***** 2024 Houston Astros Season Thread ***** [Staff Warning]

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Cooter00
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4 runs is a deep hole?
I'm fine if runners on base count towards the 4.
I'm not fine with 5 IP, 1R, 85 pitches
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Cooter00 said:

4 runs is a deep hole?
Yes, it very well can be especially if you you're facing the other team's ace. The Astros plated two runs last night in 10 innings, the 2nd via the horrific Manfred Man Rule.
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I'm not fine with 5 IP, 1R, 85 pitches
As I already stated, I'd like starters to go deeper into games but it is idiotic to force it by rule. This would be an extreme overreaction to how teams currently handle rotations. Please tell me how forcing teams to use a starter for six innings (or 100 pitches) in anyway improves the game on the field?
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EastCoastAgNc said:




So if JV recovers fine after this start he's possibly in the lineup to start early next week?
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Arlington fans are back to *****ing about Blue.

I get the Rangers are having a very, very frustrating season following a fantastic postseason run last year but Blue is not the reason they're going down in flames at the moment.
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65-55
6.0 games back of Wild Card bye (Yankees).
3.0 games lead in AL West (Seamen).
0.5 games back of 3rd Wild Card spot (Royals).

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jkag89 said:

Arlington fans are back to *****ing about Blue.

I get the Rangers are having a very, very frustrating season following a fantastic postseason run last year but Blue is not the reason they're going down in flames at the moment.


Bunch of titty babies.
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ChiSox coming to town had me thinking about the '05 season when we played them in the WS and overcoming that terrible start. Looked up both seasons, quite a few similarities.

Most games under .500:
2005 15 on May 27
2024 12 on May 8

The worst part of that:
2005 7-23 stretch from April 22-May 24 (about a month) to go from 8-7 to 15-30
2024 8-17 stretch from April 9 - May 8 (about a month) to go from 4-7 to 12-24

The worst month:
2005 10-19 May
2024 10-15 April + 0-4 March = 10-19

The best month (so far):
2005 July 22-7 (.759)
2024 August 9-3 (.750)

Finally got to .500 at:
2005 43-43
2024 40-40

First half finish
2005 44-43 (.506)
2024 50-46 (.521)

Second half (so far)
2005 45-30 (.600)
2024 15-9 (.625)

Record through 120 games
2005 64-56
2024 65-55

Final record vs. pace
2005 89-73
2024 87-75

Cooter00
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Yes I'm aware of the score of last nights game.
Blanco threw 73 pitches (hit on hand)
Littell threw 68 in 5 innings

Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.

It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.

Bottom line, it may need some tweaks but I don't hate the idea.
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Cooter00 said:

Yes I'm aware of the score of last nights game.
Blanco threw 73 pitches (hit on hand)
Littell threw 68 in 5 innings

Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.

It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.

Bottom line, it may need some tweaks but I don't hate the idea.


The bold is the bottom line why MLB is proposing it. They want more runs. They know the data that teams facing a guy a third time leads to more runs. Thus, mandatory 6 innings, 100 pitches, or 4 runs. MLB doesn't care about the pitcher in this case. It's not about player safety, or health, even if they say it is. It's about generating more runs.

I'm sorry, I think that's a crappy reason to institute a rule like this.

It's not an improvement to take quality competition away from the game, which is what this rule does. Forcing runs via a guy sucking is actually bad for the product.
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Beat40 said:

Cooter00 said:

Yes I'm aware of the score of last nights game.
Blanco threw 73 pitches (hit on hand)
Littell threw 68 in 5 innings

Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.

It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.

Bottom line, it may need some tweaks but I don't hate the idea.


The bold is the bottom line why MLB is proposing it. They want more runs. They know the data that teams facing a guy a third time leads to more runs. Thus, mandatory 6 innings, 100 innings, or 4 runs. MLB doesn't care about the pitcher in this case. It's not about player safety, or health, even if they say it is. It's about generating more runs.

I'm sorry, I think that's a crappy reason to institute a rule like this.

It's not an improvement to take quality competition away from the game, which is what this rule does. Forcing runs via a guy sucking is actually bad for the product.


This.
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Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.
Yes sometimes the other team's starter is better, I guess teams should just throw in the towel sacrifice some scrub vs another team's ace instead figuring out a way to use their staff in whatever manner it sees fit in an attempt to win the game. You got to know this is how some teams will handle this. it is already common in the college game where teams will not pitch their ace in the first game of the series in hopes they can still take a series with using their ace against the other team's #2 and the #2 against the #3. Are you now going to create a rule where the powers that be in New York dictate what pitchers start games. What about the postseason? Still a rule? Not all that hard to imagine a World Series for the Ages ruined because in Game 7 one team's starter is ineffective but MUST stay in the game.
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It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.
Or it might hurt the game by increasing the number of arm injuries because the starter MUST stay in the game due to an arbitrary rule. Take a guess which is more likely to cause an arm injury, a 100+ pitches thrown over seven, eight or even nine innings where most are not high leverage or forcing a pitcher who is struggling for whatever reason to throw multiple high pitch count innings until he meets the requirement of an arbitrary rule.
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. . . some tweaks . . .


At what level is the rule to be tested so it can be determined what tweaks are necessary. The minors? Makes sense in that that is where many rules are tested before being implemented in the Bigs but on the other hand these are levels in which teams develop and hone future talent. Whelp our ace of the future had his progress to the Show sidetracked because he now has a sore arm due to being FORCED to remain in a game in which his mechanics were a bit off due to an arbitrary rule. Which brings up the question, are rehab starts going to be exempt? Whelp the star that we're paying $40+ million a year has had his time on IL extended due to a setback in his rehab start. You can even extend this into their easing back into the rotation at major league level or are stars like Verlander, Scherzer, Eovaldi, etc. going to have to come out pen until ready go 6 innings (or 100 pitches)? Have you thought about any of this? A lot of tweaks to a rule to fix a "problem" that might just self correct if you let it.
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Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
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bearkatag15 said:




Who's going down? Diaz?
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42 games left at 65-55

.500 the rest of the way gets us to 86-76

I think the goal is 88 wins (23-19 finish). That would mean the mariners have to finish the season 25-15 to tie (they have tiebreaker unless we sweep them)

A 5-1 homestand would go a long way before the schedule gets REALLY difficult
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Beat40 said:

Cooter00 said:

Yes I'm aware of the score of last nights game.
Blanco threw 73 pitches (hit on hand)
Littell threw 68 in 5 innings

Sometimes the other teams starting pitcher is better. That's baseball.

It may improve the product by not having so many relievers blow away hitters.

Bottom line, it may need some tweaks but I don't hate the idea.


The bold is the bottom line why MLB is proposing it. They want more runs. They know the data that teams facing a guy a third time leads to more runs. Thus, mandatory 6 innings, 100 pitches, or 4 runs. MLB doesn't care about the pitcher in this case. It's not about player safety, or health, even if they say it is. It's about generating more runs.

I'm sorry, I think that's a crappy reason to institute a rule like this.

It's not an improvement to take quality competition away from the game, which is what this rule does. Forcing runs via a guy sucking is actually bad for the product.


You could say the same about shifting the infield. I hate all these new rules.
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Agree 100%. Banning the shift is a joke. If a Major League Baseball player can't learn to lay down a bunt for a hit, that's on him. I dislike this almost as much as manfred ball. Quit tinkering with the game.
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tjack16 said:

bearkatag15 said:




Who's going down? Diaz?

Hopefully chas
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Chas could use a break, but also regular ABs.

Probably gonna be Leon, though
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BQRyno said:

Agree 100%. Banning the shift is a joke. If a Major League Baseball player can't learn to lay down a bunt for a hit, that's on him. I dislike this almost as much as manfred ball. Quit tinkering with the game.


Agreed 100%
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So we're just gonna ignore this Whitcomb news?

Dana sure isn't messing around in trying to find a corner OFer worth a shlt.

Makes me think he is not optimistic about Tucker.
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Whitcomb wasn't on the 40 man, was he?
We have to boot someone. My guess is it will be A. Diaz.
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Adios Aledmys
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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Yesterday was horrible army, I got home from work. Had to sit there and stare at my kids while something called a "despicable me" was on tv. Dinner had no flavor, small talk stoned on in the background like an adult in a Peanuts cartoon. It was a little taste of the off season, and I'm not ready for it.

Thank God we have the mercy killing of the ChiSox this evening, I can't handle Astros-less weeknights
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I imagine it will be Leon being sent down.

Edit for clarification: This isn't inside information
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Either going to have to DFA Diaz or Leon.
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Yeah, coffee hasn't hit yet so I forgot they need to open a spot on the 40-man.

I haven't had time to look but they could move France to the 60-day and send Leon back to Sugar Land to open a spot I believe.
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tjack16 said:

bearkatag15 said:




Who's going down? Diaz?
You are going to have to be a little more specific about which Diaz you want to go away.
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This will also protect Whitcomb from the Rule 5 draft
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I'm not sure I can remember a year where so many new field players were brought up. The COVID season was the year of the new pitcher. But this year it's fielders.

Whitcomb
Leon
Joey
Zach
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How could you forget Cooper Hummel?
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So the rangerettes are still b*tching about the umps. Does someone have the full season rankings because I'm fairly sure we're still last or next to last and I'm curious where the poor, targeted arlingtonians rank.
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texasaggie2015 said:

How could you forget Cooper Hummel?
Exactly.
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texasaggie2015 said:

How could you forget Cooper Hummel?
Or Blair Henley
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Prosperdick said:

So the rangerettes are still b*tching about the umps. Does someone have the full season rankings because I'm fairly sure we're still last or next to last and I'm curious where the poor, targeted arlingtonians rank.
According to Umpire Scorecard, they have been favored in 55% of their games. We have been favored in 43%.

I'm most of the metrics we are worse than them.

Fortunately we lead in the all important metrics of "wins".
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Ok. To add to the "who the hell were they" list,

Cooper Hummels
Jacob Amaya
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