Up to 5 steals, one of them including a bad throw to 2nd by Diaz leading to a run scoring. Framber is done after 1.1IP, 2 earned runs, 1 unearned.

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0-2 homer allowed from the first batter of the spring against Framber.

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Oops on that pitch call

It's worse without having any statcast data.

On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

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So just jumped on to get single game tix and every single 200 section for a random may Friday is sold out.

Is this normal?

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They probably aren't up for sale yet. I still am getting emails trying to sell me season tickets personally, even though I've told them I already have them via company.

The Porkchop Express said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Up to 5 steals, one of them including a bad throw to 2nd by Diaz leading to a run scoring. Framber is done after 1.1IP, 2 earned runs, 1 unearned.

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Miss me yet?

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Jesus man! Have some self respect!!!

Framber Valdez's first Grapefruit League start is over. He allowed seven of the 11 batters he faced to reach base. CJ Abrams had two hits against him, including a leadoff, opposite-field home run. Valdez walked a batter, hit another and allowed five hits.

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) March 1, 2024

Framber Valdez's first Spring Training outing: 1 1/3 innings 5 hits, 3 ER, 2 K, 1 HR, 1 walk, 1 HBP.

— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) March 1, 2024

EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Diaz wasn't allowed to catch….you mean Maldy


Edit: thanks dusty

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Diaz wasn't allowed to catch….you mean Maldy

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I believe he was referring to today.

And it doesn't matter when you implode that spectacularly.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Ultimately the pitcher is in control of what pitches he throws. The catcher can call it and the pitcher either agrees or shakes him off. It's not exactly a huge stretch for guys to move on from catcher to their own.

“I think the more and more I go in spring, the more I’m going to raise the intensity,” Valdez said.

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) March 1, 2024

Just for my sanity.
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Framber vs Monty

2020-2023
Player - fWAR - ERA - FIP - xFIP - SIERA - IP
Valdrez - 12.5 - 3.19 - 3.39 - 3.25 - 3.50 - 604.2
Monty - 11.1 - 3.61 - 3.64 - 3.78 - 3.96 - 568.1

Maybe Framber just had a really good season that skews the data. 2020/1 Monty hadn't broken out just yet.

Seasons Ranked 2020-2021

ERA-
Framber has the top 2 seasons and 4 of the top 5.

FIP-
Framber has the top seasons and 3 of the top 4.

xFIP-
Framber has the top 3 seasons and 4 of the top 5.

K%+
Framber has the top seasons and 3 of the top 4.

WAR
Framber has the top 2, but Monty has 3 of the top 5.

Maybe the 2020-2023 window is too large. Lets just look at 2023 only. Monty's best season of his career.

Player - fWAR - ERA - FIP - xFIP - SIERA - IP
Valdrez - 4.3 - 3.45 - 3.50 - 3.39 - 3.70 - 198.0
Monty - 4.3 - 3.20 - 3.56 - 4.01 - 4.23 - 188.2

It's close. I could see arguments either way. I probably lean towards Framber if I'm projecting forward based on the FIP, xFIP, and SIERA.

Farmer1906 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Ultimately the pitcher is in control of what pitches he throws. The catcher can call it and the pitcher either agrees or shakes him off. It's not exactly a huge stretch for guys to move on from catcher to their own.

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With PitchCom it will all most likely be coming from the bench once the season starts anyway.

AgLA06 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Ultimately the pitcher is in control of what pitches he throws. The catcher can call it and the pitcher either agrees or shakes him off. It's not exactly a huge stretch for guys to move on from catcher to their own.

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With PitchCom it will all most likely be coming from the bench once the season starts anyway.

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I have always wondered how the whole process goes. It probably wouldn't be hard to write some type of program to decide on what pitch to throw next.

Input

• pitcher's pitch repertoire
• L/R splits
• Batter's scouting report
• How the pitch looks on a given day (stuff+, spin, velo, etc)
• What was thrown in an earlier plate appearance with the results of said PA.
• Count of the at bat
• And maybe a few more things I am missing.

Put a weight on each of these factors, maybe incorporate some AI, do some testing, and you have a scientific pitch caller. Its one less thing for the catcher & pitcher to worry about.

Baby Astros are torching the Baby Nationals. 5 run inning to make it 7-4 Astros.

Farmer1906 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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On the point of him calling pitches, the radio guys pointed out that he did not do that at any point today. Diaz called everything.

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Ultimately the pitcher is in control of what pitches he throws. The catcher can call it and the pitcher either agrees or shakes him off. It's not exactly a huge stretch for guys to move on from catcher to their own.

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With PitchCom it will all most likely be coming from the bench once the season starts anyway.

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I have always wondered how the whole process goes. It probably wouldn't be hard to write some type of program to decide on what pitch to throw next.

Input

• pitcher's pitch repertoire
• L/R splits
• Batter's scouting report
• How the pitch looks on a given day (stuff+, spin, velo, etc)
• What was thrown in an earlier plate appearance with the results of said PA.
• Count of the at bat
• And maybe a few more things I am missing.

Put a weight on each of these factors, maybe incorporate some AI, do some testing, and you have a scientific pitch caller. Its one less thing for the catcher & pitcher to worry about.

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So, it's probably changed / evolved since I was involved in game planning for opposing batters. 20 years ago it was watching game film with the pitching coach and senior pitchers and reviewing advanced scouting for tendencies and weaknesses to come up with a plan on how to pitch each potential batter based on the pitcher's strengths / weaknesses and the situation (runners on base or not, fly ball vs ground ball vs strikeout pitcher, etc).

I'm sure today with all the buku data for both their pitchers and the opposing batters, they run analytics to determine the best combination of pitches / locations for each hitter per the situation (need a ground ball or fly ball or no contact). To be honest, there was time when a pitcher was hot or feeling a certain pitch that somewhat went out the window unless that pitch was the hitters strength.

As far as how a hitter looked previously (completely fooled or good contact) we generally took each plate appearance separate from the last unless they just appeared clueless. Good hitters would get work in between at bats / review film and their approach / swing could change dramatically to the same pitch.

The situation (base runners on vs not) and how the pitcher was feeling (what was working and not like our spin statistics show) would generally be the main reasons to deviate.

That is a good point.

Eh, it used to be as long as you were matching your pitchers strengths to their weaknesses, it didn't matter if they knew your game plan. Because it was the same game plan every other team had as well.

Pena knew he was going to get weak on the outside all last year. So did Biggio and Altuve. If they don't make the adjustment or get better at hitting that pitch, it didn't matter.

It was very rare for someone to say, "I'm going after his best hitting zone spot and throwing the pitch he likes to hit" in order to surprise a hitter. But there are plenty of guys like Verlander and stud closers that have the ego and ability to do just that and still win (show who's daddy).

Wow this guy is something

Typical. It's always somebody else's fault

Big Cat `93 said:

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It's Nike's fault. Fanatics just bought the Majestic production facility, which Nike uses to make their ridiculous ideas into reality.

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100% all Nike's fault ultimately.

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So did Fanatics have absolutely no say in the matter?

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They're the MFGer. I would assume they're making the product to Nike's order. Generally, the customer will provide specs, drawings, etc and the manufacturer builds to that. A good manufacturer/partner will provide some engineering support. They could have raised the red flag to Nike.

Correct. Fanatics just does what Nike tells them.

https://uni-watch.com/2024/02/14/nike-and-fanatics-whos-responsible-for-mlbs-new-uniforms/

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Ag_07 said:

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So did Fanatics have absolutely no say in the matter?

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They're the MFGer. I would assume they're making the product to Nike's order. Generally, the customer will provide specs, drawings, etc and the manufacturer builds to that. A good manufacturer/partner will provide some engineering support. They could have raised the red flag to Nike.

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Maybe they did. We don't know if they did or not. I doubt Fanatics is going to throw Nike under the bus by making that public this early into the new jerseys. Fanatics has made a lot of money from Nike.

I imagine if Fanatics begins to have a longer term fallout from this, they will start throwing Nike under the bus.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39611944/jays-alek-manoah-hits-3-batters-rocky-first-spring-start
Remember this guy? Got demoted twice last year to the minors after being really good in 2022. Refused to report to AAA for his second demotion last year. I can't see how they keep him around much longer.