Rolen made the HOF. Is he a Phillie or a Card?
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Mathguy64 said:Dafuq is wrong with you?Ag_07 said:bearkatag15 said:Looks like this could be the Astros Spring Training cap this year pic.twitter.com/FOPsIPrc3h
— Ryan Gonzalez (@RyGo_17) January 24, 2023
Not a fan
I actually like these
Garden oaks trash.
Card would be my vote.
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I'm sorry. Scott Rolen doesn't belong in the HOF. Or someone else does. Take your pick.
Scott Rolen. Newest member of the HOF.
17 seasons, 2058 games, 8578 PA
.281/.364/.490
517 2B, 316 HR, 1287 RBI
wRC+ 122, fWAR 69.9
Some dude who got bounced on the first ballot because writers are complete idiots.
15 seasons, 1879 games, 7814 PA
.293/.406/.527
422 2B, 366 HR, 1234 RBI
wRC+ 144, fWAR 55.9
Scott Rolen. Newest member of the HOF.
17 seasons, 2058 games, 8578 PA
.281/.364/.490
517 2B, 316 HR, 1287 RBI
wRC+ 122, fWAR 69.9
Some dude who got bounced on the first ballot because writers are complete idiots.
15 seasons, 1879 games, 7814 PA
.293/.406/.527
422 2B, 366 HR, 1234 RBI
wRC+ 144, fWAR 55.9
Mathguy64 said:
I'm sorry. Scott Rolen doesn't belong in the HOF. Or someone else does. Take your pick.
Scott Rolen. Newest member of the HOF.
17 seasons, 2058 games, 8578 PA
.281/.364/.490
517 2B, 316 HR, 1287 RBI
wRC+ 122, fWAR 69.9
Some dude who got bounced on the first ballot because writers are complete idiots.
15 seasons, 1879 games, 7814 PA
.293/.406/.527
422 2B, 366 HR, 1234 RBI
wRC+ 144, fWAR 55.9
Berkman so much better it's embarrassing
We can only hope that at some point a Veterans Committee wakes up and does the right thing.
Rolen getting in and Jeff Kent not is a ****ing joke.
Harry Dunne said:I guess Click was in charge of ordering the color cartridges.bearkatag15 said:Looks like this could be the Astros Spring Training cap this year pic.twitter.com/FOPsIPrc3h
— Ryan Gonzalez (@RyGo_17) January 24, 2023
Not a fan
Jeff Kent is not in because he's an ash hole. Which is a dumb reason not to be in, but that's just another reason writer shouldn't get votes.Wabs said:
Rolen getting in and Jeff Kent not is a ****ing joke.
Then of course Lance Berkman is not in and he's the nicest guy in town.
The only thing I know for sure is that by and large sports writers are idiots.
Harry Dunne said:Jeff Kent is not in because he's an ash hole. Which is a dumb reason not to be in, but that's just another reason writer shouldn't get votes.Wabs said:
Rolen getting in and Jeff Kent not is a ****ing joke.
Then of course Lance Berkman is not in and he's the nicest guy in town.
The only thing I know for sure is that by and large sports writers are idiots.
Sportswriters are thin skinned arrogant *******s.
The moment Scott Rolen's parents found out their son is heading to Cooperstown. ❤️ pic.twitter.com/r1i22VHMjy
— Cincinnati Reds (@Reds) January 25, 2023
Cool moment for his family
Y'all just wait. They ain't gonna let Altuve in without a fight either.
Kashchei said:
Y'all just wait. They ain't gonna let Altuve in without a fight either.
He needs 2-3 more years like 2021/22 then age normally and he'll beat down the door. No 2nd baseman with a WAR north of 60 (it will be closer to 70 if it goes as I describe), at or near 3k hits, and a wRC+ around 130 would get denied without multiple failed tests (see Cano). Maybe they make him wait 1 year to prove a point, but he's right on track to be a lock.
Rolen was a very good player. It's not the hall of very good. Would not have gotten my vote.
The Hall of Favorites is really what it is
At least with respect to HOF voting, baseball writers are sanctimonious little ******* (and I'm using my polite words).
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Altuve's best hope is that some of the worst die by the time he's eligible and are replaced by younger writers who aren't such dicks.Marvin said:
At least with respect to HOF voting, baseball writers are sanctimonious little ******* (and I'm using my polite words).
Going back to Berkman; he 100% deserves to be in. It's a joke that he got bounced off the first ballot. He also got screwed over with the ballot from the year he was on. The ballot included
Edgar Martinez - HOF
Mariano Rivera - HOF
Mike Mussina - HOF
Roy Halladay - HOF
Larry Walker - HOF
Fred McGriff - HOF
Scott Rolen - HOF
Curt Schilling - Should be in
Barry Bonds - Should be in
Roger Clemens - Should be in
Billy Wagner - Will be in
Todd Helton - Will be in
Manny Ramirez
His first ballot was probably the most loaded ballot of all time
Edgar Martinez - HOF
Mariano Rivera - HOF
Mike Mussina - HOF
Roy Halladay - HOF
Larry Walker - HOF
Fred McGriff - HOF
Scott Rolen - HOF
Curt Schilling - Should be in
Barry Bonds - Should be in
Roger Clemens - Should be in
Billy Wagner - Will be in
Todd Helton - Will be in
Manny Ramirez
His first ballot was probably the most loaded ballot of all time
Reminder how Clev feels about the 'stros.
he got a bump from playing most of his career in philly (east coast media bias), and st louis (noted "baseball town")Big Al 1992 said:
Rolen was a very good player. It's not the hall of very good. Would not have gotten my vote.
that said, outside of adrian beltre (not yet eligible), he was probably the best 3b not in the hof yet.
and far better than some already in there, like:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lindsfr01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/traynpi01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kellge01.shtml
https://ts.la/eric59704
Nah. As long as Altuve has the numbers like Famer said, he's in.
There was quite a national media writer tone change around him this year in regards to the scandal. I saw lots of "but he didn't use the system" comments.
There was quite a national media writer tone change around him this year in regards to the scandal. I saw lots of "but he didn't use the system" comments.
Altuve, Bregman, and the rest of the Astros are digging out of the hole from the scandal with their post-scandal success. Media folks are realizing that with their continued success it's hard to beat the drum that the sign stealing helped them that much.
Now if he would've had a Marwin-esq drop off then it would hurt him but Jose continues to put MVP caliber numbers. It's just too hard to ignore that maybe they didn't benefit very much from the sign stealing.
As for Rolen...Man that dude played the best 3B I can remember. He was ridiculous with the leather. Other than that he just a good player. Not HOF worthy.
Now if he would've had a Marwin-esq drop off then it would hurt him but Jose continues to put MVP caliber numbers. It's just too hard to ignore that maybe they didn't benefit very much from the sign stealing.
As for Rolen...Man that dude played the best 3B I can remember. He was ridiculous with the leather. Other than that he just a good player. Not HOF worthy.
Takes one to know one, mother f-ckerFarmer1906 said:
Reminder how Clev feels about the 'stros.
Astros - hit a trash can
Mike Clevinger - hit a woman
One of them is a pariah in the media and with every loud mouthed player in MLB.
Mike Clevinger - hit a woman
One of them is a pariah in the media and with every loud mouthed player in MLB.
For Altuve, the analysis by Tony Adams actually helps him quite a bit. While that was a "why would you do this to your own?" type of moment for me, in the long run it pretty much absolves Altuve and paves the way for him.
Those comments this year about him not using the system some referenced that analysis.
He's just got to continue to put up numbers the next few years. Barring injury, I think he does it.
Those comments this year about him not using the system some referenced that analysis.
He's just got to continue to put up numbers the next few years. Barring injury, I think he does it.
just think of the number of practices and games those parents drove him to
So freakin annoying. Altuve should be thought of as one of the true heroes of the game. First ballot HOF'er. A super nice and humble guy that had to work harder than most, achieved what seemed darn near impossible, and has performed greater than anyone's wildest expectations. At least Houston baseball fans see this and appreciate it. But it's going to be "controversial" and a "difficult vote" for too many idiot mouth breathers on the east and west coasts.
For Schilling is it about PEDs which in his case seems a lot milder than what the other two did? Or is it really politics?Quote:
Curt Schilling - Should be in
Barry Bonds - Should be in
Roger Clemens - Should be in
And yes on Berkman, that one really is a mystery. On top of a great career he had one of the most clutch WS hits ever (sorry Ranger fans). In the SI World Series commemorative issue this year they show the greatest Astros all time team and the outfield has Wynn, Cedeno and Cruz. No mention of Berkman.
??
100% Agree.
Here is how Altuve compares to the AVG of every HOF second baseman that finished their career 1950+.
Now if we assume Altuve plays 5 more seasons and continues his average season (this would include a 57 game rookie season & 48 game covid season)
Some specific HOF comparisons
Looks like a lock to me assuming something terrible doesn't happen.
Here is how Altuve compares to the AVG of every HOF second baseman that finished their career 1950+.
Now if we assume Altuve plays 5 more seasons and continues his average season (this would include a 57 game rookie season & 48 game covid season)
Some specific HOF comparisons
Looks like a lock to me assuming something terrible doesn't happen.
Schilling is 100% personal and political.
Shilling isn't in because nobody likes him. And as someone earlier noted it's the Hall of Being Liked by Journalists.
https://instagr.am/p/Cnz5bRHJOMS
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I don't think it's going to be nearly as controversial as you guys seem to think it will be.Big Al 1992 said:
So freakin annoying. Altuve should be thought of as one of the true heroes of the game. First ballot HOF'er. A super nice and humble guy that had to work harder than most, achieved what seemed darn near impossible, and has performed greater than anyone's wildest expectations. At least Houston baseball fans see this and appreciate it. But it's going to be "controversial" and a "difficult vote" for too many idiot mouth breathers on the east and west coasts.
There will be a few writers who will say than can never vote for someone from a team that cheated.
I don't think Altuve was going to be first ballot anyway.
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