***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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Everyone on this board should post "Go Rangers" on their board once a day for the rest of time,, and all of the guys on the Arlington board should post Go Astros once a day on our thread to see what staff does.
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texasaggie2015 said:

Surely staff can see the edit history.

And yes- I agree. This isn't a Rangers vs Astros fan thing. There's idiots on both sides as there is in any facet of life. The vast majority of us on both sides are good folks.

I just ask for fair moderation. That's all.
They honestly DGAF. The other thread has a significant amount more complaining and thin skin, so it gets clamped down on harder to appease. Every year, whoever this moderator is tries to convince everyone he is an "Astros fan" in hopes that makes him seem fair and that is about the only response given. You won't get responses over email because you don't pay them anything...although it is a little surprising they are unaware that you generate more clicks and income as a valued poster. I'd take your talents to south beach if I were you, but personally thank you for sticking around.
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If moderator does get out of hand, is there an alternative Astros board that we could migrate to?
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so Yordan in the 2-hole...

okay, that's better than Dusty putting him in the 5-hole

one concern though...a potential GiDP machine is hitting behind him

the opponent's go-to strategy will always be...walk Yordan and get the 6-4-3 from Bregman
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Big Bucks said:

If moderator does get out of hand, is there an alternative Astros board that we could migrate to?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Astros/ probably best bet
https://ts.la/eric59704
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Those folks are idiots…

Edit to add, reminds me of listening to talk radio and dumb callers who don't have a clue, but I have to read it which makes it worse
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W said:

so Yordan in the 2-hole...

okay, that's better than Dusty putting him in the 5-hole

one concern though...a potential GiDP machine is hitting behind him

the opponent's go-to strategy will always be...walk Yordan and get the 6-4-3 from Bregman

Not contract year Bregman
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Farmer1906 said:

jkag89 said:

bearkatag15 said:

The fact that he's not banned for posting here is all you need to know about the moderation on these threads. ****ing hypocrites
I'm sick of this ***** Unless he posted something later that I did not see, Grape posted nothing worthy of being removed from this thread nor should he be put into time out for it. I thought we were better than the Arlington fans about this BS.


I agree. I was mostly being sarcastic and over the top because of how each thread reacts. We should be able to post innocuous simple baseball stuff or questions in each others thread. Too many people go too far or troll. Or one side gets sensitive over nothing. Like when someone asks for food recommendation in each others city.
"But bro, you asked about food recommendations like an hour after the rangers got destroyed by the Astros. You didn't even have the decency to wait until the next morning to ask. Of course people were going to be mad! You knew this and were clearly trolling!"

The Arlington thread is so emotionally weak.
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I hope they do.

Alex Bregman with runners on the last 2 seasons

.291 BA
.398 OBP
.512 SLG
.910 OPS

His wRC+ with runners on is 156, good for 5th in baseball (min 500 PA). Just behind Alavrz & Goldschmidt and just ahead of Tucker & Olson.
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W said:

so Yordan in the 2-hole...

okay, that's better than Dusty putting him in the 5-hole

one concern though...a potential GiDP machine is hitting behind him

the opponent's go-to strategy will always be...walk Yordan and get the 6-4-3 from Bregman
If that's the opponent's strategy, they will be the dumbest MFers in MLB. You are overblowing this. With Bregman's OBP, they also run the risk of 2-on, at minimum, for Tucker.

Yordan at 2 is going to be awesome, especially with Altuve at 1. That 1-2 is going to be brutal for opposing pitchers.
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Beat40 said:

W said:

so Yordan in the 2-hole...

okay, that's better than Dusty putting him in the 5-hole

one concern though...a potential GiDP machine is hitting behind him

the opponent's go-to strategy will always be...walk Yordan and get the 6-4-3 from Bregman
If that's the opponent's strategy, they will be the dumbest MFers in MLB. You are overblowing this. With Bregman's OBP, they also run the risk of 2-on, at minimum, for Tucker.

Yordan at 2 is going to be awesome, especially with Altuve at 1. That 1-2 is going to be brutal for opposing pitchers.
We briefly talked about this a few days ago.

My thoughts then.

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How often does that happen tho? Correa led the league in GDP at 30. That's like a once-a-week issue over a 162-game season. Factor in the lack of games for Correa, maybe twice a week.

Last year the 3-hole saw almost double the amount of '2 Outs, No One On' than any other position in the lineup. Almost 22% of the 3-hole total PAs are '2 Outs, No One On'. It would stand to reason we want someone who can still do damage because they're in a lot of favorable situations yet not be our best HR hitter who will load up on solo shots just due to opportunities. A high on base guy, like Bregman, fits that role to start the 2 out rally for TED.
The benefits of Yordan getting more PAs and fewer with 2 outs w/ no one on far outweigh the chance of pitching around then potential GDP.
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Bingo.
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Plus with Yordan in front of him I expect most of Bregs' ABs to be with the bases empty.
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Big Bucks said:

If moderator does get out of hand, is there an alternative Astros board that we could migrate to?


Someone revive The Tine Board
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"Espada is trending more toward Hinch's methods" and "He likes people to have defined roles" is such a wonderful thing to read.
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Just touched down in West Palm Beach!
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I think having people to defined roles is a good thing overall.

I think in places like the bullpen, it should matter less to take advantage of everyone's skills appropriately, but either way, I do like what I'm hearing about Espada!

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Based on what we have seen, when Yordan DHes, what kind of order are we looking at?

Joe has already given us 1-4
  • Altuve
  • Alvarez
  • Bregman
  • Tucker

I assume is 8-9 is
  • Pena
  • Meyers.

How would you order: Chas, Yainer, and Jose Abreu? How will Joe?

Based on 2023 production - Chas, Yainer, Abreu.

But does Abreu get the vet special? Does Chas regress? Does Yainer have a sophomore slump?

Edit:
Other ST Lineups with the middle 3
2/28
1. Chas
2. Yainer

2/27
5. Abreu
6. Yainer

2/26
1. Chas

2/25
4. Abreu
5. Yainer

This makes me think Abreu over Yainer, but who knows with Chas.
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Yainer, Chas, Abreu
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I think we Yanier further down the order than we would expect the first half of the year to try to ease him into full time play. In his at bats last year he seemed to press a little at times. I'm guessing he hits 7-8 so there isn't pressure to keep a rally going until they feel he has the swing of things and move him up toward the end of the year.

Also keep in mind. As a catcher, you want to take the gear off as little as possible. So further down the order allows you to sit on the bench and rest a little more instead of taking of the gear to stand on deck before putting it back on.

Hopefully he hits so well, he's in the 5 or 6 hole by the all-star break.
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Diaz
Chas
Abreu

But I'd also be good with
Diaz
Abreu
Chas
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Ford and Sparky said on the radio the other day that Espada wants Abreu 5th which means Diaz is 6th
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Whoever strikes out the least should bat 5th. I assume that is abreu. Espada is giving tucker the chance to drive in 130+ runs and name his salary next year with that top 4
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Altuve
Alvarez
Bregman
Tucker
Abreu
Diaz
McCormick
Pena
Myers

That's pretty damn sexy.
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Yeah Abreu has been an RBI guy his entire career and I'd trust him in that 5 hole to start out.

I don't want Yanier having the extra pressure of being a run producer as he adjusts to playing full time.
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Ag_07 said:

Yeah Abreu has been an RBI guy his entire career and I'd trust him in that 5 hole to start out.

I don't want Yanier having the extra pressure of being a run producer as he adjusts to playing full time.

Agree
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I love Meyers in the 9-hole with his above average speed and upside with his swing. If he can get on base for the top of our lineup that's so big compared to the black hole we've had in the past.

I'm certainly higher on Meyers than most but I've been told several times the organization things he has very high upside. It's all between the ears for him. If he gets consistent ABs and his confidence goes up.. we could watch a really good player develop before our eyes.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Whoever strikes out the least should bat 5th. I assume that is abreu. Espada is giving tucker the chance to drive in 130+ runs and name his salary next year with that top 4


Last year, that was Yainer. He was at 19.6% or 65th percentile. If we ignore his season in 2022 of just 9 plate appearances, the 19.6% is the highest of his career. In the minors he was 17.8% in AAA (2022), 15.0% in AA (2022), and similar the years before.

Clearly, it's not his eye that's keeping him from striking out. It's his elite bat to ball skills. Thats why I'm so high on his ceiling. If he starts to be more patient and somewhat selective, he's going to be All MLB / SS good. He got the pop and got the contact rate. He just needs to unlock one more thing.
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Even if he doesn't work out, I would love Dubon there too. Good problems to have at the bottom of the lineup.
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bearkatag15 said:

Ford and Sparky said on the radio the other day that Espada wants Abreu 5th which means Diaz is 6th


Unless that means Chas 6th and Diaz 7th.

I'm okay with giving Abreu a shot, but if he looks like he did most of 2023 again then he needs to goto 7th or lower. We can't have him guy hitting well below league average in the 5 hole long term. We'd be better off with Pena there.
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My lineup would be:

Altive
Alvarez
Bregman
Tucker
Yainer
Abreu (If he's back to fully healthy)
Chas
Pena
Meyers
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All I do is Nguyen said:

My lineup would be:

Altive
Alvarez
Bregman
Tucker
Yainer
Abreu (If he's back to fully healthy)
Chas
Pena
Meyers

I suspect this will be the lineup later on down the road.

I just can't see them starting off by throwing Yanier in the full time roll while also telling him he's going to be protecting Tucker and leaned on as an RBI producer in the middle of the lineup.
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Farmer1906 said:

Even if he doesn't work out, I would love Dubon there too. Good problems to have at the bottom of the lineup.
That's a positive aspect of having a manager who understands things like "baseball strategy" and "roster optimization". Just because Jake might have first crack at the CF job he's going to play there everyday. We have a flexible roster that should allow for Chas and Dubon to also spend some time in CF, depending on matchups, rest, etc.

Has Jake done enough to warrant being a starting CF for a team with World Series aspirations? Not necessarily. But the way the roster is currently constructed, I don't have any issue with giving him a shot and letting him hit ninth. He's had a few hot stretches over the last few years that show he has the tools. Just has to put it together and establish consistency.

If he doesn't, we have other options. It would be nice to have Dubon in a pure utility role this year and allocate more days off around the diamond, but he's fine in CF if Jake isn't (especially now that he would hit in the nine hole... not lead off lol).

If both of those options fail, we could acquire a CF or LF at the deadline since Chas can play either.
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