt). Wonder if it's Whitley time?
The only people I ever felt intimidated by are Bob Gibson and Corey Julks. He can play 1st. Just got to get him in the rotation. Maybe move Abreu to DH and give Yordan some time off.
They needed an arm that was properly rested. That was Henley. If it had been Arrighetti, he would have gotten the call. Same with Kouba or any other arm. Just bad timing.
I don't think Henley will see the big leagues again and it's a shame things went the way they did considering this was likely his one opportunity. But you never know. He's had a cup of coffee in the bigs and maybe if he gets another shot he'll be less amped next time around.
At the end of the day, his dream came true last night and the Astros won.
I don't think Henley will see the big leagues again and it's a shame things went the way they did considering this was likely his one opportunity. But you never know. He's had a cup of coffee in the bigs and maybe if he gets another shot he'll be less amped next time around.
At the end of the day, his dream came true last night and the Astros won.
How quiet he is in the box reminds me a little of Michael Brantley. Very calm and smooth swing.
#Astros 2023 first round pick, Brice Matthews, is hitting .333 with two doubles, 3 runs batted in and a stolen bases through 3 games in High-A Asheville.
— Astros Future (@AstrosFuture) April 8, 2024
Good to see Matthews get off to a hot start.
What position is he projected to play at the big league level?
He has an insanely high ceiling. One of those guys who has all the natural ability in the world and it will all come down to how hard he's willing to work. He has such a good swing for an 18 year old.
This is a really good channel by the way: Astros Minor League Library - YouTube
This is a really good channel by the way: Astros Minor League Library - YouTube
Shortstop. If that doesn't work out, likely centerfield.
I can't recall seeing a prospect with a wider range of outcomes. He's truly a boom or bust guy. I'm personally not high on him- but there's others who think he's a future all-star. Only time will tell.
They're going to have to be patient with him. He's extremely raw but he's mature and has freak athletic ability so he could develop faster than anticipated. I think he's 3 years away.
I can't recall seeing a prospect with a wider range of outcomes. He's truly a boom or bust guy. I'm personally not high on him- but there's others who think he's a future all-star. Only time will tell.
They're going to have to be patient with him. He's extremely raw but he's mature and has freak athletic ability so he could develop faster than anticipated. I think he's 3 years away.
Royals are next. We're about to see one of the best (if not THE best) young players in the game. Should be fun to watch.
Wabs said:
Royals are next. We're about to see one of the best (if not THE best) young players in the game. Should be fun to watch.
With all due respect… I hope he goes 0-4 with 4 Ks all 3 games
Good morning to everyone but the entire DFW Metroplex, #StraightUpTX fans and anyone who left the @astros for dead after one whole inning. As if Dallas-area sports teams haven’t been choking for decades?? Eight unanswered runs means a split and a happy flight. #Relentless🔥🤘🏼 pic.twitter.com/oF6FJ8vHZ2
— Adam Clanton (@adamclanton) April 9, 2024
Framber Valdez's elbow is sore. He's back in Houston seeing doctors. The club chose to exude optimism.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) April 8, 2024
"I asked him, ‘Was it a lot of pain, low pain, medium pain?’ He said it was a little below the medium side. I think it’s going to be fine.” -https://t.co/3XqjFu5TAz
fwiw, I heard he was also not feeling great due to an undisclosed illness, which contributed to him feeling weak/sore
that gives me optimism that this won't be a lingering issue
that gives me optimism that this won't be a lingering issue
I agree, I enjoy watching Salvy play ballWabs said:
Royals are next. We're about to see one of the best (if not THE best) young players in the game. Should be fun to watch.
texasaggie2015 said:
They needed an arm that was properly rested. That was Henley. If it had been Arrighetti, he would have gotten the call. Same with Kouba or any other arm. Just bad timing.
I don't think Henley will see the big leagues again and it's a shame things went the way they did considering this was likely his one opportunity. But you never know. He's had a cup of coffee in the bigs and maybe if he gets another shot he'll be less amped next time around.
At the end of the day, his dream came true last night and the Astros won.
In hindsight they should have just started the game with "openers". The bullpen was awesome last night. Maybe they learned something if the same situation comes up again in the future.
Logan VanWey has continued his rise up the #Astros system:
— Astros Future (@AstrosFuture) April 9, 2024
“I like pitching with a chip on my shoulder, knowing I’ve always been undervalued, and overlooked. The Astros saw something in me that no other team did”
Read more here: https://t.co/RsekLLTvXA
Might be a name to bookmark for later
BCEDAg said:texasaggie2015 said:
They needed an arm that was properly rested. That was Henley. If it had been Arrighetti, he would have gotten the call. Same with Kouba or any other arm. Just bad timing.
I don't think Henley will see the big leagues again and it's a shame things went the way they did considering this was likely his one opportunity. But you never know. He's had a cup of coffee in the bigs and maybe if he gets another shot he'll be less amped next time around.
At the end of the day, his dream came true last night and the Astros won.
In hindsight they should have just started the game with "openers". The bullpen was awesome last night. Maybe they learned something if the same situation comes up again in the future.
Opener and then called up a AAA bullpen arm to eat innings late in the game or tonight in KC .
Ideally, the kid you call up gives you a few innings and you don't burn through an already taxed bullpen.
Feels good to have things go your way for a change. Frame king Caratini doing work.
Umpire: Adrian Johnson
— Umpire Scorecards (@UmpScorecards) April 9, 2024
Final: Astros 10, Rangers 5#Relentless // #StraightUpTX#HOUvsTEX // #TEXvsHOU
More stats for this game 👇https://t.co/Iso5IT5da5 pic.twitter.com/Q6fXJS7Bcp
Man, I will say... I was one of the biggest Abreu defenders last year and I was optimistic he would turn things around after his back healed up and he started to get hot late last season.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
It's not just his offense either. His defense has been pretty bad.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I will say... I was one of the biggest Abreu defenders last year and I was optimistic he would turn things around after his back healed up and he started to get hot late last season.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
Ok, so we won 10 - 6.41Farmer1906 said:
Feels good to have things go your way for a change. Frame king Caratini doing work.Umpire: Adrian Johnson
— Umpire Scorecards (@UmpScorecards) April 9, 2024
Final: Astros 10, Rangers 5#Relentless // #StraightUpTX#HOUvsTEX // #TEXvsHOU
More stats for this game 👇https://t.co/Iso5IT5da5 pic.twitter.com/Q6fXJS7Bcp
I agree, he's not just slumping he looks washed.
I was a Big Jon supporter last year- thinking he could draw walks and hit some bombs. Unfortunately he doesn't look any better than Abreu.
Brandon Belt is out there. Coulda got Votto cheap earlier. I'm not sure if Loperfido can actually play the position in MLB. If he can, seems like he will get a shot. Maybe Will Wagner?
I was a Big Jon supporter last year- thinking he could draw walks and hit some bombs. Unfortunately he doesn't look any better than Abreu.
Brandon Belt is out there. Coulda got Votto cheap earlier. I'm not sure if Loperfido can actually play the position in MLB. If he can, seems like he will get a shot. Maybe Will Wagner?
It is pretty telling how they pitch him now. They just feed him fastballs and he has no chance at all to square them up. It is sad to say, but his signing was terrible and has put the club in a very tough spot. I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have big Jon getting the starts. He's got good plate discipline and at least has the ability to hit fastballs. It sure looks like Abreu no longer has the ability to hit anymore.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I will say... I was one of the biggest Abreu defenders last year and I was optimistic he would turn things around after his back healed up and he started to get hot late last season.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
Loperfido's batted ball data is much more encouraging to start this year than how he finished in AAA last year.
Singleton just isn't an MLB player unfortunately. I'm surprised he's still on the roster. I expected them to give Cabbage a shot since we pretty much know what we're getting from Jon already.
Loperfido isn't ready to play first at the big league level yet from what I understand. His bat is close (still needs to cut down on the strikeouts) but his defense at first needs work. Wagner probably could from a defense standpoint- but I don't think his bat is quite ready yet.
It's really just a bizarre situation. Lots of people blame Crane for the Abreu signing but I don't. He was a really good hitter and nobody could have expected his decline to happen so rapidly. Think about how good this lineup would be if he was just league average.
I'm disappointed they didn't sign a Garrett Cooper for cheap. I think Belt is pretty set on whatever number he wants. It would put Houston well above the next tax level. Maybe they'll be able to make a trade at some point for a cheap option.
It's just a brutal situation all around.
Loperfido isn't ready to play first at the big league level yet from what I understand. His bat is close (still needs to cut down on the strikeouts) but his defense at first needs work. Wagner probably could from a defense standpoint- but I don't think his bat is quite ready yet.
It's really just a bizarre situation. Lots of people blame Crane for the Abreu signing but I don't. He was a really good hitter and nobody could have expected his decline to happen so rapidly. Think about how good this lineup would be if he was just league average.
I'm disappointed they didn't sign a Garrett Cooper for cheap. I think Belt is pretty set on whatever number he wants. It would put Houston well above the next tax level. Maybe they'll be able to make a trade at some point for a cheap option.
It's just a brutal situation all around.
texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I will say... I was one of the biggest Abreu defenders last year and I was optimistic he would turn things around after his back healed up and he started to get hot late last season.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
Watching in person and being down the first base line you could just see he was behind on every fastball. And it was like 93-94. He just doesn't have it anymore, and really only had it for like 30 games last season.
The scouting report is throw high fastballs, or throw it outside and get him to flail at it in the other box
What about Dubon at 1st? Why do they seem to avoid that? He's a clear plus on offense, and they need to get him out there more.texasaggie2015 said:
Singleton just isn't an MLB player unfortunately. I'm surprised he's still on the roster. I expected them to give Cabbage a shot since we pretty much know what we're getting from Jon already.
Loperfido isn't ready to play first at the big league level yet from what I understand. His bat is close (still needs to cut down on the strikeouts) but his defense at first needs work. Wagner probably could from a defense standpoint- but I don't think his bat is quite ready yet.
It's really just a bizarre situation. Lots of people blame Crane for the Abreu signing but I don't. He was a really good hitter and nobody could have expected his decline to happen so rapidly. Think about how good this lineup would be if he was just league average.
I'm disappointed they didn't sign a Garrett Cooper for cheap. I think Belt is pretty set on whatever number he wants. It would put Houston well above the next tax level. Maybe they'll be able to make a trade at some point for a cheap option.
It's just a brutal situation all around.
You're not wrong.AustinCountyAg said:It is pretty telling how they pitch him now. They just feed him fastballs and he has no chance at all to square them up. It is sad to say, but his signing was terrible and has put the club in a very tough spot. I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have big Jon getting the starts. He's got good plate discipline and at least has the ability to hit fastballs. It sure looks like Abreu no longer has the ability to hit anymore.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I will say... I was one of the biggest Abreu defenders last year and I was optimistic he would turn things around after his back healed up and he started to get hot late last season.
But he doesn't look "off" anymore. He just looks slow. I think he's done. It's crazy how fast father time caught up to him. I expected the power to go down but I thought he was a good enough hitter to give us .280 and 30-40 doubles. It's just beyond unfortunate and nobody could have seen it coming.
It'll be really interesting to see how they handle first base if he doesn't get going by mid-May or so.
>60% 4 seam or sinker and he mainly just swings and misses.
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