*****Official Texas Rangers 2023 Season Thread***** [Staff Warning]

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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 10:42a, 6/8/23
I think our OF going forward barring severe slumps is Duran, Taveras and Garcia

The IF is Lowe, Semien, Seager and Jung, with Heim at C.

So the only real question is at DH, and how many days you let Semien/Seager DH to keep them fresh. Since those are the guys you want to rotate in to the DH spot. That's where I see Foscue's possible value late in the season, he can play second and spell those guys while also getting in some DH time to keep the bat consistently in the lineup.

Grossman's been a negative WAR player this year, so I'd keep Jankowski as the backup OF'er. Smith can handle being the utility guy in the OF/IF, and Garver is your backup catcher/occasional DH as well.

Get Foscue at bats, and then you have Smith, Garver and Jankowski on the bench. Never let Sandy Leon touch a bat again. For the playoff roster, you bring back Bubba and you have him ready to go as the late inning pinch runner. One of the reasons I'm so bullish on Foscue right now is his bat to ball and on base skills he's showing in AAA. Sometimes in the playoffs all you need is a guy to move a guy over or get on. He's shown that he can do it in the minors, I want to see him do it up here now. (He's only K'd 23 times in 50+ games at AAA so far)
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In reply to AggieEP • 11:21a, 6/8/23
Maybe I'd take:

2. Owen White (23-AA-SP): 11GS, 3.54 ERA
6. Foscue (24-AAA-2B): 54G, .285, 8HR, 7SB

and a couple mid-tier players and get Ohtani.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 11:23a, 6/8/23
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It would be really nice if Owen White buckled down and put up a great two month stretch before the deadline.

As I say that, I just saw that he went 7 shutty and 6Ks last night. He's been good in two starts in June. Keep it up.
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12:01p, 6/8/23
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Looking at some misc statistics on games this year and found something odd and maybe a weird side effect of the new rules. 2023 is tied with the 1948 season for the least amount of games that go into extra innings at 7.11%.

On average years it looks like it's roughly 9-10% of games go to extra innings with a few anomaly years thrown in but the next closest in the modern era is 7.48% in 1947 and 2005 and 2017 not too far behind at 7.49%.

Any ideas on why this is or is this just a weird anomaly year as well?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/misc.shtml
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 12:05p, 6/8/23
DallasAg 94 said:
Maybe I'd take:

2. Owen White (23-AA-SP): 11GS, 3.54 ERA
6. Foscue (24-AAA-2B): 54G, .285, 8HR, 7SB

and a couple mid-tier players and get Ohtani.

The nice thing about this deadline is that we really only have one glaring hole to fix and that's the back end of the bullpen. The FO will have to decide between the usual suspects kind of fix, or a big time fix.

If the Padres stay like they are now, Hader should be available as a rental, and one that will be in demand, but that shouldn't take a top prospect to rent for 2 months. If Jack Leiter keeps making strides, he could also be a candidate to be a bullpen piece in October. He has strike out stuff, and if he just had to cover an inning or so, it could be an interesting flex option.

Even if Foscue and White are available to trade, I just don't know who we're bringing in that makes this roster better. Maybe things start to get interesting if San Diego really wants to blow things up, and Soto + Hader is available. Then you can start getting crazy and send anyone not named Evan Carter in a deal to get it done and you go win the World Series and convince Soto to stay. Maybe even they are pissed enough at Tatis that they offer Tatis + Hader and the price is lower than Soto, but the upside is you don't have to worry about Tatis being able to walk.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 12:06p, 6/8/23
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Legal Custodian said:
Looking at some misc statistics on games this year and found something odd and maybe a weird side effect of the new rules. 2023 is tied with the 1948 season for the least amount of games that go into extra innings at 7.11%.

On average years it looks like it's roughly 9-10% of games go to extra innings with a few anomaly years thrown in but the next closest in the modern era is 7.48% in 1947 and 2005 and 2017 not too far behind at 7.49%.

Any ideas on why this is or is this just a weird anomaly year as well?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/misc.shtml


Not sure if this is correlation or causation but maybe it has something to do with two teams (Rays and Rangers) who have really good run differentials and then there is an absolutely horrific team in the As.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 12:24p, 6/8/23
Legal Custodian said:
Looking at some misc statistics on games this year and found something odd and maybe a weird side effect of the new rules. 2023 is tied with the 1948 season for the least amount of games that go into extra innings at 7.11%.

On average years it looks like it's roughly 9-10% of games go to extra innings with a few anomaly years thrown in but the next closest in the modern era is 7.48% in 1947 and 2005 and 2017 not too far behind at 7.49%.

Any ideas on why this is or is this just a weird anomaly year as well?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/misc.shtml
I wonder how the "tanking" plan has impacted it.

As the 2023 fate of some clubs seems more inevitable... teams start to sell off and bring up youngsters who are getting their feet wet. As a result, some teams have less fight late in the games.
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In reply to AggieEP • 12:33p, 6/8/23
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DallasAg 94 said:
Maybe I'd take:

2. Owen White (23-AA-SP): 11GS, 3.54 ERA
6. Foscue (24-AAA-2B): 54G, .285, 8HR, 7SB

and a couple mid-tier players and get Ohtani.

The nice thing about this deadline is that we really only have one glaring hole to fix and that's the back end of the bullpen. The FO will have to decide between the usual suspects kind of fix, or a big time fix.

If the Padres stay like they are now, Hader should be available as a rental, and one that will be in demand, but that shouldn't take a top prospect to rent for 2 months. If Jack Leiter keeps making strides, he could also be a candidate to be a bullpen piece in October. He has strike out stuff, and if he just had to cover an inning or so, it could be an interesting flex option.

Even if Foscue and White are available to trade, I just don't know who we're bringing in that makes this roster better. Maybe things start to get interesting if San Diego really wants to blow things up, and Soto + Hader is available. Then you can start getting crazy and send anyone not named Evan Carter in a deal to get it done and you go win the World Series and convince Soto to stay. Maybe even they are pissed enough at Tatis that they offer Tatis + Hader and the price is lower than Soto, but the upside is you don't have to worry about Tatis being able to walk.
Zero interest in Tatis, Jr. He already has one PED strike against him and I'm not committing 11 MORE years at the price he is signed. He might be a .300/20/20 guy... but he also may be a Juan Gonzalez perpetual injury risk that is unable to go a full season... for 11 MORE years.

I agree about making this roster better. The only places I'm looking is at LF/DH... a couple RPs. A SP would be from a very short list.

If Ragans continues to develop as a RP... we might be ok.
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In reply to AggieEP • 12:47p, 6/8/23
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If Jack Leiter keeps making strides, he could also be a candidate to be a bullpen piece in October. He has strike out stuff, and if he just had to cover an inning or so, it could be an interesting flex option.
You know... he has a cousin, Mark, who is a RP for the CHC that might become available.
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In reply to Carlo4 • 12:49p, 6/8/23
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to make a statement as we have played the weakest SOS in baseball


Is this true? I know competition is picking up, but did not realize it was that bad.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 12:51p, 6/8/23
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DallasAg 94 said:
AggieEP said:
DallasAg 94 said:
Maybe I'd take:

2. Owen White (23-AA-SP): 11GS, 3.54 ERA
6. Foscue (24-AAA-2B): 54G, .285, 8HR, 7SB

and a couple mid-tier players and get Ohtani.

The nice thing about this deadline is that we really only have one glaring hole to fix and that's the back end of the bullpen. The FO will have to decide between the usual suspects kind of fix, or a big time fix.

If the Padres stay like they are now, Hader should be available as a rental, and one that will be in demand, but that shouldn't take a top prospect to rent for 2 months. If Jack Leiter keeps making strides, he could also be a candidate to be a bullpen piece in October. He has strike out stuff, and if he just had to cover an inning or so, it could be an interesting flex option.

Even if Foscue and White are available to trade, I just don't know who we're bringing in that makes this roster better. Maybe things start to get interesting if San Diego really wants to blow things up, and Soto + Hader is available. Then you can start getting crazy and send anyone not named Evan Carter in a deal to get it done and you go win the World Series and convince Soto to stay. Maybe even they are pissed enough at Tatis that they offer Tatis + Hader and the price is lower than Soto, but the upside is you don't have to worry about Tatis being able to walk.
Zero interest in Tatis, Jr. He already has one PED strike against him and I'm not committing 11 MORE years at the price he is signed. He might be a .300/20/20 guy... but he also may be a Juan Gonzalez perpetual injury risk that is unable to go a full season... for 11 MORE years.

I agree about making this roster better. The only places I'm looking is at LF/DH... a couple RPs. A SP would be from a very short list.

If Ragans continues to develop as a RP... we might be ok.

11 MORE years? Wow, I knew he signed a long term deal, but wow, that's a long time. That's probably five years of suckage (at least) on the back end of that. That makes him untradeable, who is going to give up anything to take on that contract?

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In reply to KT 90 • 12:59p, 6/8/23
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11 MORE years? Wow, I knew he signed a long term deal, but wow, that's a long time. That's probably five years of suckage (at least) on the back end of that. That makes him untradeable, who is going to give up anything to take on that contract?

Because he is so young, the age thing may be less of a problem, but his 30-35 ages (2029-2034) are at $36.7M.

By 2029, with Inflation what it is... $36.7M may be minimum wage in MLB.
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1:08p, 6/8/23
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Yeah Tatis is only 24, and his 11 are no worse than what Seagers 10.
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 1:57p, 6/8/23
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Yeah Tatis is only 24, and his 11 are no worse than what Seagers 10.
Well, no worse other than Tatis' propensity for ringworm and undisclosed injuries that makes him what I'd consider a bad teammate.

There were plenty of rumors at the time about his teammates questioning his behavior and maturity.
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"Very disappointed," pitcher Mike Clevinger said. "The second time we've been disappointed with him. You hope he grows up and learns from this and learns it's about more than just him."
Will he turn out more like Seager... or more like Hamilton?!
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In reply to Carlo4 • 2:11p, 6/8/23
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Carlo4 said:
Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Entire bullpen gets 2 days rest. Most getting 3-4 days rest. What Gray did was big for a number of reasons.
3-4 core starters get 2 days rest.

Bochy knows the next 3 games are more important than Wednesday against a team well below .500. Series of the year so far to make a statement as we have played the weakest SOS in baseball (but have won big like we should).



Make a statement? This isn't college sports where you get judge by quality of opponent played. Each game pretty much carries the same weight (outside of divisional opponent)
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2:22p, 6/8/23
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Looking back at the Seager deal, we got the best of the bunch, in my opinion. Few people, including myself would have said that at the time, though.

Look at the SS available the past few years in FA:

Lindor - .216/.290/.409
Bogaerts - .252/.337/.388
Swanson - .266/.360/.416
Correa - .204/.354/.473
Story - on IL for the season
Baez - .219/.265/.306
Turner - .240/.283/.394
Seager - .336/.393/.588

Double Talkin' Jive...
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 2:40p, 6/8/23
Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Yesterday sucked, but most of the disappointment was washed away when the Astros lost. Game didn't really cost us or hurt us much.
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In reply to KT 90 • 2:47p, 6/8/23
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KT 90 said:
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to make a statement as we have played the weakest SOS in baseball


Is this true? I know competition is picking up, but did not realize it was that bad.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/rpi/_/sort/sos

It's what happens when you play KC and Oakland as much as we have early.

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In reply to Carlo4 • 2:54p, 6/8/23
.479 to .527 is a pretty tight band. Can't be faulted for us being in the AL West, either

Notice AL East holds top 4 spots?
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3:00p, 6/8/23
I saw Tampa pushed Glasnow from today's start to Friday. Thanks a lot Tampa.

They apparently want to show us who is the best team in the AL.

I hope Bochy uses the death lineup for all 3 games.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 3:00p, 6/8/23
DallasAg 94 said:
AggieEP said:
DallasAg 94 said:
Maybe I'd take:

2. Owen White (23-AA-SP): 11GS, 3.54 ERA
6. Foscue (24-AAA-2B): 54G, .285, 8HR, 7SB

and a couple mid-tier players and get Ohtani.

The nice thing about this deadline is that we really only have one glaring hole to fix and that's the back end of the bullpen. The FO will have to decide between the usual suspects kind of fix, or a big time fix.

If the Padres stay like they are now, Hader should be available as a rental, and one that will be in demand, but that shouldn't take a top prospect to rent for 2 months. If Jack Leiter keeps making strides, he could also be a candidate to be a bullpen piece in October. He has strike out stuff, and if he just had to cover an inning or so, it could be an interesting flex option.

Even if Foscue and White are available to trade, I just don't know who we're bringing in that makes this roster better. Maybe things start to get interesting if San Diego really wants to blow things up, and Soto + Hader is available. Then you can start getting crazy and send anyone not named Evan Carter in a deal to get it done and you go win the World Series and convince Soto to stay. Maybe even they are pissed enough at Tatis that they offer Tatis + Hader and the price is lower than Soto, but the upside is you don't have to worry about Tatis being able to walk.
Zero interest in Tatis, Jr. He already has one PED strike against him and I'm not committing 11 MORE years at the price he is signed. He might be a .300/20/20 guy... but he also may be a Juan Gonzalez perpetual injury risk that is unable to go a full season... for 11 MORE years.

I agree about making this roster better. The only places I'm looking is at LF/DH... a couple RPs. A SP would be from a very short list.

If Ragans continues to develop as a RP... we might be ok.
I think it's hard to say zero interest, if San Diego wants to blow things up, and a player with MVP upside is possibly available... I think you at least talk. Someone mentioned Josh Hamilton, we took on a drug addict and created an atmosphere for him to succeed, that atmosphere led to the only 2 world series appearances we have. Tatis's sins are much less than Hamilton's were, so I don't think he's beyond saving by any means. And me and you must remember the Juan Gonzalez years differently, dude was awesome for the Rangers and I don't remember him being on the shelf for us. That was all once he signed with Detroit and started complaining about their long fences.

And as mentioned, long contract, but ends in his age 35 season, so hypothetically you wouldn't pay for negative WAR seasons in late 30s with him.
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In reply to fc2112 • 3:02p, 6/8/23
fc2112 said:
.479 to .527 is a pretty tight band. Can't be faulted for us being in the AL West, either

Notice AL East holds top 4 spots?
That's all about the change with our 3Game series against Tampa.
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3:08p, 6/8/23
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Leiter and Speas were the Rangers minor league starter and reliever of the month.

Leiter: 27.0 IP / 33K / 1.67 ERA / 0.96 WHIP

Speas: 9.1 / 16K / 1.93 ERA / 0.96 WHIP

Speas should be getting the call to Frisco any minute, and if Jack can continue this run of form through June, I could see him getting the call to Frisco come July.
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In reply to AggieEP • 3:36p, 6/8/23
I guess we remember differently. He was great when healthy. I was a big fan, but he had some funny injuries, like one season he hurt his back in Spring Training, presumably reaching down to tie his shoe.

GP with Rangers starting in 1st full season (age 21): 142, 155, 140, 107, 90, 134, 133, 154, 144

I mentioned Josh Hamilton. My point was not to compare their grievances, but the risk. Keeping Josh out of bars for 2 years and keeping him from taking shots off women is a different issue than having 11 more years of a guy that has already tested positive for PED because of "ringworm."

Josh owned his demons even if he couldn't avoid them. His teammates embraced him and went out of their way to help keep him sober.

Tatis Jr comes across to me as someone whose train wreck is coming and his teammates question his judgment and whether he'll be there when they need him.
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3:44p, 6/8/23
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The Padres aren't trading Tatis, so all of this is moot.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 3:46p, 6/8/23
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Josh owned his demons even if he couldn't avoid them. His teammates embraced him and went out of their way to help keep him sober.

Well, most of them did.
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In reply to Carlo4 • 3:55p, 6/8/23
Carlo4 said:
Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Entire bullpen gets 2 days rest. Most getting 3-4 days rest. What Gray did was big for a number of reasons.
3-4 core starters get 2 days rest.

Bochy knows the next 3 games are more important than Wednesday against a team well below .500. Series of the year so far to make a statement as we have played the weakest SOS in baseball (but have won big like we should).
Any of the next 3 games likely mean the exact same as the game yesterday, with the one yesterday being statistically easier to win than any of the 3 this weekend.

You don't mortgage the future of the season just to win yesterday, but you also don't punt a game so that you're "full strength" for a non-divisional away series in June.
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Grapesoda2525 said:
Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Yesterday sucked, but most of the disappointment was washed away when the Astros lost. Game didn't really cost us or hurt us much.

Gaining a game is just as important at this point in the season as holding serve. Holding serve starts to be significant as we creep into September, but we got 100+ games left.
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In reply to fc2112 • 3:57p, 6/8/23
fc2112 said:
DallasAg 94 said:
Josh owned his demons even if he couldn't avoid them. His teammates embraced him and went out of their way to help keep him sober.

Well, most of them did.
The big difference I recall is that while with the Rangers, Josh Hamilton had a " handler" whose only job was to make sure he stayed out of trouble. When Hamilton's ego got too big for Texas, he joined the Angels and the Angels treated him like an adult with nobody watching over him. Hamilton couldn't stay out of trouble in a city like LA with nobody to help keep track of him.
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In reply to Tksymm7 • 3:58p, 6/8/23
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Tksymm7 said:
Leiter and Speas were the Rangers minor league starter and reliever of the month.

Leiter: 27.0 IP / 33K / 1.67 ERA / 0.96 WHIP

Speas: 9.1 / 16K / 1.93 ERA / 0.96 WHIP

Speas should be getting the call to Frisco any minute, and if Jack can continue this run of form through June, I could see him getting the call to Frisco come July.


Speas is absolutely dominating right now. His slider is a low-mid 90s hammer and he's running his fastball up at 101-102. Dude has always had an arm blessed by God. His year off from baseball might have been fantastic for his career. Absolutely rooting for him to have a long big league career!
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3:58p, 6/8/23
And look, it's baseball I get it. Marathon not a sprint. Bochy is where he is because he makes the right decisions a lot more than anyone else does. I just think yesterday was a very winnable game and we rolled out a "punt" lineup trying to steal one on an off day.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 4:00p, 6/8/23
Proposition Joe said:
Grapesoda2525 said:
Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Yesterday sucked, but most of the disappointment was washed away when the Astros lost. Game didn't really cost us or hurt us much.

Gaining a game is just as important at this point in the season as holding serve. Holding serve starts to be significant as we creep into September, but we got 100+ games left.
It just seems to be something Bochy does. Every so often he punts a game to keep the big contributors fresh. The first game against Atlanta was punted to rest the boys after the toughest road trip of the season. The last game of the cardinals was punted to give everyone plenty of rest before the June schedule ramps up. It wasn't just about the Rays. We don't have a lot of days off in June after today.

Nobody had an issue with punting the game against Atlanta, but I get it. The cardinals aren't Atlanta.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 4:35p, 6/8/23
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Proposition Joe said:
It's not just giving guys a night off, it's giving 3-4 guys the night off on the same night. Rolling out Grossman/Smith/Leon as 7-8-9 is not going to put you in a great position against a decent pitcher.

Obviously Bochy knows more than any of us ever will, that doesn't mean he doesn't make plenty of errors or in hindsight might have done something different.

Maybe it keeps a guy fresh for the stretch run. Definitely cost us a good chance at a W last night though.

Entire bullpen gets 2 days rest. Most getting 3-4 days rest. What Gray did was big for a number of reasons.
3-4 core starters get 2 days rest.

Bochy knows the next 3 games are more important than Wednesday against a team well below .500. Series of the year so far to make a statement as we have played the weakest SOS in baseball (but have won big like we should).
Any of the next 3 games likely mean the exact same as the game yesterday, with the one yesterday being statistically easier to win than any of the 3 this weekend.

You don't mortgage the future of the season just to win yesterday, but you also don't punt a game so that you're "full strength" for a non-divisional away series in June.


From a simple numbers game, I agree.

However I see it this way. This team just lost its ace to make a deep playoff run. We can still do it, but it's more difficult now. I guarantee you Bochy wants to win the series and/or sweep in TB by any means to continue the momentum/confidence as they are facing the top team in baseball. That meant resting key players.

Losing the series/swept on the road could damage the morale more than normal with the Degrom news. He's playing the long game and not concerned about 1 in 162.
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4:41p, 6/8/23


Injuries are a part of the game and it sucks. I guess it's noteworthy because they were counting on him to come back in the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully both he and Degrom heal ok and come back ready to go next year.
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