And we're not done yet I don't think. Now, Scherzer is going to have to find it again or figure it out. His advanced numbers are still okay, but he's experiencing career worsts in velo and spin rate. He's also giving up home runs at a career worst clip. I like the move, I really do, but there is still work left to be done.
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Scherzer pitched Friday. I have tickets this Thursday.
MAKE IT HAPPEN!
MAKE IT HAPPEN!
CY has been impressive so far since taking over. To that point, I wish someone would write a book or a long form article that details JD's tenure and what changed after the 2011 season until his exit. From 2009-2011 seemed like everything JD touched was gold with trades and FA signings. Then a decade + of mediocrity.
IMO we still need another SP, 1-2 relievers and now, with Heim's uncertainty moving forward, a bat.
JMO but I personally think JD got gun shy after the Prince Fielder debacle. I think that scared him off of long term big $$$ contracts. It's interesting to note that the Semien/Seager deals didn't happen until CY was on board.La Fours said:
CY has been impressive so far since taking over. To that point, I wish someone would write a book or a long form article that details JD's tenure and what changed after the 2011 season until his exit. From 2009-2011 seemed like everything JD touched was gold with trades and FA signings. Then a decade + of mediocrity.
Jimbo Franchione
gigem1223 said:
IMO we still need another SP, 1-2 relievers and now, with Heim's uncertainty moving forward, a bat.
I think if we add another SP then you can realistically move one of the starters into the pen and it's probably as good a gamble as picking up a mid-range reliever (not one of your Hader-caliber types). Heaney is the most likely option as he's got IP qualifiers in his contract that we're probably not interested in latching ourselves to for 2024.
But I agree that where this rotation is right now, Scherzer is simply a steadying+ type add. Improves the rotation, but this is a rotation that has been downright bad for 2 months and don't have career #'s to suggest it's going to suddenly return to sub-4-ERA production. It won't be as bad as it's been, but it's not going to be anything like April/May.
So put very simply, with the roster as currently composed (Seager out for a couple of weeks, Heim at this point a complete unknown), I think Scherzer moves us back to a legitimate playoff team but still not a likely division winner.
Simply put, Astros have won 9 of 15 series since May (and can make it 10 of their last 16 with a W today) -- including two series against Texas. That's with Altuve and Alvarez on the shelf for a chunk of that.
Texas has won 6 of 16 series since May (4 of last 14). Seager is currently on the shelf (but should return soon). Heim is on the shelf and we really don't know for how long (or what production will be when he returns). Eovaldi just went from the "we've heard this a million times" 'oh we're just giving him some extra rest'" to "we're running MRIs and skipping another start".
As currently constructed, Houston Astros are your division favorites. We can survive if we don't make another move (though it will take some players playing above their head last two months), but I don't think we can survive if we're done with moves and Houston makes any kind of significant add.
Proposition Joe said:gigem1223 said:
IMO we still need another SP, 1-2 relievers and now, with Heim's uncertainty moving forward, a bat.
I think if we add another SP then you can realistically move one of the starters into the pen and it's probably as good a gamble as picking up a mid-range reliever (not one of your Hader-caliber types). Heaney is the most likely option as he's got IP qualifiers in his contract that we're probably not interested in latching ourselves to for 2024.
But I agree that where this rotation is right now, Scherzer is simply a steadying+ type add. Improves the rotation, but this is a rotation that has been downright bad for 2 months and don't have career #'s to suggest it's going to suddenly return to sub-4-ERA production. It won't be as bad as it's been, but it's not going to be anything like April/May.
So put very simply, with the roster as currently composed (Seager out for a couple of weeks, Heim at this point a complete unknown), I think Scherzer moves us back to a legitimate playoff team but still not a likely division winner.
Simply put, Astros have won 9 of 15 series since May (and can make it 10 of their last 16 with a W today) -- including two series against Texas. That's with Altuve and Alvarez on the shelf for a chunk of that.
Texas has won 6 of 16 series since May (4 of last 14). Seager is currently on the shelf (but should return soon). Heim is on the shelf and we really don't know for how long (or what production will be when he returns). Eovaldi just went from the "we've heard this a million times" 'oh we're just giving him some extra rest'" to "we're running MRIs and skipping another start".
As currently constructed, Houston Astros are your division favorites. We can survive if we don't make another move (though it will take some players playing above their head last two months), but I don't think we can survive if we're done with moves and Houston makes any kind of significant add.
I agree with moving starters to the pen. I also think they should use the same philosophy for trades. If they're giving up prospect capital, get some insurance against an injury with a guy who you could use for bullpen work.
Heim too, and not just for his offense. You could see a big difference defensively behind the plate yesterday without him.Grapesoda2525 said:
We need Seager and Eovaldi back asap. Their absences have really hurt the team this last 10 days or so.
Man I hope he can return this season!
Here you go:La Fours said:
CY has been impressive so far since taking over. To that point, I wish someone would write a book or a long form article that details JD's tenure and what changed after the 2011 season until his exit. From 2009-2011 seemed like everything JD touched was gold with trades and FA signings. Then a decade + of mediocrity.
JD is interesting... I think they found some ways to game the system and MLB closed those loopholes for the sake of parity.
For example, in 2007, losing Top FAs would get a Comp pick. So, the Rangers signed a bunch of guys in 2006 to 1yr contracts. The rule has been changed that the player has to be on the team 1yr, so mid-season traded players no longer carry that extra value.
Eric Gagne -> Traded to BoSox for Engel Beltre, Gabbard, and David Murphy.
That was the year of the Teixeira trade. The Rangers had leverage that a QO for Teixeira would return basically a pick after the 1st Rd. So, Atlanta knowing THEY'D get the pick were willing to offer more for Teixeira.
Preller - He was with the Rangers from '04-14. You can read his impact, but he opened up the DR to the Rangers.
https://www.espn.co.uk/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/6967542/texas-rangers-committed-dominican-republic-part-international-scouting-plan
Preller got busted for several violations, including forging birth certificates, etc. Agents were getting slid money to steer players to sign in different places and birth certificates were highly unreliable.
MLB closed that exploit by creating an International signing period with limited Pool money. I think losing Preller was a big deal.
Most importantly, Preller brought Don Welke to the Rangers from the Dodgers organization, wehre Welke mentored Preller. Preller took Welke to SD when he left. I think that was huge. Rangers were able to get a longtime, well respected Scouting Director.
I think guys like Matt Bush and Hamilton gave him confidence in taking risk. And guys like Darvish and Fielder, among others caused pause. JD at one point either directly or indirectly expressed that if he had $40M to spend on SP... he could sign 4 guys at $10M... 2 guys at $20M/ea or 1 ToTR guy for $40M.
Losing Fielder was a waste. He believed SPs were more likley going to be lost for TJ at some point, so rather than putting all his eggs in a $40M basket, and then only have a minor leaguer behind him, he could sign a bunch of guys and when one SP goes down, he would have another waiting. In ST, you just let it sort itself out.
Next came the problem of Rule V where now he can't just stockpile all this talent.
When he sat in the dugout after the Cardinals game, you knew he had been broken.
I think he became too attached to the money/cost aspect and became too tentative. I'm not sure what the Owner situation was. I believe one of the owners was going through divorce and Oil was down, so I'm not sure if the FO tightened up the money, but things certainly changed.
Thanks
Yeah, the rules he smartly took advantage of to build the team got changed. One of the main issues with JD is that he pretty consistently did a lousy job of drafting and developing
Some color on the Draft comments:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Major_League_Baseball_draft
Mahay was included in the Teixeira deal. As a result, Atlanta got comp'ed with the #40 pick.
Boston got the $45 pick for Gagne.
Rangers traded Cordero to Milw in 2006, and Milw got the 32nd pick in 2008.
In 2009, when Teixeira walked from Anaheim, after being traded by Atlanta... Angels got the #25 overall pick. Guess who they took with #25?!
Some guy that would become known as a generational player.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Major_League_Baseball_draft
Mahay was included in the Teixeira deal. As a result, Atlanta got comp'ed with the #40 pick.
Boston got the $45 pick for Gagne.
Rangers traded Cordero to Milw in 2006, and Milw got the 32nd pick in 2008.
In 2009, when Teixeira walked from Anaheim, after being traded by Atlanta... Angels got the #25 overall pick. Guess who they took with #25?!
Some guy that would become known as a generational player.More so once Welke and Preller left.DannyDuberstein said:
Yeah, the rules he smartly took advantage of to build the team got changed. One of the main issues with JD is that he pretty consistently did a lousy job of drafting and developing
Any more trade rumblings today?
Looks like Teoscar Hernandez is going to be traded. Seems like a good fit for us and a sell low scenario. Teoscar is a good player having a career worst year. He's due to get hot. Maybe a change of scenery gives him that spark.
Looks like it might be Bradford for us today.
ETA... it'd be pretty funny if Bradford was included in a deal for Snell and Snell pitched for Texas and Bradford pitched for SDP.
ETA... it'd be pretty funny if Bradford was included in a deal for Snell and Snell pitched for Texas and Bradford pitched for SDP.
Meh. If you look at his career #s, he's the type of player we don't need IMO. Strikes out a lot, and his BA history is up & down since becoming a regular player.gigem1223 said:
Looks like Teoscar Hernandez is going to be traded. Seems like a good fit for us and a sell low scenario. Teoscar is a good player having a career worst year. He's due to get hot. Maybe a change of scenery gives him that spark.
.239
.230
.289
.296 (career best season)
.260
.239 this season
His 162 game average for K's is 189. If we're going to get a bat, we need to get somebody with more contact than that. I wouldn't be upset if we got him, assuming we don't give up hardly anything, but I wouldn't be doing cartwheels either.
Jimbo Franchione
Say what you want, but he's been better than Perez recently even if he gives up a long ball or two.
Additional Rangers transactions for Sunday:
— Texas Rangers PR (@TXRangersPR) July 30, 2023
-RHP Nathan Eovaldi placed on 15-day Injured List, retroactive to 7/27, with right forearm strain.
-RHP Grant Anderson recalled from Round Rock (AAA).
He hasn't pitched in over a week. Why is it only retroactive to 7/27? One of those baseball things that doesn't make any sense…
rbtexan said:Meh. If you look at his career #s, he's the type of player we don't need IMO. Strikes out a lot, and his BA history is up & down since becoming a regular player.gigem1223 said:
Looks like Teoscar Hernandez is going to be traded. Seems like a good fit for us and a sell low scenario. Teoscar is a good player having a career worst year. He's due to get hot. Maybe a change of scenery gives him that spark.
.239
.230
.289
.296 (career best season)
.260
.239 this season
His 162 game average for K's is 189. If we're going to get a bat, we need to get somebody with more contact than that. I wouldn't be upset if we got him, assuming we don't give up hardly anything, but I wouldn't be doing cartwheels either.
I don't really value BA as much as OPS and OPS+
.908/ 133
.771/ 109
.778/ 105
.919/ 146
.870/ 131
.807/ 129
If he can get back to his career numbers, we can definitely use him.
*negative vibes incoming*beagle2009 said:Additional Rangers transactions for Sunday:
— Texas Rangers PR (@TXRangersPR) July 30, 2023
-RHP Nathan Eovaldi placed on 15-day Injured List, retroactive to 7/27, with right forearm strain.
-RHP Grant Anderson recalled from Round Rock (AAA).
We are so f***ed lol
beagle2009 said:Additional Rangers transactions for Sunday:
— Texas Rangers PR (@TXRangersPR) July 30, 2023
-RHP Nathan Eovaldi placed on 15-day Injured List, retroactive to 7/27, with right forearm strain.
-RHP Grant Anderson recalled from Round Rock (AAA).
So looks like he's definitely missing more than just another start. Why can't we ever have nice things? DeGrom/ Seager/ Heim/ Eovaldi. I was so excited last week headed into the trade deadline, now I'm just depressed.
Yup, I'm with you guys. Another rough stretch we just need to find a way to get through without completely imploding. Win today and try as hard as we can to tread water until we get these guys back, but damn we're missing them bad right now.
With all of this being said, it's time for some guys to nut up. Bradford is a good example. Go out and show Bochy and the front office you need to be one of the five starters.
It's time for everyone to nut up. Especially our vets. Looking at you Semien, Lowe and Garcia.
Lineup:
[ol]
Marcus Semien (R) 2B Robbie Grossman (S) LF Nathaniel Lowe (L) 1B Adolis Garcia (R) RF Josh Jung (R) 3B Mitch Garver (R) DH Ezequiel Duran (R) SS Sam Huff (R) C Leody Taveras (S) CF [/ol]
[ol]
DallasAg 94 said:
Lineup:
[ol]Marcus Semien (R) 2B Robbie Grossman (S) LF Nathaniel Lowe (L) 1B Adolis Garcia (R) RF Josh Jung (R) 3B Mitch Garver (R) DH Ezequiel Duran (R) SS Sam Huff (R) C Leody Taveras (S) CF [/ol]
Grossman in the 2 hole? Wtf
No way we don't lose the division lead now. Too many injuries and not enough answers. Need a hell of a trade deadline.
Probably cause I haven't been able to watch many Rangers game with the whole Bally debacle, but it's starting to be apparent how unimpressive Dave Raymond and CJ Nitkowski are.
It's even more apparent when you see how spoiled we are with every other major sport in DFW.
STARS - Josh & Razor - Clearly the best in DFW and consistently seen nationally as top broadcast team in NHL
MAVS - Followill, Parker, and Skin - Very solid team probably higher in esteem nationally due to Followill
COWBOYS - Brad Sham & Babe Laufenburg - Good to great (especially Sham)
RANGERS - Eric Nadel - Hall of Famer
Dave Raymond and CJ are clearly the worst team. Hell, even FC Dallas had Followill calling games until very recently.
It's even more apparent when you see how spoiled we are with every other major sport in DFW.
STARS - Josh & Razor - Clearly the best in DFW and consistently seen nationally as top broadcast team in NHL
MAVS - Followill, Parker, and Skin - Very solid team probably higher in esteem nationally due to Followill
COWBOYS - Brad Sham & Babe Laufenburg - Good to great (especially Sham)
RANGERS - Eric Nadel - Hall of Famer
Dave Raymond and CJ are clearly the worst team. Hell, even FC Dallas had Followill calling games until very recently.
Legal Custodian said:
Probably cause I haven't been able to watch many Rangers game with the whole Bally debacle, but it's starting to be apparent how unimpressive Dave Raymond and CJ Nitkowski are.
It's even more apparent when you see how spoiled we are with every other major sport in DFW.
STARS - Josh & Razor - Clearly the best in DFW and consistently seen nationally as top broadcast team in NHL
MAVS - Followill, Parker, and Skin - Very solid team probably higher in esteem nationally due to Followill
COWBOYS - Brad Sham & Babe Laufenburg - Good to great (especially Sham)
RANGERS - Eric Nadel - Hall of Famer
Dave Raymond and CJ are clearly the worst team. Hell, even FC Dallas had Followill calling games until very recently.
I do enjoy listening to CJ, even though he can be very biased at times.. but Dave Raymond is hot garbage.
I used to look at Dave Raymond as just a generic tv announcer, but he has really gotten on my nerves this season. Getting excited when the other team makes a play, waiting until the ball is bouncing around in the stands before yelling "GONE!" and completely ignoring any kind of jinx rules over and over again. And then he doesn't know the rules and can't get replays right. So irritating.
Throw on top the random Dave Valle pairings and the broadcast team really sucks.
Throw on top the random Dave Valle pairings and the broadcast team really sucks.
Legal Custodian said:
Probably cause I haven't been able to watch many Rangers game with the whole Bally debacle, but it's starting to be apparent how unimpressive Dave Raymond and CJ Nitkowski are.
It's even more apparent when you see how spoiled we are with every other major sport in DFW.
STARS - Josh & Razor - Clearly the best in DFW and consistently seen nationally as top broadcast team in NHL
MAVS - Followill, Parker, and Skin - Very solid team probably higher in esteem nationally due to Followill
COWBOYS - Brad Sham & Babe Laufenburg - Good to great (especially Sham)
RANGERS - Eric Nadel - Hall of Famer
Dave Raymond and CJ are clearly the worst team. Hell, even FC Dallas had Followill calling games until very recently.
I actually like CJ. Dave needs to be replaced.
I like CJ. Raymond is terrible. Get CJ a good PBP guy and it would be a strong booth
I agree. CJ is fine as a color guy Dave Raymond just says stupid s*** constantly.
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