***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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But that's not Maldy's job. Deciding who plays when is not any players job.

Maldy's job is to play when he's told to play and anything to the contrary is letting his team down. That goes for every player.

You don't think pitchers want to come out of games when they're getting shelled or stay in games when they think they still have it?

I can't believe we're having this conversation.
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So people are really mad that Maldy didn't ask to be benched? Really?
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WES2006AG said:

So people are really mad that Maldy didn't ask to be benched? Really?
Yeah I just logged on and I'm logging right back off lol
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WES2006AG said:

So people are really mad that Maldy didn't ask to be benched? Really?
I'd like to know their thoughts when George Kirby said he shouldn't have gone out for the 7th.

Doubt it was in line with their thoughts on Maldy
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scd88 said:

No matter what, we remember Dusty for two primary reasons:

1. Last years WS.
2. Defending us when MLB, their fans, the players, the media, etc. all....ALL...turned on the Astros. Turns out there was more to the story that, surprise ****ing surprise, didn't warrant that hate. But through it, Dusty got his players backs.

For these things, I thank you, Dusty Baker.
3. 4-consecutive ALCS appearances should not be forgotten either.
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Who will Astros pick to replace Dusty Baker? Evaluating the managerial candidates - The Athletic

I haven't heard Ausmus on my end and I would be quite surprised if that's the direction they go. For those who don't subscribe, here's the names mentioned by Chandler. I'll bold the names that have been mentioned to me:

Brad Ausmus
Craig Counsell (he likely ends up in New York)
Joe Espada
Mark Kotsay
Rodney Linares
Omar Lopez (interesting, haven't heard this as a possibility)
Joe Maddon (fwiw- I've been told they want a younger guy so I would rule him out)
Don Mattingly
Buck Showalter
Will Venable
Walt Weiss
Eric Young

Seems to me this is Chandler taking an educated guess which is fine. I think Maddon, Mattingly and Showalter made that list by default. Same with Ausmus. People saw Bagwell's name mentioned in the search and just assumed he would be in play.

A few other names I've had mentioned to me over the last couple days are Mark DeRosa, Alex Cintron and Ramon Vazquez.

If I had to guess, I would still guess Espada.
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The Porkchop Express said:



It's a little spooky how close this story is to Mitch Meluskey's. Drafted by the Indians, traded to the Astros, had an incredible rookie year in 2000 (117 games played, 14 HR, 69 RBi, .300 average, .888 OPS) but also a hot-head who is more famously known for punching Matt Mieske in the face during batting practice. Not that Diaz has done anything of the sort, but he's got a built-in reputation in the clubhouse for a not-positive thing.

The second part - even if you think Machete's the worst player ever, he definitely doesn't think that, and in my experience when an athlete stops thinking they are the best, that's when they retire. I think about Hunter Brown's little charming comments about being a young JV at the end of last year. The real JV played nice and complimented him to the media, but you know damn well in his head, JV was thinking "You think you're anywhere in my stratosphere, you little *****? I'll show you what a GD ace looks like."



Your beginning part seems eerily similar to "just wait you'll thank me later" and even if what he did this year was on par with previous years that's true for every minor leaguer, they play less games. So to say that now he's in the majors there should have at least been an increase isn't a stretch. Add to that, that having the season he was he should have been pressed to do more until he reached a point it was obvious he was being maxed out.


I do recognize Melusky's name and remember him as an Astro never once have heard about the punch to the face and I doubt most have…hard to say he's better remembered for it.

Absolutely no idea what you're referring to as Diaz's not so positive thing unless your just talking about how he was viewed as someone who didn't like to catch and work at it.


I don't believe the last part I left here is accurate. No one thinks Brown was as good just that they're similar, and pitchers do support one another. Espdd we vitally starters, they aren't competing for playing time the same way because only one starts per day and someone has to start the next game. That's why they tend to form a bond and you hear about so many watching each other warm up etc.
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Ag_07 said:

But that's not Maldy's job. Deciding who plays when is not any players job.

Maldy's job is to play when he's told to play and anything to the contrary is letting his team down. That goes for every player.

You don't think pitchers want to come out of games when they're getting shelled or stay in games when they think they still have it?

I can't believe we're having this conversation.
I mean that one dude in Seattle does…
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Prosperdick said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I don't recall it being that big of a story. Just that we had expressed interest and Maldy had said he wanted to be the starter.

I don't think we were ever seriously considering signing a backup with Diaz and Lee. Just like I don't think we will sign one this year.


I don't think anyone seriously expected Maldy to make the vast majority of starts and every single start in the playoffs, but there we were.

Clearly Maldy could have spoken up for the team (as their fabled leader) by asserting himself less with discussions to the FO and Dusty, knowing just how good Diaz turned out to be.

Didn't happen.
My fear with Diaz is he FINALLY changed his attitude, took catching seriously, and started raking. Dusty rewards him by basically not playing him the last 3 weeks of the season and then hardly at all in the playoffs with ZERO starts at catcher.

I sure hope he doesn't regress based on how he was jerked around at the end of the season and post season. I guess that's another thing we need to thank Dusty for later.
This is like saying my kid screwed around for the first 3 years of his high school career and then suddenly got serious as senior but the coach won't let him play in the playoffs. What a jerk the coach is!

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texasaggie2015 said:

WES2006AG said:

So people are really mad that Maldy didn't ask to be benched? Really?
Yeah I just logged on and I'm logging right back off lol
and then logged back in to comment. True dedication! But yea I don't get it

And can we all agree on a debrief period and then finally drop the dusty and Maldy discussion…they're no longer a part of the organization.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:




Absolutely no idea what you're referring to as Diaz's not so positive thing unless your just talking about how he was viewed as someone who didn't like to catch and work at it.


A professional athlete paid hundreds of thousands to play a game who doesn't like to work is a HUGE PROBLEM. Think of how much money has been invested by 2 MLB franchises on this guy and he can't work hard? **** that.
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My thought regarding Brad Ausmus: The guy managed the Angels (who might be the worst organization in baseball) and a really bad Tigers team. Is he a bad manager? Or has he just been dealt really bad hands?

I genuinely don't know and I would obviously prefer several of the other names over him. But I think those are legitimate questions.
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texasaggie2015 said:

My thought regarding Brad Ausmus: The guy managed the Angels (who might be the worst organization in baseball) and a really bad Tigers team. Is he a bad manager? Or has he just been dealt really bad hands?

I genuinely don't know and I would obviously prefer several of the other names over him. But I think those are legitimate questions.


He's a bad manager. Very bad.
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Are you jealous because he's handsome?
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The Porkchop Express said:

Prosperdick said:

AggiEE said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I don't recall it being that big of a story. Just that we had expressed interest and Maldy had said he wanted to be the starter.

I don't think we were ever seriously considering signing a backup with Diaz and Lee. Just like I don't think we will sign one this year.


I don't think anyone seriously expected Maldy to make the vast majority of starts and every single start in the playoffs, but there we were.

Clearly Maldy could have spoken up for the team (as their fabled leader) by asserting himself less with discussions to the FO and Dusty, knowing just how good Diaz turned out to be.

Didn't happen.
My fear with Diaz is he FINALLY changed his attitude, took catching seriously, and started raking. Dusty rewards him by basically not playing him the last 3 weeks of the season and then hardly at all in the playoffs with ZERO starts at catcher.

I sure hope he doesn't regress based on how he was jerked around at the end of the season and post season. I guess that's another thing we need to thank Dusty for later.
This is like saying my kid screwed around for the first 3 years of his high school career and then suddenly got serious as senior but the coach won't let him play in the playoffs. What a jerk the coach is!


id say it more like a kid screwed around in middle school in a different town and now he's at my high school and a sophomore and can run faster, hit harder, throw further but I have a fat senior who is a team leader so I'm going to sit the kid to learn from watching and let the lesser athlete play because I heard bad stories about the young kid.

See how dumb that sounds, and I don't know a single high school coach who would make that call.
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Yesterday, I decided my early off-season project would be seeing how quickly this thread accumulates pages and posts compared to the Rangers' season thread by checking in once about every 24 hours to see how their total posts are stacking up. And yes, there is a spreadsheet.

In the last 24 hours:
Astros off-season thread: 211 posts
Rangers' season thread (this is a team going to the World Series): 90 posts

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texasaggie2015 said:

Are you jealous because he's handsome?


I love handsome people. Did you forget how much imposter about Pena's traps after Correa left?
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The Porkchop Express said:

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Absolutely no idea what you're referring to as Diaz's not so positive thing unless your just talking about how he was viewed as someone who didn't like to catch and work at it.


A professional athlete paid hundreds of thousands to play a game who doesn't like to work is a HUGE PROBLEM. Think of how much money has been invested by 2 MLB franchises on this guy and he can't work hard? **** that.

Got it, you aren't a fan of Diaz.

He hasn't shown that in Houston and therefore our organization shouldn't be holding it against him. Sounds like Dana isn't but you and Dusty seem to want to hold onto the past which was also under a different organization.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Prosperdick said:

AggiEE said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I don't recall it being that big of a story. Just that we had expressed interest and Maldy had said he wanted to be the starter.

I don't think we were ever seriously considering signing a backup with Diaz and Lee. Just like I don't think we will sign one this year.


I don't think anyone seriously expected Maldy to make the vast majority of starts and every single start in the playoffs, but there we were.

Clearly Maldy could have spoken up for the team (as their fabled leader) by asserting himself less with discussions to the FO and Dusty, knowing just how good Diaz turned out to be.

Didn't happen.
My fear with Diaz is he FINALLY changed his attitude, took catching seriously, and started raking. Dusty rewards him by basically not playing him the last 3 weeks of the season and then hardly at all in the playoffs with ZERO starts at catcher.

I sure hope he doesn't regress based on how he was jerked around at the end of the season and post season. I guess that's another thing we need to thank Dusty for later.
This is like saying my kid screwed around for the first 3 years of his high school career and then suddenly got serious as senior but the coach won't let him play in the playoffs. What a jerk the coach is!


id say it more like a kid screwed around in middle school in a different town and now he's at my high school and a sophomore and can run faster, hit harder, throw further but I have a fat senior who is a team leader so I'm going to sit the kid to learn from watching and let the lesser athlete play because I heard bad stories about the young kid.

See how dumb that sounds, and I don't know a single high school coach who would make that call.
Diaz has been in the Astros organization since July 30, 2021. They have had ample time to make their own judgement call on what kind of character and work ethic he has.
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And in covering HS sports for 13 years, I saw that exact scenario play out REPEATEDLY where guys with a bad attitude got their asses put on the bench no matter how great they were in every sport under the sun.
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Farmer1906 said:

texasaggie2015 said:

Are you jealous because he's handsome?


I love handsome people. Did you forget how much imposter about Pena's traps after Correa left?

Can we at least wait til spring training to start fantasizing about Peña's traps and triceps? If I start thinking about that now, I'll be ready to predict 40 dingers and 7+ WAR by March.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

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Absolutely no idea what you're referring to as Diaz's not so positive thing unless your just talking about how he was viewed as someone who didn't like to catch and work at it.


A professional athlete paid hundreds of thousands to play a game who doesn't like to work is a HUGE PROBLEM. Think of how much money has been invested by 2 MLB franchises on this guy and he can't work hard? **** that.

Got it, you aren't a fan of Diaz.

He hasn't shown that in Houston and therefore our organization shouldn't be holding it against him. Sounds like Dana isn't but you and Dusty seem to want to hold onto the past which was also under a different organization.
I never said anything like that. I want every guy on the team to succeed, because that means more wins and me enjoying the season. But yeah, in a business like baseball, I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy who didn't want to work. It's fantastic that he's turned it around, but unfortunately, you're going to get judged by your past until you've proven to everyone that it's not who you are anymore. I hope Diaz turns into a 12-time All-Star who can point back to his early days and say yeah, I cost myself early opportunities by not always being the best. Kindly don't put words in my mouth.
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Ag_07 said:

But that's not Maldy's job. Deciding who plays when is not any players job.

Maldy's job is to play when he's told to play and anything to the contrary is letting his team down. That goes for every player.

You don't think pitchers want to come out of games when they're getting shelled or stay in games when they think they still have it?

I can't believe we're having this conversation.

No **** it's not the player's job but a veteran leader could have a discussion with his manager about it.

Doesn't matter now obviously so we can move on to more pressing issues, like Peña's physique.
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So, what were the issues with Peña this year? We kept expecting him to break out at the plate but it never happened.
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The Porkchop Express said:

And in covering HS sports for 13 years, I saw that exact scenario play out REPEATEDLY where guys with a bad attitude got their asses put on the bench no matter how great they were in every sport under the sun.

And I coached it for 10. What you're talking about would be active issues causing kids to be benched, I was a hard azz and completely agree there. Special treatment of stars is prt of why I wanted out. But Unless you have new information, what Diaz did in the past is of no relevance. A varsity coach isn't sitting a top player his first year on varsity because as a freshman he didn't like to lift weights.

But like I said, I get it, you don't like Diaz. But like it or not he's what you've got now and he's playing. Hopefully he has the same attitude this year because it worked for him and Dana believed in him.

Now I'm imposing my own ban on discussing Maldy/Diaz and for sure discussing Dusty because as I said they aren't in the organization anymore.

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I was talking to a buddy who said he heard coaches wanted to change his swing preseason/spring training and he refused.

Slump ensues and mid year he came asking to tweak and was told basically it was so much to do mid season.

No clue on a source there or any truth…ketch..? Did you hear anything about tweaking Pena's swing
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scd88 said:

So, what were the issues with Peña this year? We kept expecting him to break out at the plate but it never happened.


Went with the Gabe Kapler method and got too swole too quick. Putting on a bunch of muscle in your arms, shoulders, and back affects your swing. Hard to have muscle memory when you drastically change your muscles. It will take him a couple years to adjust to the new physique.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Let me start with the caveat that Diaz absolutely should have played more. If not at catcher, then certainly at DH before Brantley returned or at 1B when Abreu was scuffling so badly in the first several months of the season.

That said, there are two really frustrating parts of this discussion.

1) That because Diaz hit 23 HR in 104 games, people think he's an automatic lock to hit 35+ HR in 135+ games.

2) That any professional athlete plays with the mindset of "Hey, that guy's better than me now, let me tell the coach I shouldn't play anymore."

The first part is the plague of a numbers-driven sport. Your stats are never going to wind up what the projections are because players aren't machines. Looking over Diaz's numbers in the minors reveals that he's never played more than 105 games total in any season at any level. He played 105 combined at Corpus, Sugarland, and Houston last year, and 104 games this year in Houston. Every other year in the minors, far less than that. Why is that? I can think of two reasons: Injuries or being a dick. And even more telling, before this year, you know what his max # of games caught in a single season was?

53

Yep. Not quite one-third of a major league season is the most he's caught. And coming into 2023, it was pretty much common knowledge that he was a guy who didn't want to put in hard work. If there's one position you can't afford to have an arrogant jerk on your team, it's catcher.

It's a little spooky how close this story is to Mitch Meluskey's. Drafted by the Indians, traded to the Astros, had an incredible rookie year in 2000 (117 games played, 14 HR, 69 RBi, .300 average, .888 OPS) but also a hot-head who is more famously known for punching Matt Mieske in the face during batting practice. Not that Diaz has done anything of the sort, but he's got a built-in reputation in the clubhouse for a not-positive thing.

So while Dusty is a hard-ass who wouldn't bend, let's call a spade and spade and admit that Diaz's past usage and attitude are the main culprits in him not getting more time.

The second part - even if you think Machete's the worst player ever, he definitely doesn't think that, and in my experience when an athlete stops thinking they are the best, that's when they retire. I think about Hunter Brown's little charming comments about being a young JV at the end of last year. The real JV played nice and complimented him to the media, but you know damn well in his head, JV was thinking "You think you're anywhere in my stratosphere, you little *****? I'll show you what a GD ace looks like."

Athletes, above all else, compete. You can be a good teammate without rolling over while the next guy up takes your job. Blaming Maldy for not coaching Diaz up to starting MLB catcher in the last calendar year is ridiculous. Diaz should be handling his own business and seeking to improve every day, not waiting for the guy who he competes for playing time with to ask him to come have a catch after practice so he can impart all the secrets of the pitcher-catcher relationship on him.












I'm not a writer like you are, so I'll keep it simple and use fewer words. In my opinion, the promise of what Diaz might be far outweighed the reality of what Maldonado was.

We heard no bad reports of Diaz this year. Seems he was all in.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:




But like I said, I get it, you don't like Diaz.
I literally said in my last post that I want him to do well. I have no reason not to like the guy.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Prosperdick said:

AggiEE said:

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I don't recall it being that big of a story. Just that we had expressed interest and Maldy had said he wanted to be the starter.

I don't think we were ever seriously considering signing a backup with Diaz and Lee. Just like I don't think we will sign one this year.


I don't think anyone seriously expected Maldy to make the vast majority of starts and every single start in the playoffs, but there we were.

Clearly Maldy could have spoken up for the team (as their fabled leader) by asserting himself less with discussions to the FO and Dusty, knowing just how good Diaz turned out to be.

Didn't happen.
My fear with Diaz is he FINALLY changed his attitude, took catching seriously, and started raking. Dusty rewards him by basically not playing him the last 3 weeks of the season and then hardly at all in the playoffs with ZERO starts at catcher.

I sure hope he doesn't regress based on how he was jerked around at the end of the season and post season. I guess that's another thing we need to thank Dusty for later.
This is like saying my kid screwed around for the first 3 years of his high school career and then suddenly got serious as senior but the coach won't let him play in the playoffs. What a jerk the coach is!


id say it more like a kid screwed around in middle school in a different town and now he's at my high school and a sophomore and can run faster, hit harder, throw further but I have a fat senior who is a team leader so I'm going to sit the kid to learn from watching and let the lesser athlete play because I heard bad stories about the young kid.

See how dumb that sounds, and I don't know a single high school coach who would make that call.


Agreed, that was a bad analogy.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

I was talking to a buddy who said he heard coaches wanted to change his swing preseason/spring training and he refused.

Slump ensues and mid year he came asking to tweak and was told basically it was so much to do mid season.

No clue on a source there or any truth…ketch..? Did you hear anything about tweaking Pena's swing
He also had a personal issue he was dealing with for most of the season so I'm sure that had an impact as well.

I know he's gone back and forth on his leg kick at the plate and went with a toe tap towards the end of last season and he was really doing well.

He has trouble recognizing slider spin so I'm guessing the toe tap was too simplify his mechanics to allow him to focus on pitch recognition but that didn't translate to this season.

Hopefully they can straighten him out and his personal issues are well behind him and we can have a serviceable hitter and as many have pointed out, what he gave us offensively this year would be more than enough in the 9 hole, which is where he should slot into unless he starts hitting like 2022 playoff Pena.
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Farmer1906 said:


Sounds like Dusty's about to learn what X and Facebook are!
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Dusty named Special Community EVP of Baseball Togetherness, base salary $1.5mm, responsibilities include staying away from the lineup card…
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I wouldn't hate that
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