*****Official 2023-2024 Texas Rangers Off-season Thread*****

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"Crim, like Foscue, has done all he can in the Minors."



Hell to the no.


This is the type of decision non-contending teams make. He either earns the spot or he doesn't. Having done "all he can in the minors" doesn't have a damn thing do with the decision. Take the best player, period. If Crim or Foscue or Hernandez or whoever can't make this team on the merit of their performance, let some other team give them a participation trophy for being in the minors too long.
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He has a 4.89 Career ERA in 143 GS. 839.1 IP.


ABD got a 5.27 in 10GS and 114.1 IP.

I get your point, but I think you need 2-3 guys like Urena around and he is the kind of P I expected us to carry. Sure, he likely spends most of his time in RR. I sure hope so (agreed).

I'd really rather someone like Leiter show the confidence from the coaches that allows him to start getting some GS at the MLB level.
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Maybe you've missed my point.

You will never know if Foscue or Crim can compete at the MLB level if they never get a chance.

Blaine Crim
'23 (26): 133G, .290, 22 HR, .385 OBP, .891 OPS <- AAA
'22 (25): 132G, .293, 27 HR, .357 OBP, .843 OPS <- AA/AAA

It isn't about giving charity it is about giving a chance. Is there anything else in AAA that you think needs to be seen by a guy that hit .290 with 22 HRs?

I'm less inclined to think Foscue has a future here, but I thought that when we drafted him. He was a terrible pick when we already had 4-5 guys ahead of him for a DH-Only role. For Foscue, we have to decide if it is smart to have him as a DH-Only player at 25.
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DallasAg 94 said:

Maybe you've missed my point.

You will never know if Foscue or Crim can compete at the MLB level if they never get a chance.

Blaine Crim
'23 (26): 133G, .290, 22 HR, .385 OBP, .891 OPS <- AAA
'22 (25): 132G, .293, 27 HR, .357 OBP, .843 OPS <- AA/AAA

It isn't about giving charity it is about giving a chance. Is there anything else in AAA that you think needs to be seen by a guy that hit .290 with 22 HRs?

I'm less inclined to think Foscue has a future here, but I thought that when we drafted him. He was a terrible pick when we already had 4-5 guys ahead of him for a DH-Only role. For Foscue, we have to decide if it is smart to have him as a DH-Only player at 25.


No, I got your point. But IMO their chance should be earned by performance only. I don't care if he's done all he can in the minors. That doesn't mean he automatically gets a shot. Again...that's the approach non-contending teams take. This is a WS potential team. Every AB, every inning pitched, needs to be given to players the organization believes can perform. Not "let's throw him out there and see how he does". Now maybe they believe they can. But when you say things like "you'll never know if___ can perform unless you give them a chance " it (IMO) introduces a factor in the equation that should have absolutely no relevance for a championship caliber team.
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rbtexan said:

DallasAg 94 said:

Maybe you've missed my point.

You will never know if Foscue or Crim can compete at the MLB level if they never get a chance.

Blaine Crim
'23 (26): 133G, .290, 22 HR, .385 OBP, .891 OPS <- AAA
'22 (25): 132G, .293, 27 HR, .357 OBP, .843 OPS <- AA/AAA

It isn't about giving charity it is about giving a chance. Is there anything else in AAA that you think needs to be seen by a guy that hit .290 with 22 HRs?

I'm less inclined to think Foscue has a future here, but I thought that when we drafted him. He was a terrible pick when we already had 4-5 guys ahead of him for a DH-Only role. For Foscue, we have to decide if it is smart to have him as a DH-Only player at 25.


No, I got your point. But IMO their chance should be earned by performance only. I don't care if he's done all he can in the minors. That doesn't mean he automatically gets a shot. Again...that's the approach non-contending teams take. This is a WS potential team. Every AB, every inning pitched, needs to be given to players the organization believes can perform. Not "let's throw him out there and see how he does". Now maybe they believe they can. But when you say things like "you'll never know if___ can perform unless you give them a chance " it (IMO) introduces a factor in the equation that should have absolutely no relevance for a championship caliber team.


I'm reading your posts and think you might be missing the point here.

You don't do charity promotions. This isn't a Make A Wish situation. But when you have a guy that has done really well in all levels and then a guy that might have higher upside and is doing well in ST, you might want to first see if the more experienced guy can make the jump to MLB with the same production. If Crim can put up numbers in MLB like he has in the minors, you have a dude on your hands. Only one way to find out though…
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I don't have a problem at all with Crim making the team - if he's the best option. Also this isn't rotisserie...defense matters, and he's not a great fielder.

The Rangers have shown they'll promote players to the show if they earn it (Evan Carter). But sometimes there's a reason a player is about to turn 27 and hasn't even gotten a cup of coffee in the majors.
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Somebody has the "Friday Afternoon Blues."
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Adolis was 28 before really getting a shot
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Langford homered again

Leiter: 3 IP, 2H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
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Line is not great for Leiter, but apparently Langford lost a foul ball in the sun that should have been caught right before the HR. Twitter said he was filling the zone, but still walked 2. So who knows.
DallasAg 94
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Sounds like enough to keep interest. 2BBs isn't ideal, but after a clean 1st, looks like he gave up a single then HR in the 2nd but shut things down from there. Led off 3rd with a BB but was clean after that.

Hopefully this is him turning the corner and having something to build on. I don't think he was ever in contention for the 5th SP spot, but hopefully there was enough for Bochy/Maddux to have confidence.

We'll see what the coaches have to say.





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He seems to give up quite a few long balls.
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Look who gave up the HR to Langford


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gigem1223
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Walsh just went deep. If I had to guess, he's our opening day 1st baseman.
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I think he's been quite good at the plate. I think he'd also get the first crack at DH too if I had to guess.
DallasAg 94
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He has a pretty crazy story in how he got here:

https://theathletic.com/4495101/2023/05/06/angels-jared-walsh-neurological-issues/

Oct '23, Halos outrighted him off their 40 and he elected FA.

If he is on the road to recovery... we might have a nice DH who can play 1B at an AS level.


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Mr Gigem said:

Look who gave up the HR to Langford



We've all seen that pitch #5, haven't we?
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Can someone explain how or why the Astros got Yordan Alvarez from the dodgers for pretty much nothing? It always frustrates me to no end that we might have been able to get Yordan if the Darvish trade was made sooner.

I'm assuming the dodgers traded Yordan because no DH existed in the national league at the time. It's a similar reason why we were forced to take Willie for Darvish. The Darvish trade was an epic failure as we all know now.
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_lefraud_ said:

Adolis was 28 before really getting a shot


And we obtained him for a bag of baseballs.
rbtexan
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Flounder Dorfman said:

_lefraud_ said:

Adolis was 28 before really getting a shot


And we obtained him for a bag of baseballs.
Adolis is from Cuba. Entirely different set of circumstances, give me a break.

Also, for point of reference, Adolis got big league ABs with the Cardinals in 2018 at age 25. Crim, as I stated, is about to be 27 and has never appeared in a MLB game. Even Nelson Cruz, the poster child for the "he might be a late bloomer" crowd got his first cup of coffee in the majors at age 24.

Maybe he makes it and gets some ABs this season. Maybe he even breaks camp with the team. But I suspect Crim is going to be more of a Nick Solack or Willie Calhoun than another Adolis Garcia.
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rbtexan said:

Flounder Dorfman said:

_lefraud_ said:

Adolis was 28 before really getting a shot


And we obtained him for a bag of baseballs.
Adolis is from Cuba. Entirely different set of circumstances, give me a break.

Also, for point of reference, Adolis got big league ABs with the Cardinals in 2018 at age 25. Crim, as I stated, is about to be 27 and has never appeared in a MLB game. Even Nelson Cruz, the poster child for the "he might be a late bloomer" crowd got his first cup of coffee in the majors at age 24.

Maybe he makes it and gets some ABs this season. Maybe he even breaks camp with the team. But I suspect Crim is going to be more of a Nick Solack or Willie Calhoun than another Adolis Garcia.


I think you're confusing me with someone who gives a crap.

I'm not making a case either way. Crim might or might not make it in big leagues. If not, he'll join a long line of people who never did.
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I know it seems like I'm crapping all over Crim. I don't mean to, I genuinely hope the guy makes it to the majors. My overarching point is, you have to look long and hard to find more than a handful of position players other than catchers who break into the majors in their late 20s and have sustained success. Happens quite often with pitchers, but not so much with position players.

Best case scenario for Crim would be to get some ABs for the Rangers at some point this year, have some success, and then get traded to a team where he's a better fit. I just don't see a long-term future on this team for a 1B/DH with limited defense and speed. That's not the kind of bench player needed where the Rangers are currently. JMO
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Completely agree with you.
rbtexan
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I was responding more to lefraud than you, Flounder. I just grabbed your response to his post because I was too lazy to scroll up farther.
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Looks like Crim at 1B.

I didn't see a GS from Yerry Rodriguez coming.

Good to Leody in CF.

This looks like a day to give some Opening Day guys a rest while letting a few guys get one last game before being reassigned.
Wendzel 3B, Crim 1B, Derek Hill, RF, and Elier LF are all NRI, and Huff C is likely 3rd C out. Only 12 more days of games in Surprise. There are 2 SSs and the Breakout game vs the Reds.





DallasAg 94
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MLB: #7 Farm system

https://www.mlb.com/rangers/news/farm-system-rankings-2024-preseason?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage


ETA:
Worth noting players traded that were worth the trade but likely lowered our ranking.

Cards: #3 Roby (#99overall) and #5 Saggesse
NYM: #3 Acuna (#66overall)
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This is an interesting move...


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/03/rangers-acquire-jose-barrero.html

Rangers pickup Jose Barrerro on Waivers. He is out of Options, so... he is either on the Rangers OD Roster or he becomes a FA.

Once highly touted, he becomes Arb eligble after 2024. Mostly SS, but can be a Util guy having played OF, 2B, etc. Rangers moved Rule V pick Coleman to 60IL and this becomes a corresponding move. Which means, I believe we still have 37 on the 40.

Why would the Rangers do that?

Lowe likely starts OD on the IL. We could use Jared Walsh, NRI, but would need to put him on the 40. Walsh was an AS with the LAAA, as mentioned.

Seager is questionable for OD. Duran is projected at SS if Seager goes to IL10.

Jung is questionable.

This could be an indication that Jung, Seager, and Lowe all start OD on the IL.

At the end of the day, we just picked up another lottery ticket who could start the season with the club and get a free trial with the club.
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Rangers pickup Jose Barrerro on Waivers. He is out of Options, so... he is either on the Rangers OD Roster or he becomes a FA.
I'm not sure that's completely accurate. I believe since he was a waiver claim and was out of options, he'd be DFA'd, which theoretically would give the Rangers an opportunity to hold on to him if no other team claims him.
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Also remember, we are last on the waiver priority so everyone else already passed.
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Since Barrero is out of options, Texas would have to either carry him on the 26-man roster or expose him to waivers in order to send him back down to Triple-A,

True.
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Article is a little long, but Montgomery folding firm on seeking a seven year deal. Teams are biting though.


DallasAg 94
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I can't say I blame him, but on the other hand... we'll see if the market bears out.

It sounds like he probably has a decent offer on the table from the BoSox. Enough so he doesn't seem too concerned. I don't get Boston's position here. The article puts them in the $211 CBT range but they are not close to competing with the O's... nor the Yankees, whom I believe are not that strong.

I think the Mariner's, Rangers, and Astros all make it from the AL West and that will leave only 2 teams from the ALEast.

Not sure anyone else is engaged, at this point, as teams are busy locking in their OD Roster.

The "Angels interested in Snell" and how he loves SoCal seem farfetched. Why would they give up picks AND waste money?!

I don't see either team competing this year or next.
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What about the Angels ever makes sense? They should have traded Ohtani when they had the chance and didn't. They probably should have tried to trade Trout. Instead they overpay for free agents that seem to never really pan out.
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