***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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Id be more fine if Roberts screwed it up by running his mouth
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Buehler will be back. Year 2 of Miller. I would expect them to land one of Cease, Burns, or Glasnow. They have plenty of money to spend too.

Their lineup is going to be nasty with the top looking something like this.
-Betts
-Freeman
-Ohtani
-Smith
-Muncy

I except them to be very good and challenge the Braves for best record in baseball.

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I just don't get how the Dodgers have so much more money than we have. We've had more success and have spent less.
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tjack16 said:

I just don't get how the Dodgers have so much more money than we have. We've had more success and have spent less.
They have money committed to Betts & Freeman. Everyone else is cheap, in arbitration, or pre-arbitration. They're paying 3 guys more than 10 M. We are paying 9 guys more than 10 M (not counting Framber & Tucker who will be above that).

Dodgers have been getting things to make a run at Ohtani for 2 years.
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Farmer1906 said:

Buehler will be back. Year 2 of Miller. I would expect them to land one of Cease, Burns, or Glasnow. They have plenty of money to spend too.

Their lineup is going to be nasty with the top looking something like this.
-Betts
-Freeman
-Ohtani
-Smith
-Muncy

I except them to be very good and challenge the Braves for best record in baseball.




Oh I know. I don't expect them to suck at all. They will be very good.

I think Cease is very good, but honestly, unless an organization can unlock his inconsistency and gain ability to go deeper into games, I don't worry about him a ton. I do t want the Astros to entertain anything with Cease that is barely an over pay.

Glasgow is very good.

Burns would be the one I would worry about the most.

Still have to see how Miller is in year 2 - will he slump a little? Even if they add one of those 3, they still have the issues I mentioned. It will be a strong rotation, for sure, but they still have a lot of issues that don't make them super scary to me. Just my opinion obviously.
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Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

I just don't get how the Dodgers have so much more money than we have. We've had more success and have spent less.
They have money committed to Betts & Freeman. Everyone else is cheap, in arbitration, or pre-arbitration. They're paying 3 guys more than 10 M. We are paying 9 guys more than 10 M (not counting Framber & Tucker who will be above that).

Dodgers have been getting things to make a run at Ohtani for 2 years.


I'm guessing our Abreu and Montero deals aren't helping much. Still frustrating how it seems like they are in play for literally every trade and free agent every year.
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tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

I just don't get how the Dodgers have so much more money than we have. We've had more success and have spent less.
They have money committed to Betts & Freeman. Everyone else is cheap, in arbitration, or pre-arbitration. They're paying 3 guys more than 10 M. We are paying 9 guys more than 10 M (not counting Framber & Tucker who will be above that).

Dodgers have been getting things to make a run at Ohtani for 2 years.


I'm guessing our Abreu and Montero deals aren't helping much. Still frustrating how it seems like they are in play for literally every trade and free agent every year.


Yes (Montero & Abreu), but we also pay JV 17 M, LMJ 17 M, & Javier 10 M. They don't have money committed to SP. We also pay Pressly 14 M. Their closer is still early in his career under team control.

They also have a well oiled machine for the minors. They develop very well. They draft well. They make strong international signing.

They just can't seem to win in the postseason.
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I feel like Crane should let Dana spend $11.5M over whatever our limit would be. Basically, let him operate like the stupid Montero signing didn't happen.

That $17.5M to LMJ hurts, too. It's like the two seasons we paid JV a combined $66M to not pitch for us.
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Perfect fit. Dewsh player to a Dewsh filled franchise
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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We expecting any more action for the Astros today?
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Id be more fine if Roberts screwed it up by running his mouth
Sure - but if it meant Ohtani ends up somewhere like Atlanta, I'd like it a lot less if Roberts screwed it up.
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Mr.Bond said:

linkdude said:







Perfect fit. Dewsh player to a Dewsh filled franchise
I know I'm in the minority, but I like Soto.
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iBrad said:

I feel like Crane should let Dana spend $11.5M over whatever our limit would be. Basically, let him operate like the stupid Montero signing didn't happen.

That $17.5M to LMJ hurts, too. It's like the two seasons we paid JV a combined $66M to not pitch for us.
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When I hear the "Dana is all talk and no action" comments, this is what I keep coming back to.

He's got a real budget with a real boss who impacts who he can go after. His boss also hampered him last year by making deals Dana likely wouldn't have made.

I believe him when he says he's having conversations. I also just know in the back of my head the Astros can't overpay on money unless Crane is willing to give the green light.

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Beat40 said:

Mr.Bond said:

linkdude said:







Perfect fit. Dewsh player to a Dewsh filled franchise
I know I'm in the minority, but I like Soto.


Soto the offensive player is amazing. But personally, I'm not a fan.
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If they give up King & Drew Thorpe the Padres might be able to claim they won this trade.
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tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

I just don't get how the Dodgers have so much more money than we have. We've had more success and have spent less.
They have money committed to Betts & Freeman. Everyone else is cheap, in arbitration, or pre-arbitration. They're paying 3 guys more than 10 M. We are paying 9 guys more than 10 M (not counting Framber & Tucker who will be above that).

Dodgers have been getting things to make a run at Ohtani for 2 years.


I'm guessing our Abreu and Montero deals aren't helping much. Still frustrating how it seems like they are in play for literally every trade and free agent every year.
unfortunately, bad contracts have consequences...for the Astros too

if the 'stros only had 1 bad one...the impact might be minimal.

but it's 3 with Abreu, Montero, and Lance --- about $48 MM on the books
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Beat40 said:

Mr.Bond said:

linkdude said:







Perfect fit. Dewsh player to a Dewsh filled franchise
I know I'm in the minority, but I like Soto.



His **** in the batters box annoys me beyond belief
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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I'm assuming a trade for a player like this would need to involve ML players but would this ease the pain of losing Bregman? Just throwing a name out there, worth about 9 WAR in '21-22.
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Soto is about to be on his third team by age 25

shades of Gary Sheffield

great player, but a lot of tags on his luggage (as Milo liked to say)
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Farmer1906 said:

Beat40 said:

Mr.Bond said:

linkdude said:







Perfect fit. Dewsh player to a Dewsh filled franchise
I know I'm in the minority, but I like Soto.


Soto the offensive player is amazing. But personally, I'm not a fan.
When he's been mic'd up, he's never seemed like a bad or unlikeable dude. Sure, he's had the cocky antics in the box, but if that's the worst, then alright.

Unless I've missed something more.
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He was not great last year and he's already 30 with 7 years left. I would think the Padres would basically give him away to get it off the books.
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The Soto hate is leftover from him beating us in the 2019 WS.

He's a helluva player that I'd love to have on this team.
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They just want to out slug everyone.

… nevermind



linkdude
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Did not realize he was that old, wow.
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Off the scrap heap
Farmer1906
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Love it.

You can see he throws really hard and gets soft contact. He just forgot how to throw a strike last year. Hes the kind of low risk project you want.


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How do you think we can fix him now that Maldy is gone?
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On a hope and a prayer.

Look at his career stuff+

Sexy AF.
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I've been told they've met with Hicks and gotten as far as discussing numbers.
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Full deal
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I've been told they've met with Hicks and gotten as far as discussing numbers.


I'd like to have Hicks. Im not sure it'll be worth it for the contract he'll command.
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They're also still involved in the Yariel Rodriguez sweepstakes.
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