***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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Only fitting that the team that goes into the WS is the one team we destroyed last in the regular season.

What could have been.

Well, GO SNAKES! Rangers don't deserve a WS win with all the money they've paid for a single successful (and lucky) season. They still suck and have bad pitching. They need to suffer more and earn their success.
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absolutely

completely agree
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Corbin Carroll is low key just completely badass
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cone said:

the Phils choke >>>> Astros choke

Astros overachieved if you ask me

Totally agree. The Stros just never corrected fatal flaws we knew were there all year. Everything was set up for the Phillies this year after they beat the Braves. Going up 2-0 dominantly and then losing 4/5 with two at home is just terrible.

But that is why baseball is fun.
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I would put my roster priorities in this order (not counting contract extensions and coaching):

1. Two platoon outfielders (to be used in LF/CF/DH alongside Yordan and Chas). Platoon guys can be had for cheap and can be used highly effectively when not managed by Dusty Baker. Plus we need better bench depth than this year. Goodbye Meyers.

2. A steady 2/3 starter. We don't need to pay/trade for ace value. We have talent behind Verlander, but not reliability. We need what Montgomery provided: a quality, consistent arm that can be counted upon for innings and postseason.

3. Bullpen. I keep seeing the Hader stuff and must admit I am puzzled. Analytics prove that overspending on bullpen can be a waste. You need a deep bullpen, but individual bullpen arms tend to be volatile. You return Pressly and Abreu on the backend and despite rhetoric Montero is fine as a 6/7 guy. Out of Neris, Maton, and Stanek, you need resignings and replacements and we don't have much ready-made help within the system. We need to make a major investment in 1 reliever to pair with Pressly and Stanek, and we need to trade for another young arm (think Pressly and Maton trades).

4. We need a backup catcher. While Salazar seems to hold favor, I also know it is important to have someone ready at AAA as well when a catcher inevitably goes on the IL. I would prefer to acquire an inexpensive but good fit backup to Diaz.

5. Among these moves you need to acquire 1-2 vocal, veteran, playoff-experienced guys to help in the locker room. If you lose Maldonado, Neris, and Brantley, you will be down to Bregman in terms of strong locker room voices.

* This is why I am still inclined to favor Espada at manager. Part of our dynasty is culture and as you lose leading player voices from that run, you need coaching continuity voices to help keep it going.
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AggiEE said:

Only fitting that the team that goes into the WS is the one team we destroyed last in the regular season.

What could have been.

Well, GO SNAKES! Rangers don't deserve a WS win with all the money they've paid for a single successful (and lucky) season. They still suck and have bad pitching. They need to suffer more and earn their success.


Oh come on, paid for or home built does it really matter? They're there.
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good perspective
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cone said:

the Phils choke >>>> Astros choke

Astros overachieved if you ask me

I disagree. They are about equal levels of choke.

The Astros underachieved big time. Framber was lights out last year and was an All Star through half the season. And he ****s the bed MASSIVELY in two pivotal playoff games.

Javier was the invisaball guy from last year's playoffs and has a disastrous Game 7 start that ruined the entire momentum of the game by only collecting a single out.

And of course, the underachievement of our "player's manager" who prefers to play bad players over good ones.

We had a LOT of handicaps, but I would have much rather swapped managers with the Phillies in order to play closer to our true potential.....

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So many likeable players on the Snakes.
So many punchable @#$%#$ on the Rangers.
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RED AG 98 said:

So many likeable players on the Snakes.
So many punchable @#$%#$ on the Rangers.

I will always root for good guy Gurriels

I miss that guy. Let's get his brother.
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Frok said:

AggiEE said:

Only fitting that the team that goes into the WS is the one team we destroyed last in the regular season.

What could have been.

Well, GO SNAKES! Rangers don't deserve a WS win with all the money they've paid for a single successful (and lucky) season. They still suck and have bad pitching. They need to suffer more and earn their success.


Oh come on, paid for or home built does it really matter? They're there.

I prefer teams that are a little more home grown and don't waste big $$$ on players. You're telling me you want a league where the fattest checks rule the day? I like the fact that baseball manages to buck that trend more than other sports.
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stoneca said:

Worst World Series matchup ever?
Arlington does have some names so that might draw but overall I expect meh ratings at best.

As far as completeness, BoSox v Rockies in '07. I get the BoSox are a draw but that was such a yawner of a sweep. At least when the 'Stros got swept in '05 all the games were close.

Just based upon how the Snakes fought back twice in the NLCS, I expect an entertaining Series at least.
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Frok said:

AggiEE said:

Only fitting that the team that goes into the WS is the one team we destroyed last in the regular season.

What could have been.

Well, GO SNAKES! Rangers don't deserve a WS win with all the money they've paid for a single successful (and lucky) season. They still suck and have bad pitching. They need to suffer more and earn their success.


Oh come on, paid for or home built does it really matter? They're there.
Exactly. Spending a lot money does in anyways guarantees success, see both NY teams, sea San Diego.

I'm sure it won't matter one bit to Arlington fans if they close this thing out.
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Go snakes **** the rangers
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Late to the party but in.
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Zona's bullpen is scary good and can win the title for them.
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SpaceCityAg05 said:

I would put my roster priorities in this order (not counting contract extensions and coaching):

1. Two platoon outfielders (to be used in LF/CF/DH alongside Yordan and Chas). Platoon guys can be had for cheap and can be used highly effectively when not managed by Dusty Baker. Plus we need better bench depth than this year. Goodbye Meyers.

2. A steady 2/3 starter. We don't need to pay/trade for ace value. We have talent behind Verlander, but not reliability. We need what Montgomery provided: a quality, consistent arm that can be counted upon for innings and postseason.

3. Bullpen. I keep seeing the Hader stuff and must admit I am puzzled. Analytics prove that overspending on bullpen can be a waste. You need a deep bullpen, but individual bullpen arms tend to be volatile. You return Pressly and Abreu on the backend and despite rhetoric Montero is fine as a 6/7 guy. Out of Neris, Maton, and Stanek, you need resignings and replacements and we don't have much ready-made help within the system. We need to make a major investment in 1 reliever to pair with Pressly and Stanek, and we need to trade for another young arm (think Pressly and Maton trades).

4. We need a backup catcher. While Salazar seems to hold favor, I also know it is important to have someone ready at AAA as well when a catcher inevitably goes on the IL. I would prefer to acquire an inexpensive but good fit backup to Diaz.

5. Among these moves you need to acquire 1-2 vocal, veteran, playoff-experienced guys to help in the locker room. If you lose Maldonado, Neris, and Brantley, you will be down to Bregman in terms of strong locker room voices.

* This is why I am still inclined to favor Espada at manager. Part of our dynasty is culture and as you lose leading player voices from that run, you need coaching continuity voices to help keep it going.


Sorry to requote my long post, but in looking back at it, I think I should clarify that for the platoon OF, I would look to get a higher profile (paid) LH bat to pair with a cheaper RH bat that may be flawed but is a lefty killer. Again, I think we need to have a 4th OF that can start in platoon situationa but is also a legit bat off the bench to pair with Dubon, who can cover backup CF plus IF. You need C, Dubon, and upgrades at corner IF (LHB please) and OF (power RHB to pair with LH platoon starter).
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SpaceCityAg05 said:

SpaceCityAg05 said:

I would put my roster priorities in this order (not counting contract extensions and coaching):

1. Two platoon outfielders (to be used in LF/CF/DH alongside Yordan and Chas). Platoon guys can be had for cheap and can be used highly effectively when not managed by Dusty Baker. Plus we need better bench depth than this year. Goodbye Meyers.

2. A steady 2/3 starter. We don't need to pay/trade for ace value. We have talent behind Verlander, but not reliability. We need what Montgomery provided: a quality, consistent arm that can be counted upon for innings and postseason.

3. Bullpen. I keep seeing the Hader stuff and must admit I am puzzled. Analytics prove that overspending on bullpen can be a waste. You need a deep bullpen, but individual bullpen arms tend to be volatile. You return Pressly and Abreu on the backend and despite rhetoric Montero is fine as a 6/7 guy. Out of Neris, Maton, and Stanek, you need resignings and replacements and we don't have much ready-made help within the system. We need to make a major investment in 1 reliever to pair with Pressly and Stanek, and we need to trade for another young arm (think Pressly and Maton trades).

4. We need a backup catcher. While Salazar seems to hold favor, I also know it is important to have someone ready at AAA as well when a catcher inevitably goes on the IL. I would prefer to acquire an inexpensive but good fit backup to Diaz.

5. Among these moves you need to acquire 1-2 vocal, veteran, playoff-experienced guys to help in the locker room. If you lose Maldonado, Neris, and Brantley, you will be down to Bregman in terms of strong locker room voices.

* This is why I am still inclined to favor Espada at manager. Part of our dynasty is culture and as you lose leading player voices from that run, you need coaching continuity voices to help keep it going.


Sorry to requote my long post, but in looking back at it, I think I should clarify that for the platoon OF, I would look to get a higher profile (paid) LH bat to pair with a cheaper RH bat that may be flawed but is a lefty killer. Again, I think we need to have a 4th OF that can start in platoon situationa but is also a legit bat off the bench to pair with Dubon, who can cover backup CF plus IF. You need C, Dubon, and upgrades at corner IF (LHB please) and OF (power RHB to pair with LH platoon starter).


I agree with most of this.

And as long as Espada was hamstrung by Dusty, and actually led to the late game Diaz substitution for Game 5 while Dusty was out, that tells me he would have played Diaz a lot more.

I'm just not sure if there are any great managers on the market. And honestly, you don't really need a "great" manager, you just need somebody whose not a total idiot like Dusty who bases decisions purely on gut feel hopes and dreams for players he personally likes.

I can't see any halfway decent manager who would have handled our Game 7 the way Dusty did. It was as if it wasn't an elimination game.
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so I'll disagree insofar as

this Astros team wasn't even close to last year's final form

Yordan was arguably better and Altuve certainly was. But almost everything else was weaker when it counted.

Last year's team was an all timer.
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So the rangers get a team that won 84 games in the regular season. Thats gonna hurt when they lose the series.
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Just read in the paper that the Diamondbacks posted a .333 record in July. Unbelievable they are where they are today.
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I'm not a psychologist but there's something to be said about the "playing with house money" attitude, especially in baseball. The weight of expectations is immense, and if it wasn't for a rookie SS that was only expected to contribute defensively, we don't win the chip.

Wanting to please 40k fans in MMP maybe is a little more pressure than trying to silence 40k on the road. Forget the batters eye, do we have a team psychologist?
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cablinaggie said:

I'm not a psychologist but there's something to be said about the "playing with house money" attitude, especially in baseball. The weight of expectations is immense, and if it wasn't for a rookie SS that was only expected to contribute defensively, we don't win the chip.

Wanting to please 40k fans in MMP maybe is a little more pressure than trying to silence 40k on the road. Forget the batters eye, do we have a team psychologist?


I've been thinking about this and I think there's something to what you're saying. They have adopted the "Houston vs all y'all, the world is against us, embrace the hate" attitude and that is a powerful motivator (see Adolis Garcia).
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Platoon Options in Free Agency

Vs RHP - wRC+
Belt - 146
Kepler - 128 (assume his option gets picked up so unlikely)
Heyward - 123
Pederson - 115
Conforto - 109
Kiermaier - 106
Gallo - 105

Vs LHP - wRC+
Soler - 181
Grossman - 164
Grichuk - 158
Turner - 142
Canha - 126
Gurriel - 121

Not really a platoon since he can hit both sides
JD Martinez - 135 (143 vs LHP, 132 vs RHP)
Garver - 138 (170 vs LHP, 127 vs RHP)



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Blackbeard94 said:

Just read in the paper that the Diamondbacks posted a .333 record in July. Unbelievable they are where they are today.


They started August with 9 straight losses and dropped below .500

Baseball playoffs have definitely jumped the shark into random lotto ball now for better or worse
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Can we throw the checkbook at Strom? Obviously dude has something we still need.
I live in waco....therefore, I am ready to move elsewhere.
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Ihatefallscounty said:

Can we throw the checkbook at Strom? Obviously dude has something we still need.
ketch has said that Miller was doing most of the work with pitching and strom had minimal input
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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Boiling Denim said:

Blackbeard94 said:

Just read in the paper that the Diamondbacks posted a .333 record in July. Unbelievable they are where they are today.


They started August with 9 straight losses and dropped below .500

Baseball playoffs have definitely jumped the shark into random lotto ball now for better or worse

Get 2.5 good SP, a shutdown bullpen, and RISP hits. That's about the best you can do if you're not the 2019 Astros.
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Didn't he move for grandkids? Maybe we need to send them a nice fruit basket or tiff's treats.
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With a few cheap pick-ups look at how easy it could be to create a deeper lineup.

Vs LHP
2B Altuve - 136
DH Alvarez - 144
CF McCormick - 177
RF Tucker - 154
3B Bregman - 94
C Diaz - 65 (big of a fluke vs LHP)
1B Abreu - 99
LF - Grossman 164
SS - Pena 132
Bench - Dubon 138

Vs RHP
2B Altuve - 161
DH Alvarez - 184
3B Bregman - 138
RF Tucker - 132
C Diaz - 150
LF Heyward - 123
CF McCormick - 114
1B Abreu - 81
SS Pena - 82
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I'm revising my opinion on hypothetical Astros vs Snakes

Snakes in 6

that team is a monster if they can get any sort of lead
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cone said:

I'm revising my opinion on hypothetical Astros vs Snakes

Snakes in 6

that team is a monster if they can get any sort of lead
Well, we swept them a few weeks ago, so there's that.

But.....it was not at home so you may have a point. D-backs in 6.
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I think Rangers match up better vs Snakes, but Snakes will get on base and into scoring position much more often than the Astros did
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