From a PR perspective, keeping Dusty around in a different role would be a smart move.
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There is a reason I hate the hot stove league. From manager searches to players being traded and signed as FA.
It's just names on a dartboard and the person throwing darts is doing it blindfolded, with the wrong hand and with a dart missing a fin.
It's just names on a dartboard and the person throwing darts is doing it blindfolded, with the wrong hand and with a dart missing a fin.
So I guess he really wasn't the "coach on the field" that supposedly made it worth playing the worst defensive / offensive starting catcher in the league.WES2006AG said:
So people are really mad that Maldy didn't ask to be benched? Really?
If the coach didn't play the better performing senior who had stepped up all year, it's not about being a jerk. Just not being intelligent. Otherwise there's no reason to keep them on the team.The Porkchop Express said:This is like saying my kid screwed around for the first 3 years of his high school career and then suddenly got serious as senior but the coach won't let him play in the playoffs. What a jerk the coach is!Prosperdick said:My fear with Diaz is he FINALLY changed his attitude, took catching seriously, and started raking. Dusty rewards him by basically not playing him the last 3 weeks of the season and then hardly at all in the playoffs with ZERO starts at catcher.AggiEE said:Lonestar_Ag09 said:
I don't recall it being that big of a story. Just that we had expressed interest and Maldy had said he wanted to be the starter.
I don't think we were ever seriously considering signing a backup with Diaz and Lee. Just like I don't think we will sign one this year.
I don't think anyone seriously expected Maldy to make the vast majority of starts and every single start in the playoffs, but there we were.
Clearly Maldy could have spoken up for the team (as their fabled leader) by asserting himself less with discussions to the FO and Dusty, knowing just how good Diaz turned out to be.
Didn't happen.
I sure hope he doesn't regress based on how he was jerked around at the end of the season and post season. I guess that's another thing we need to thank Dusty for later.
not sure why anyone thinks Dusty will have anything to do with the Astros going forward? If he wants to stay in baseball it wont be with this team. It will be with a California team. As of 11a.m. today he is done having anything involved to do with this team.
I think Crane a little sensitive about perception of Dusty's exit after Click drama last off-season
100% agree. Give some BS job where he talks to kids 50 times a year. He's no longer a good manager, but if he wants to contribute to the franchise and the city, you don't cut him off from the organization.esd19 said:
From a PR perspective, keeping Dusty around in a different role would be a smart move.
I don't see it like that at all. Evaluating, signing, and trading for players is far from dumb luck. There is a reason why teams like the Dodgers are always in first and teams like the Angels are not.Mathguy64 said:
There is a reason I hate the hot stove league. From manager searches to players being traded and signed as FA.
It's just names on a dartboard and the person throwing darts is doing it blindfolded, with the wrong hand and with a dart missing a fin.
The way I see players is by percentages. There is always going to be a wide range of outcomes, its more so about the odds of hitting along with the cost of those better odds.
- Player A is going to cost 20 M over 3 years. He has a 10% chance of producing at an All-Star Level, 50% at being above avg, 30% avg, & 10% below avg. The odds get worse each season.
- Player B is going to cost 12 M over 1 year. He has a 5% chance of AS, 25% above Avg, 60% avg, & 10% below avg.
Maybe I go with the value bin guy with the less likelihood of reaching his ceiling because there is less investment needed yet still some chance.
Its not even as cut and dry as I laid it out. Sometimes teams identify roles where the players may not be great across the board, but they do X and Y great so we can put them in X & Y situations and all of a sudden you get 40% of a season at an AS level. (see platoons)
While nothing will top actual winning, I enjoy the hell out of the offseason. I just wish it was condensed into about a month. It moves entirely too slow.
I can see that. I just hope he's not another special advisor like Bagwell or Reggie. I don't think his opinion should be shaping any serious decision with the team moving forward. Jose Cruz is a Community Outreach Executive. Maybe that would be a good fit.The Porkchop Express said:100% agree. Give some BS job where he talks to kids 50 times a year. He's no longer a good manager, but if he wants to contribute to the franchise and the city, you don't cut him off from the organization.esd19 said:
From a PR perspective, keeping Dusty around in a different role would be a smart move.
That would be my concern of him staying on as advisor. We don't need ANOTHER anti-analytics guy in Crane's ear.
Dusty's ability to do whatever he wanted for the last few years would give me concerns about him staying around in any capacity. He does things that actively harm the team because he cant be convinced he's wrong.
I highly doubt Dusty wants to retire in Houston
That's more minor compared to the fact the front office and him just aren't aligned. No matter how nice a guy or how much experience he has, it just isn't worth the risk of dividing the program.Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:
Dusty's ability to do whatever he wanted for the last few years would give me concerns about him staying around in any capacity. He does things that actively harm the team because he cant be convinced he's wrong.
AustinCountyAg said:
not sure why anyone thinks Dusty will have anything to do with the Astros going forward? If he wants to stay in baseball it wont be with this team. It will be with a California team. As of 11a.m. today he is done having anything involved to do with this team.
Interesting take
IIRC he has family ties to Houston
I wouldn't at all mind if he was retained in an ambassador role or working with the Astros Youth Baseball Foundation or something of that sort.
Some role he can use his people skills would be great for him and the organization.
It's not the teams randomly throwing darts. It's all the pundits, Twitter people and mostly everyone else.
It's worse than the playoffs in terms of educated people making educated statements.
Look at all the junk already posted about Dusty and the possible new manager. Look at all the insane names being mentioned by the "media".
I'll go back to hiding in the corner and ranting at clouds now.
It's worse than the playoffs in terms of educated people making educated statements.
Look at all the junk already posted about Dusty and the possible new manager. Look at all the insane names being mentioned by the "media".
I'll go back to hiding in the corner and ranting at clouds now.
When do you sleep?
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
Now this is quality offseason content.
He doesn't. Why do you think he's such an expert on old guys?
We are going live with Manager Dusty Baker, General Manager Dana Brown and Owner and Chairman Jim Crane. https://t.co/yZzgOvV0Va
— Houston Astros (@astros) October 26, 2023
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
Can't watch presser. If anything comes out of it let us know. Stupid work. Lol
Dusty officially retired. He's not sure what he will do next.
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
Farmer1906 said:
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
Imagine him reading this thread.
He didn't say what kind of articles. Maybe articles of clothing. Maybe his pants don't fit anymore and it's time to retire and stop eating so much banana pudding.Farmer1906 said:
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
I really enjoy hearing Dusty ramble on. He's really is that cool guy everyone describes him as.
I wish someone would ask a follow up on that.Farmer1906 said:
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
Is he referring to the Chas/front-office rift article?
He just said he felt a little disrespected by the Houston media.Deluxe said:I wish someone would ask a follow up on that.Farmer1906 said:
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
Is he referring to the Chas/front-office rift article?
I feel like we have the most tame media around.
Farmer1906 said:He just said he felt a little disrespected by the Houston media.Deluxe said:I wish someone would ask a follow up on that.Farmer1906 said:
Dusty said some articles helped him make his decision.
Is he referring to the Chas/front-office rift article?
I feel like we have the most tame media around.
Yeah, it's not a tough gig dealing with Houston media.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
He's got a giant ego, no matter how personable he is. If he took very milquetoast occasional questioning of his obviously wrong decisions as disrespect, that's a him problem and it's good that he's walking away.
Crane said he and Dana will do the work to do the manager search.
Doesn't anticipate it taking long to find someone.
Doesn't anticipate it taking long to find someone.
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
I love dusty, but come on. The media kept its gloves on all year
SeanDaAg2005 said:
I love dusty, but come on. The media kept its gloves on all year
So did he
Sean Salisbury did enough pass blocking for Dusty for the entire Houston media
n_touch said:SeanDaAg2005 said:
I love dusty, but come on. The media kept its gloves on all year
So did he
Hey-O!!
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At least the national media AKA west and east coast can't twist this into something else now.
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