****AL West (Astros & Rangers) Genuine -- and Civil -- Discussion Thread****

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fc2112
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One thing we can all agree on.....

After tonight, one fanbases' livers will get a well earned rest.

I'd forgotten since 2010-2016 how difficult these series are.
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The problem wasn't the angle I showed, it was that it wasn't Dubon at all.

I noticed the glove location difference in yours and looked again. I put Dubon in the search and tried to get the closest similar angle I could but it looks like it ended up showing me an Altuve photo lower in the search. My post is Altuve.

Fact remains that in one of the photos, the ball is just off the plate and flirting with the edge of the batter's box while in the other photo, it's 10-12 inches into the batter's box.

Looking at Dubon's normal stance vs where he is in that photo and then watching the video again, he lifted his front leg to step into it while Garcia never even tried to step into the ball so his body stays in the same place. Dubon's back leg being pulled behind him is something he does when he swings...I have no clue how he can generate the power he does that way but it's unique.

So stepping in and then starting to move the back leg made him a little off balance and caused the wild swing out. The ball wasn't nearly as close as the action indicated but it was definitely a brushback.
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My biggest gripe is I wish they could schedule these games where games 6/7 would be Fri/Sat.....sucks staying up drinking and stressing knowing I have to wake up early for work.
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AustinCountyAg said:

My biggest gripe is I wish they could schedule these games where games 6/7 would be Fri/Sat.....sucks staying up drinking and stressing knowing I have to wake up early for work.


Yeah they could have reworked the schedule given how both teams wrapped up the ALDS early. But I know tv money.

Moving the series up 1 day would have had the following schedule

Game 1/2: Saturday and Sunday
Games 3-5: Tuesday-Thursday
Game 6/7: Saturday/sunday
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tjack16 said:

AustinCountyAg said:

My biggest gripe is I wish they could schedule these games where games 6/7 would be Fri/Sat.....sucks staying up drinking and stressing knowing I have to wake up early for work.


Yeah they could have reworked the schedule given how both teams wrapped up the ALDS early. But I know tv money.

Moving the series up 1 day would have had the following schedule

Game 1/2: Saturday and Sunday
Games 3-5: Tuesday-Thursday
Game 6/7: Saturday/sunday
That would have been a huge improvement, IMO.
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This series has been a treat. Terribly stressful, but a treat nonetheless.
A rivalry series going to game 7 for a trip to the World Series? Can't ask for much more than that. Whichever team gets there will have earned it.
Enjoy the night, Texans.

But also, Go 'Stros!
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This is what sports is all about. Let's go!!!!
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The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.
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Looking forward to a great game ... the only thing I am 100% certain about is that both these teams deserve to be here tonight
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South Platte said:

The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.
Both teams know that isn't happening with this crew lol. Just gotta hope they even each other out
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AggieJ2002 said:

Looking forward to a great game ... the only thing I am 100% certain about is that both these teams deserve to be here tonight
Feels like we've played each other 100 times this year. And it seems like the Tampa and Baltimore series were a month ago.
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South Platte said:

The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.


Had to be a tough at bat for Abreu facing Garcia just because you'd think there'd be zero margin for error. Hit the guy again while appealing the discipline for hitting him two days earlier and that's probably not going to go well.
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wangus12 said:

South Platte said:

The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.
Both teams know that isn't happening with this crew lol. Just gotta hope they even each other out
Yeah, did y'all see this? Completely unacceptable to miss 26% of the calls at this level, especially in the championship series.


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Anyone heard anything definitive about Abreu's availability for tonight?
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Bird93 said:

Anyone heard anything definitive about Abreu's availability for tonight?
It was evidently appealed at 6pm on Sunday so they have until 6pm Tuesday to hold the hearing. I would guess it should still be tonight before the game but it doesn't have to be.

Personally, I think Maldonado called for it but even though I'm a Rangers fan, I don't want Abreu out for the final game. THINKING it was intentional is a long way from KNOWING it was intentional and the playoffs isn't a place to maybe be correct.
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I heard the verdict should be by 5 today.
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They were saying on the postgame last night that it would be decided before the game today. So before 7:03 PM local.
Double Talkin' Jive...
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Chase said:

wangus12 said:

South Platte said:

The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.
Both teams know that isn't happening with this crew lol. Just gotta hope they even each other out
Yeah, did y'all see this? Completely unacceptable to miss 26% of the calls at this level, especially in the championship series.



I don't consider botched calls to be ball/strike version. That usually goes both ways - I hate when an umpire rewards a batter for not protecting the plate with 2 strikes on a pitch a millimeter off the corner. It's Game 7, these guys should be cutting it loose.

I don't want to see some BS "catcher blocking the plate" nonsense that we've seen a few times this year. Or the atrocious, "runner was in the field of play on the throw to first". Hopefully we can avoid these and have a well-played game.

Thankful for the pitch clock/MVR otherwise this becomes a 4.5 hour game.
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Garcia has an open stance which makes it less likely he's crowding the plate by leaning in.
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South Platte said:

Chase said:

wangus12 said:

South Platte said:

The Abreu - Garcia - Maldanado Game 5 incident was unfortunate and hopefully this series is remembered for all the other entertaining reasons. To me, at least through the first 8 innings, Garcia was a little off. Abreu didn't look like himself either. That can't be easy to forget and move on.

Hopefully we have a clean Game 7, no botched calls by the umpire crew, and may the best team win.
Both teams know that isn't happening with this crew lol. Just gotta hope they even each other out
Yeah, did y'all see this? Completely unacceptable to miss 26% of the calls at this level, especially in the championship series.



I don't consider botched calls to be ball/strike version. That usually goes both ways - I hate when an umpire rewards a batter for not protecting the plate with 2 strikes on a pitch a millimeter off the corner. It's Game 7, these guys should be cutting it loose.

I don't want to see some BS "catcher blocking the plate" nonsense that we've seen a few times this year. Or the atrocious, "runner was in the field of play on the throw to first". Hopefully we can avoid these and have a well-played game.

Thankful for the pitch clock/MVR otherwise this becomes a 4.5 hour game.


A strike is a strike. Let the players on the field determine the outcome of the games, not the umpires. Bring on RoboUmp!
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If we're being honest with ourselves, as much as I wanted the Astros to win it in 6 last night … this series was always going 7 games

Division decided on final day due to tie, Astros unbeatable on the road, Rangers pitching getting hot on the road.

I hate the stress of a game 7 but this was always what was going to happen
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Let's hope for a fairly called game tonight and all players come out healthy. Good luck rangers
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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Good, no question, no controversy on the outcome.
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All I do is Nguyen said:

Let's hope for a fairly called game tonight and all players come out healthy. Good luck rangers


Would be hilarious if finally after 6 games we get a good umpire performance for both sides. It's been so bad for both teams
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tjack16 said:

All I do is Nguyen said:

Let's hope for a fairly called game tonight and all players come out healthy. Good luck rangers


Would be hilarious if finally after 6 games we get a good umpire performance for both sides. It's been so bad for both teams


The outside corner has been maddening. It's a strike then it's a ball then it's a ball again but a pitch even farther out is a strike.
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As an Astros fan I'm not real confident we can win this game at home, crazy that a team can't win at home, not sure I've seen or remember a team like this ? Anyway, it was a fun series and good luck, good thing is it will be done tonight, win lose or draw, someone will face Philly most likely
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From an Astros fan, congratulations to the Ranger fans. You guys got hot at the perfect time and deserve your shot in the WS.

I'll be rooting for you guys to pull it off. Never really understood the hate from some people from both sides.
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Congrats Rangers fans ... your team earned it and looks like a team with some staying power. Good luck in the series
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Good luck guys. Great win and great season.

Go Astros.

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That was a real butt-whipping. Good luck Rangers in the Series.
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Congrats Rangers fans
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Congrats, Rangers. Rangers were definitely the better team this series.
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Congrats, Rangers fans. Your boys were definitely the better team this series. Enjoy the World Series. Not much better than watching your team play for it all.
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Tip of the cap. Congrats Rangers fans. Enjoy the ride.
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Great series and thanks for civil discussion and good wishes after, Astros fans. We'll do everything we can to keep the trophy in the AL.
 
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