***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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9:28a, 10/27/23
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If '22 Postseason Framber had shown up this year Astros would've coasted to the WS. It's a good bet that he can get back to that form. But it'll take some work, not just on physical rest and recovery, but also mentally.

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In reply to AgLA06 • 9:34a, 10/27/23
AgLA06 said:
Bonnettecj1 said:
Ken Caminiti
I'm not sure if I have bad news for you or if that just a really untasteful response.


I think he's saying he'd rather have a corpse than ausmus
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9:35a, 10/27/23
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Today's Topic - Deals that Didn't Get Made

George Springer
I don't think there was ever any real effort to keep George. He was going to go where the most money was and the Astros had ideas on keeping Verlander, Correa, Altuve, McCullers, & extending some young guys (ended up being Javier and Alvarez. )

Contract: 6 year / 150 M

WAR: 2.5, 4.3, 2.2 = 9.0
wRC+: 140, 133, 104 = 122
Games Played: 78, 133, 154 = 365

8.33 M per 1 WAR
205K per game

Conclusion: After an injury in 2021, George has been relatively healthy. However, his age 33 season saw a sharp decline in his offense (power). With 3 more years at age 34, 35, & 36 I have a very hard time seeing this contract being viewed as a good signing, especially with the relative lack of team success & the lessening likelihood of George ever playing at or near prime levels.

Starling Marte
After losing the 2021 World Series, Crane wanted a splash signing. Click couldn't/wouldn't pull the trigger. I don't think we ever got details on what our offer was, but if memory serves we weren't interested in a 4th year.

Contract: 4 years / 78 M

WAR: 2.9, -0.3 = 2.6
wRC+: 134, 76 = 111
Games Played: 118, 86 = 204

15.0 M per 1 WAR
191K per game

Conclusion: Marte fell off a cliff in 2023, just like the Mets did as a team. His stats across the board have tanked with the exception of arm strength. In 2022 we wanted a CF yet Marte can no longer field the position. We dodged a bullet avoiding this signing.

Carlos Correa
What a strange road Corra has had since leaving Houston. Crane tried to extend him with a public offer of 5/160 M. Some believe privately much more was discussed. He still left with more money even after the SF & NY debacles.

Contract: 3 Years / 105 M (opted out after 1), 6 Uears / 200 M (4 vesting years after)

WAR: 4.4, 1.1 = 5.5
wRC+: 140, 96 = 118
Games Played: 136, 135 = 271

12.4 M per 1 WAR
252 K per game

Conclusion: Similar to Springer and Marte, this past season saw a decline. He's entering his age 29 season so it's more realistic that he has a few more years at prime-level play. However, the health concerns of his past and the failed physicals make this contract a little scary.



These are the 3 that came to mind. I am sure there are more. If anyone is interested, throw some more out there are I will take a look. The common theme is that the Astros have avoided some terrible contracts in the past. The 2022/23 offseason looks to have bucked the trend.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:36a, 10/27/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams


Jeff Leonard
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:39a, 10/27/23
The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams
Berkman
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:43a, 10/27/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams

Morgan Ensburg
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:44a, 10/27/23
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Contreras
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9:45a, 10/27/23
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So Chandler ran Dusty out of town?

Thank you for your service, choadler
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9:45a, 10/27/23
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Does Scott Servais count?
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In reply to BadAggie • 9:45a, 10/27/23
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That's baseball, though.....

If it was 2022 playoff Pena we probably coast through as well....or if it was just a fraction of the production as 2023 regular season Tucker....

Why I always find the who do you want to face/are scared to face posts funny. A month ago the Braves were as unstoppable of a team we've ever seen, might as well give them the trophy. A week ago the Phillies were a team of destiny and the ALCS was just a battle to see who gets second place....
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:49a, 10/27/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Does Scott Servais count?

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9:50a, 10/27/23
Cameron Maybin
Almost put Aaron Boone, but then it would have been a lie.
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9:52a, 10/27/23
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I was about to say " Sounds like we all owe Chandler a great big 'Thank you!'"
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:53a, 10/27/23
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Craig Biggio
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 9:53a, 10/27/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams

Carl Everett.
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In reply to Hub `93 • 9:54a, 10/27/23
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Big Cat `93 said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams


Jeff Leonard


Jeff "call me Jeffrey" Leonard
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:57a, 10/27/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Does Scott Servais count?


He comes across as that guy who might be a ******bag and an a-hole but he's our ******bag and a-hole
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10:00a, 10/27/23
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I hope this translates to the big leagues or I'll have Blubaughs
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:00a, 10/27/23
How about some of the potential Yuli Gurriel replacements? Josh Bell, Anthony Rizzo, or Ji Man Choi.
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10:01a, 10/27/23
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Brad Lidge
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10:02a, 10/27/23
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With all the talk about the mental makeup of some on this team (Framber and others) maybe we should make an all time crazy Astros team.

At the top of the list have to be:

Derek "Operation Shutdown" Bell
Carl "the dinosaur killer" Everett

Add in Jeffery "don't call me Jeff" Leonard and that's your starting OF.
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10:02a, 10/27/23
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I probably wouldn't mind Beltran as a manager
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:03a, 10/27/23
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I probably wouldn't mind Beltran as a manager
no thanks. he brought the black cloud above us
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:03a, 10/27/23
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Ag_07 said:
I probably wouldn't mind Beltran as a manager


Not a chance after he was the mastermind of the trashcan.
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10:06a, 10/27/23
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IDGAF

Yall don't think Espada wasn't involved?

Besides everyone hates still always. Embrace the hate. Be the heel everyone wants us to be.

If Beltran were deemed to the best candidate I'd have no problem with it. I'd surely take him over Ausmus
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 10:08a, 10/27/23
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CFTXAG10 said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams
Geoffrey Edward Blum


Blummer is going to be a successful head coach someday if he goes that route. He's an expressed an interest in pursuing that path.

I'm not advocating for him here. I want Espada. Just saying I think Blum has great potential as a head coach on some level. Likely college.
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10:10a, 10/27/23
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Yeah Blum seems too laid back and content with watching from the booth. I get the sense he enjoys being a fan nowadays.

I could see him eventually being a college coach though. He'd be a helluva a recruiter.
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10:17a, 10/27/23
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:21a, 10/27/23
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Ag_07 said:
Yeah Blum seems too laid back and content with watching from the booth. I get the sense he enjoys being a fan nowadays.

I could see him eventually being a college coach though. He'd be a helluva a recruiter.
I don't know what he makes. But if it's decent, no way in hell I give up that potential job for life to enter the coaching grind where everyone eventually fails.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 10:21a, 10/27/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Craig Biggio
^ this.
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10:22a, 10/27/23
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In reply to 512Ag • 10:24a, 10/27/23
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512Ag said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Let's start a "ex-Astros I'd rather have manage the team besides Brad Ausmus" list.


I'll start: Mitch Williams

Carl Everett.
First order of business: Elimination of all dinosaur graphics and drawings from Astro buddies paraphenalia.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 10:25a, 10/27/23
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texasaggie2015 said:


I hope this translates to the big leagues or I'll have Blubaughs
If that guy married Scott Coolbaugh, he would be Mr. Blubaugh-Coolbaugh.
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In reply to BadAggie • 10:25a, 10/27/23
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BadAggie said:
Contreras

Willson Contreras
To refresh everyone, James Click has agreed to trade Jose Urqidy for Willson Contreras. Dusty went to Crane and got it vetoed. Later, we ended up going and getting Christian Vazquez, another rental for a lower cost.

Firstly, let's compare the #s.

Contreras: 124 wRC+ (2nd Half), +1 Fielding Run Value (full season - can get a partial here)
Vazquez: 67 wRC+, +1 FRV
Maldonado: 85 wRC+, +2 FRV

Fielding Run Value covers blocking, throwing, and framing for catchers.

Contreras in a landslide. All 3 graded out pretty evenly defensively. I think most believe Contreras to be a step below the others, especially when it comes to handling pitchers. There were rumors that Contreras was calling pitches that his pitcher didn't even throw this season with the Cardinals. Oof!

Since this was a trade offer, this is what we would have given up.

3.5 seasons of Jose Urquidy
2022: 1.0 WAR (assume about 0.4 for the 2nd half), 3.75 ERA
2023: 0.2 WAR, 5.26 ERA
2024+2025: TBD

I love Jose but he's kind of just another guy.

Conclusion: This one is the hardest to peg. Clearly, Contreras would have helped the offense. But as we saw with Vazquez, his time behind the plate would have been minimal with Dusty running the show. That may have been a good thing if Contreras didn't put the time in the learn the pitchers. However, Contreras could have helped fill the DH role with Yordan in LF. The production from Diaz & Mancini was pretty weak in the 2nd half and postseason. 3.5 years of any big leaguer is worth something. Even if Urquidy is just a 5th starter/swing starter he's probably worth more than 0.5 years of a good, not great DH. In the end, we won the WS. Results trump all in this case. I am glad this deal didn't get made, but if we didn't win it all, I think my feelings would be different.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 10:26a, 10/27/23
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Ag_07 said:
IDGAF

Yall don't think Espada wasn't involved?

Besides everyone hates still always. Embrace the hate. Be the heel everyone wants us to be.

If Beltran were deemed to the best candidate I'd have no problem with it. I'd surely take him over Ausmus

This part is factual. A lot of people who hate the Astros now are just jealous/tired of the success. That will never go away and it's not really worth any concern.
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