Idk if anyone here saw this, but Chas McCormick is a punk *****. He tried one of the most bush league moves last night in attempting to knock the ball out of Ty France's glove while running down to first. Easily could've injured Ty France's left elbow with that what he did.

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Draft July 9
HR Derby July 10
ASG July 11

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In 3 days, the rangers will probably have the best farm system in baseball.

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I don't think that is likely. First, the player has to sign before they are considered... they won't be signing on day-one. Also, our Pool money is like $9.9M (16th)

There will be plenty of shuffling come Aug 2, but I don't think anyone we get on the 9th will change much. Don't forget, while we get a Top 4 pick... we don't get a 2nd Rder nor a 3rd Rder.

The only way we'd jump in Farm System is if in the 4th Rd we took a College-bound prospect that had signability concerns, was passed up, and we opened up the truck. In which case, I believe we'd lose our 1st Rd in 2024 and 2025 (If you go over 105% of pool money). And if you do that, you might as well get one in the 5th Rd, as well.

We expect to be a playoff team, so we wouldn't be losing a Top 10 pick. You'd lose your #1 in 2024 (pick 25-30?) and in 2025 (pick 25-30).

There are several guys:
Blake Mitchell, C, Denton (Texas) High - Committed to LSU
Roch Cholowsky, SS, Hamilton High (Chandler, Ariz.) - Committed to UCLA
Travis Sykora, RHP, Round Rock (Texas) High - Committed to the Sips
Tanner Witt, RHP, Texas - Coming back from TJ, he could be a guy that returns to the Sips or takes the draft money.

Is there any reason why we shouldn't draft the Lowder kid from Wake Forest? He could contribute as soon as 2024 when our window is just starting to open.

Otherwise it's an outfielder in high school that we won't see for 5 years.

Edit: And Bochy is 68. Who knows how long he's going to do this. Get him a player he can use immediately. I still can't believe he's managing this team. His wife must have been tired of him laying around the house.

The upside on Clark and Jenkins is quite a bit higher from what I've read. The top 5 of Skenes, Crews, Langford, Jenkins and Clark is apparently a cut above (and considerably a cut above) than the rest of the field, and is one of the best top 5's we've seen in.

I'll add this; if we were somehow able to get our hands on any of Skenes, Crews, or Langford, they could help this team within a calendar year or so imo. They are that talented and pro ready.

You aren't drafting to add to the big league team ASAP (and imo, you probably shouldn't ever have that mindset). Prospects are assets above all else - we want to have the highest-value assets. A high ceiling prep player could very easily bring back more in a trade than a high floor college arm, etc. If anything, when drafting during a championship window we'd want to draft the most "tradable" guy, although regardless I think all logical roads lead back to just going 'best prospect available'.

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The upside on Clark and Jenkins is quite a bit higher from what I've read. The top 5 of Skenes, Crews, Langford, Jenkins and Clark is apparently a cut above (and considerably a cut above) than the rest of the field, and is one of the best top 5's we've seen in.

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This, and also what Dwb22 said.

You can't view the MLB draft the way you do the NFL or NBA draft. You don't get immediate impact players in baseball, only rarely do players go straight from the draft to the majors. Just doesn't work that way. So you don't draft with the mindset of who can help you the fastest, you draft with the mindset of who can help you the most long-term.

Like you... I think I'd prefer a College player in the 1st Rd. Not because he'd contribute early but because they have more certainty. Having said that... as mentioned above, it is almost universal that the Top5 players are a measure above the others and I'd be hard pressed to find anyone say differently.

So, if you decide to be cute, you'd better be right.

Lowder has a very high floor, but seems to be projected as a mid-rotation guy ceiling. As a college SP, he is more identifiable than HS SPs.

Skenes is supposed to be the best college SP since Strasburg.

Jenkins is supposed to be the best player out of NC since Josh Hamilton. That isn't to say he is equivalent to Hamilton, but at least to compare how he is viewed.

If a draft pick this year is going to contribute to 2024 success, it would likely be that he got traded.

The past few drafts we've selected players with the clear intent of them making major contributions in weak areas. I don't know why we would go away from that strategy. Jung, Winn, Leiter, Rocker, . . . Lowder!!



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If a draft pick this year is going to contribute to 2024 success, it would likely be that he got traded.

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I don't think we're going to see MLB trading 1st round draft picks so soon after the draft, at least not teams like the Rangers. If you see it happen, IMO it'll be small market teams like Pittsburgh or Kansas City. It's too ingrained in the baseball culture, nobody wants to be the guy/team that traded away Clayton Kershaw or Juan Soto before they ever got to the majors. I'm not sure why that is, maybe it goes back to nobody wanting to be the Red Sox and trade away Babe Ruth for a box of Fruit Loops and some breath mints.

If you think about it, you don't see that happen in any sport really. NFL teams don't draft a player and then trade him...neither does the NBA. Now the advantage (I guess) that those leagues have is that they can actually trade draft picks, and I think, and have thought for a long time, that being able to trade your pick in the draft before you make a selection is something that MLB should at least consider allowing to happen.

Regardless, I in no way believe the Rangers will draft a player and then immediately trade that player away - and I'm defining "immediately" as "anytime in the first couple of years after they get drafted".

JMO

I have no qualms about taking HS OFers in the top 5 if their talent dictates it. That kind of player's path to the majors really isn't much longer than anyone else if the talent at the plate is there

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If he would sign, I would definitely take the chance on him. He has got some incredible stuff when he is right.. He was not good in the regional or super regional but he could be an ace down the road with the right coaching.

I think the NFL does draft-and-trade. They even trade picks during the draft.

For MLB, historically, you were unable to trade picks until a year after they were either drafted... or signed (can't recall if both were valid at some point).

There was a loophole, where teams had up to 6 months to announce a PTBNL, so teams could trade players after the window was less than 6 months and then name them in trades after eligible to change teams.

The latest CBA closed that by allowing teams to trade drafted players after the WS, or so, IIRC (based on info earlier in thread).

Having said all that...my point was really to say, any player drafted in this draft won't contribute directly to a 2024 team. The best chance for production in 2024 would be any player that you got in exchange for that drafted player.

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RE the first part, yes they can. But you'd be hard pressed to find many examples of that happening. It's a unicorn for many reasons. As for the 2nd part, that was what I was advocating in my post.

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After the NFL draft, if a player is drafted, he is only able to negotiate with the team that drafted him. The player's only other option is to not play for a season.

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The only time you see a player traded before he signs/plays for a team is if there are substantial issues...arrests, domestic violence, or something. Also, in MLB, players usually agree (in principle) to a contract/signing bonus before they are drafted, so the need to trade a player because you can't sign him is diminished. Also, they can typically go to college, go back to college, or sign with an independent team like Rocker did. Baseball is just a different deal in regards to the draft.

I'm hoping after the ASG, they get back to the basics and settle in for a huge run.

As exciting as the ASG is, it has to be very distracting. You're having to make travel... family plans... your phone is blowing up with people wanting tickets, you've gotta select you attendants...

The the pressure of knowing they will have the full attention of fans and wanting to do well in the game...

I think part of it too is they're gassed. It's been a very long month and some change. Lots of road trips and only a couple of days off since June 1st.

But like you, hope players get some much needed rest and can empty their minds, and come out fighting like hell after the break.

More of the same tonight. Was really hoping Boch would change up some things but nope.

Semien 2B
Seager SS
Lowe 1B
Garcia RF
Jung 3B
Heim C
Jankowski LF
Duran DH
Taveras CF

The Sunday game vs the Nationals is on Peacock and not BSSW. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a free trial for Peacock? It looks like you have to pay $4.99 plus tax for a month subscription.

Wow. Just saw the Rangers are the first team in 47 years to have 5 starters in the ASG. How are we so bad right now?

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Wow. Just saw the Rangers are the first team in 47 years to have 5 starters in the ASG. How are we so bad right now?

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We have the 4th best record in MLB AND are #1 in Run Differential.

We have some holes and struggled of late, but overall, we have some talent.

OH... and we voted well.

2nd Half is going to be fun.

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RE the first part, yes they can. But you'd be hard pressed to find many examples of that happening. It's a unicorn for many reasons. As for the 2nd part, that was what I was advocating in my post.

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Eli Manning was drafted by the San Diego Chargers and traded to the Giants the night of the draft.

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Perfect time for the ASB IMO. I have a concern with Adolis getting homer-happy post-homerun derby, but we're definitely in a rut right now so any kind of reset is welcomed.

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Not too worried about Adolis and the home run derby. He seems to take the same approach every at bat. Hit ball hard and far.

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RE the first part, yes they can. But you'd be hard pressed to find many examples of that happening. It's a unicorn for many reasons. As for the 2nd part, that was what I was advocating in my post.

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Eli Manning was drafted by the San Diego Chargers and traded to the Giants the night of the draft.

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I'm not sure what sort of "gotcha" you were going for there. I said that the NFL can absolutely draft & trade, but that there aren't MANY examples. You offered only one, that goes back to 2004, which pretty much makes my point.

FWIW the Manning trade was arranged prior to the draft because the Mannings had told the Chargers that he wouldn't sign with them - so they worked out a trade with the Giants. So it's not like they drafted him and then went "oh shoot, let's go ahead and trade this guy."

There are exceptions to everything, and you can cherry pick a player who was traded here & there. But almost every single one of them were traded because of some sort of issue - such as sign-abilty or something else. Teams simply don't draft a player, especially in the 1st round, and then turn around and trade that player shortly afterwards unless it was something they set up to do in advance.

This is derailing the thread, but to get it back to the Rangers topic, I don't see any way whatsoever that the Rangers will draft a player in the 1st round and then trade him less than a year later. Just won't happen.

I don't think either of us was trying to play gotcha. You said they were unicorns... I thought you got a little more defensive than I intended, so I dropped it.

I was making the point that it happens to validate to myself as much as anyone. I think because it is rumored so much, it seems like it happens a bunch. What happens frequently is a team trading up the draft so they can select the player and not so much that a player is drafted and then traded.

There were a couple incidences, IIRC, where a team drafted a player and then had conversation with another team and said, "If you select PlayerY with the #19 pick, we'll trade you the guy we drafted #1 for the guy you took #19+other stuff." Not sure it ever happened, but that is my recollection.

Now that's funny

Why do the Rangers insist on having 10 different combos of commentators?

Get Lowe out of the 3 spot

Nice start

Did Zeke take a single pitch during that AB?