Next get Framber done
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— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) February 10, 2023
Open air concept
Wow this guy was pretty close.Farmer1906 said:This guy is using some seriously flawed logic. He's using free-agent deals for an extension buying out 3 years of control.Deluxe said:
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/astros-framber-valdez-cristian-javier-17690773.php
Chronicle writer attempts to project extension values for Framber and Javier. Would you do either of these?
- Framber - 6/$120mm (tacks on three additional years to his remaining three years of club control)
- Javier - 4/$75mm (tacks on one additional year to his remaining three years of club control)
If Framber makes 30 M in 3 years of arbitration, then we'd be paying him 3/90. That seems very rich when most other guys are getting are making much less. Musgrove 20 AAV, Darvish 21 M, Castillo 21.6 M, Gausman 22 M, Ray 23 M, Corbin 23.3 M, Wheeler 23.6 M, Stroman 23.6 M, Rodon 27 M. But there are guys topping that as well. Scherzer 43.3 M, Verlander 43.3 M, deGrom 37 M, Cole 36 M, Bauer 34 M.
I made a post a few days back on this.Quote:
Player / Years / Total $ / AAV / Age Signed / Years Under Control at Time of Signing
Sandy Alcantara / 5 / 56 M / 11.2 M / 25 / 3
Luis Castillo / 5 / 108 M / 21.6 M / 29 / 1
Jose Berrios / 7 / 131 M / 18.7 M / 27 / 1 - woof!
Lance McCullers / 5 / 85 M / 17 M / 26 / 1 (didn't kick in until after 21 so basically 6/91.5 M)
Joe Musgrove / 5 / 100 M / 20 M / 29 / 0.5 (midseason deal, really 0)
I think you could buy out their 3 years of arbitration, then give him 20 M per for 3 seasons. It could come to something like 6/80 (13.3 M). It's more than Sandy by far and keeps the AAV competitive with the guys who got deals later on.
I think I underestimated his arbitration total, but 20-25 M per in extension years probably makes more sense.
6/98 M is probably a more realistic kind of deal that makes sense for both sides.
The logic gets even worse for Javier. Assume he makes 30 M as well in arbitration. We'd be giving him a 1/45 M deal. A higher AAV for that year than deGrom, Scherzer, or Verlander.
I think whatever makes sense for Framber, probably makes sense for Javier too as far as evaluation. The only difference is age. Javier may want 1-2 years so he can still hit the open market at a young age. Framber may be willing to take a little less for more year since he's older.
If there is someone who enjoys patting themselves on the back more than me, I don't want to meet them.Farmer1906 said:
Reading between the lines, I think we get a Javier announcement soon.
Chris is really loving us.
Are the Houston Astros the best franchise in sports?
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Warriors have a strong argument. Chiefs have a strong argument. That’s…about it. Braves could get there.
— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) February 10, 2023
Who in baseball is better?
— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) February 10, 2023
In the regular season
— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) February 10, 2023
If the playoffs are such a crapshoot, why are the Astros in the ALCS or World Series every year? https://t.co/2zm4EJtTSB
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Details on Cristian Javier’s five-year, $64 million extension with Houston, per sources:
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 10, 2023
2023: $3 million (plus $2M signing bonus)
2024: $7M
2025: $10M
2026: $21M
2027: $21M
He’ll still hit FA at 30. Strong deal for a guy who still hasn’t had a full season at starting pitcher.
It pains me to say this but…nah, can't do it. Yep, Astros lead the way in this one, GS with a close second. Chiefs could get closer with a win Sunday. Hell, the Eagles could make a claim with a win, they're back in the big game with an entirely coaching new staff.
I know it's just his first move but after listening to him, knowing his background, and seeing this deal I think Dana Brown is gonna be a fckn rock star and be around here for a long time!
In Dana We Trust
The Astros have Lance McCullers Jr, Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Luis Garcia, José Urquidy and Hunter Brown all under team control through the 2025 season.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) February 11, 2023
Locked down 6 man rotation for three years.EastCoastAgNc said:The Astros have Lance McCullers Jr, Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Luis Garcia, José Urquidy and Hunter Brown all under team control through the 2025 season.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) February 11, 2023
Most for even longer.
Astros have 4+ years of club control on Lance McCullers Jr (4), Luis Garcia (4) Cristian Javier (5), and Hunter Brown (6). Framer Valdez and Jose Urquidy are under club control for 3 more seasons
— Adam Spolane (@AdamSpolane) February 10, 2023
I would say the Astros are definitely the best in baseball. But it's hard to argue against the Warriors.
4 titles, 6 finals appearances in 8 seasons is crazy good
I'm perfectly content with just being the best franchise in baseball
4 titles, 6 finals appearances in 8 seasons is crazy good
I'm perfectly content with just being the best franchise in baseball
I'll let the back-patter confirm or refute this, but the Luhnow reign continues to fuel the Astros success. Give credit where it is due.
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100% Jeff built this. James maintained it. Dana is keeping it rolling now.
I love that we resigned the guy who started both no hitters last year!
Love getting Javier locked up, now let's go lock down King Tuck!
That said, let's get this silly Foosball game on Sunday done with so baseball can finally get going again!
That said, let's get this silly Foosball game on Sunday done with so baseball can finally get going again!
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So, please remind me. I'll be in West Palm on March 3 and March 5, with the side trip on March 4 (I think) to Fort Meyers against the Sox. There might be an alternate trip to the Cape instead, but I could be persuaded.
Who will be there? I think there are at least two TexAg posters that mentioned being down there, maybe more. Let me know!
Oh, and I have a Springer jersey to mail. Haven't forgot.
Who will be there? I think there are at least two TexAg posters that mentioned being down there, maybe more. Let me know!
Oh, and I have a Springer jersey to mail. Haven't forgot.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Lookie what came in the mail. Anyone need a Yordan Rookie?
Cristian Javier: "Nobody stops God's work. Thanks to the Houston Astros for trusting me. All the glory and honor to God."
— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) February 11, 2023
Javier and the Houston Astros agreed to a $64 million, five-year contract. He gets a $2 million signing bonus.@z101digital @ZDeportes pic.twitter.com/pL2k9Q1JEx
Farmer1906 said:
Lookie what came in the mail. Anyone need a Yordan Rookie?
Yes please, I'll take the shiny one, top left
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If it happens I think 4 years is the magic number (including this year). I can't see us going 5 years on a pitcher with a contract that ends when they will be 33. Three years seems pointless because we already have 3 years of control.tjack16 said:
Next get Framber done
Braggers can't be choosers.
MaxPower said:If it happens I think 4 years is the magic number (including this year). I can't see us going 5 years on a pitcher with a contract that ends when they will be 33. Three years seems pointless because we already have 3 years of control.tjack16 said:
Next get Framber done
It'll end at 32. I would give him 6 years. Pay for 33, 34, & 35. He's a horse. He doesn't have the mileage. BUT the key is Framber has to agree. He may want to see FA at 32 so he can chase the big deal. Once you get to 33 or 34 there is no big deal out there most likely.
IIRC Framber is older but he started late so even though he's got the years he doesn't have the mileage.
No thanks. I will take his next 3 prime years and let the Angels pay for the fade.
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Once you get to 33 or 34 there is no big deal out there most likely.
Yu Darvish and his 6/108 deal at 36 says hello
Ag_07 said:Quote:
Once you get to 33 or 34 there is no big deal out there most likely.
Yu Darvish and his 6/108 deal at 36 says hello
Fair point.
Similar to how Tucker may want to see how the lack of shift affects his numbers, the Astros may want to do the same with Framber. While I believe he has enough ability to get Ks, he might see more ground balls get through.
Yordan Álvarez has a career slugging percentage of .590 and that's the highest we've seen from a left-handed major league hitter through his age-25 season since Ted Williams. 😮 pic.twitter.com/yHn67YyErk
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What if this whole time we've been calling the wrong guy TED?!?!
The Phillies have agreed to terms on a one-year contract with LHP Jose Alvarado, avoiding arbitration.
— Philadelphia Phillies (@Phillies) February 10, 2023
oh my, great news on the Javier extension
Finally finished watching "Fastball". Good stuff!
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