Farmer1906 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Should we know who this is?

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Depends on just how deep you dive into Major League Baseball.

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According to a poll from MLB Pipeline, the Astros received votes in the following categories:

Uses the Draft best
Plays the international market best (T-1st)
Most underrated system (T-2nd)
Best develops pitchers (T-3rd)
Best develops hitters (2nd)
Best develops sleepers (2nd)

— Kenny Van Doren (@thevandalorian) January 12, 2023

Harry Dunne said:

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McInnis said:

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I wonder how many single pitcher no-hitters we'll ever see again? Starting pitchers going nine innings is starting to seem almost as rare as no-hitters used to be.

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Yeah good point. I remember it was such a rarity when Oswalt & co. threw that combined no-hitter, but now more of them are combined than not...

But in 2021 there were surprisingly 7 solo NH and only 2 combined so I think it's still going to happen because if a guy has no-hit stuff there's a decent chance he's going to get through 9 in 110 pitches.

With Javier, he has only gone over 100 pitches 3x in his entire career (one of them was the NYY no-hitter), but as he gains control, experience and endurance and now that he's been part of a couple, I expect he'll get to the point where he's actively trying to pitch a CG no-hitter and goes after guys the way he needs to and he will eventually get one.

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All I do is Nguyen said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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McInnis said:

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I wonder how many single pitcher no-hitters we'll ever see again? Starting pitchers going nine innings is starting to seem almost as rare as no-hitters used to be.

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Yeah good point. I remember it was such a rarity when Oswalt & co. threw that combined no-hitter, but now more of them are combined than not...

But in 2021 there were surprisingly 7 solo NH and only 2 combined so I think it's still going to happen because if a guy has no-hit stuff there's a decent chance he's going to get through 9 in 110 pitches.

With Javier, he has only gone over 100 pitches 3x in his entire career (one of them was the NYY no-hitter), but as he gains control, experience and endurance and now that he's been part of a couple, I expect he'll get to the point where he's actively trying to pitch a CG no-hitter and goes after guys the way he needs to and he will eventually get one.

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The old heads who consider a one pitcher no hitter a "true" no hitter need to realize that pitchers are not just throwing straight heat anymore with a little spin added in. The pitches being thrown now days have so much spin and torque on them it really strains a pitchers arm, and when you are paying those pitchers over $45mil+ a year, you play it safe with them.

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All I do is Nguyen said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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McInnis said:

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I wonder how many single pitcher no-hitters we'll ever see again? Starting pitchers going nine innings is starting to seem almost as rare as no-hitters used to be.

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Yeah good point. I remember it was such a rarity when Oswalt & co. threw that combined no-hitter, but now more of them are combined than not...

But in 2021 there were surprisingly 7 solo NH and only 2 combined so I think it's still going to happen because if a guy has no-hit stuff there's a decent chance he's going to get through 9 in 110 pitches.

With Javier, he has only gone over 100 pitches 3x in his entire career (one of them was the NYY no-hitter), but as he gains control, experience and endurance and now that he's been part of a couple, I expect he'll get to the point where he's actively trying to pitch a CG no-hitter and goes after guys the way he needs to and he will eventually get one.

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The old heads who consider a one pitcher no hitter a "true" no hitter need to realize that pitchers are not just throwing straight heat anymore with a little spin added in. The pitches being thrown now days have so much spin and torque on them it really strains a pitchers arm, and when you are paying those pitchers over $45mil+ a year, you play it safe with them.

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All I do is Nguyen said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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McInnis said:

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I wonder how many single pitcher no-hitters we'll ever see again? Starting pitchers going nine innings is starting to seem almost as rare as no-hitters used to be.

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Yeah good point. I remember it was such a rarity when Oswalt & co. threw that combined no-hitter, but now more of them are combined than not...

But in 2021 there were surprisingly 7 solo NH and only 2 combined so I think it's still going to happen because if a guy has no-hit stuff there's a decent chance he's going to get through 9 in 110 pitches.

With Javier, he has only gone over 100 pitches 3x in his entire career (one of them was the NYY no-hitter), but as he gains control, experience and endurance and now that he's been part of a couple, I expect he'll get to the point where he's actively trying to pitch a CG no-hitter and goes after guys the way he needs to and he will eventually get one.

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The old heads who consider a one pitcher no hitter a "true" no hitter need to realize that pitchers are not just throwing straight heat anymore with a little spin added in. The pitches being thrown now days have so much spin and torque on them it really strains a pitchers arm, and when you are paying those pitchers over $45mil+ a year, you play it safe with them.

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'll chime in.

A no-hitter is a no-hitter whether it's 1 pitcher or 9 pitchers. However, a single pitcher throwing a no-hitter is a fantastic individual accomplishment. I am not poopooing a team when it's combined, but I am also not elevating Javier like I would Verlander when it's 6 vs 9.

As for the Gibson '68 season, if you teleport him in 2023 and he throws as he did in '68 now, he probably wouldn't have a single CG because he'd get hit. With the changes to scouting, video, data, training, blah blah blah it's not the same game. I don't think it's fair to compare across eras.

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