Of course no one's being forced to buy tickets. Does that mean it shouldn't be a concern for people being priced out of doing something they love?Quote:
If you don't want to pay the outrageous amounts for tickets, concessions, parking, cable, etc., you don't have to. No one is forcing you.
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Harry Dunne said:
Ps - btw with traps like that my only worry is that he's juicing.
First of all, lower your voice
If #Pirates trade Bryan Reynolds this offseason, they’re looking for at least one top starting pitcher to headline the package — such as Bobby Miller (#Dodgers) or Ricky Tiedemann (#BlueJays), both of whom rank among the top 40 prospects in @MLB, per @MLBPipeline.@MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 22, 2022
I think Brown would be a must. Urquidy, Garcia, & Javier are too far along. We probably need to move someone contending to throw in more prospects.
I just can't see if moving Brown or Javier. Both are way too critical to our next few seasons & longterm future.
Wabs said:
Can the Yankees come up with a better package than us?
Doesn't matter...Pirates will cave and lower their ask to appease the Yankees.
Ag_07 said:Wabs said:
Can the Yankees come up with a better package than us?
Doesn't matter...Pirates will cave and lower their ask to appease the Yankees.
Yankees don't have the pitching prospects they will want. Also, they caved to us for Cole. Basically got Joe Musgrove and 3 janitors.
They have a new front office.
Yankees do have some strong position players. They can flip them for pitching.
Yankees do have some strong position players. They can flip them for pitching.
This is absolute gold right here. I know I say things to get the natives feathers rustled, but even I could not even come up with that even on my most sarcastic day.
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Oh man, those poor billionaires. And those poor fans who complain about a $10 ticket increase, but who would also complain about a losing season. There is no pleasing some people.
This will change the landscape of baseball forever and let's be honest there are teams out there that will not win on a regular basis and will rarely experience post season winning. The budgets are not there to keep up with spending already for the big teams, and with the craziness that is going on, even the lower level players will be looking for larger contracts.
Just look at it now, JV won 2 WS, 2 Cy Young, and has the team around him to do it again and only went after the money. That will be most of the big names from now on. Very rarely will you get someone like Yordan forgoing a massive payday to play for a winning team.
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If you don't want to pay the outrageous amounts for tickets, concessions, parking, cable, etc., you don't have to. No one is forcing you.
You say that no one is forcing fans to pay more, but that is exactly the case. If you want to attend a game or watch the game on tv then you will be paying the additional fees that are associated with the increases.
No one is saying that owners can not do what they want and that players can not do what they want, but eventually the system will break. The economy for most people are already limiting the games that they can attend. Even people on this thread that have been to multiple playoff games in the past 5+ years did not attend playoff games this year due to pricing and that trend will continue. It will eventually trickle into the regular season as well.
The owners and the players can do what they want, but eventually there will be pushback. It was always going to happen, the question was when and with the way the economy is going and baseball is going, it may be sooner than expected.
it's all good. If he were juicing Man Fred would have suspended him before the needle even hit his ass.Silian Rail said:Harry Dunne said:
Ps - btw with traps like that my only worry is that he's juicing.
First of all, lower your voice
Some people are just genetic freaks and can be ripped/vascular like he is. He's not cartoonishly large with a head like a water tower…like The Bash Brothers or The Rock. I'm pretty sure we are OK.
Farmer1906 said:If #Pirates trade Bryan Reynolds this offseason, they’re looking for at least one top starting pitcher to headline the package — such as Bobby Miller (#Dodgers) or Ricky Tiedemann (#BlueJays), both of whom rank among the top 40 prospects in @MLB, per @MLBPipeline.@MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 22, 2022
I think Brown would be a must. Urquidy, Garcia, & Javier are too far along. We probably need to move someone contending to throw in more prospects.
I just can't see if moving Brown or Javier. Both are way too critical to our next few seasons & longterm future.
Trading reliable pitching for an OF is enormously stupid
In some cases, yes. In some cases, no. It depends on the pitcher and depends on the outfielderAggiEE said:
Trading reliable pitching for an OF is enormously stupid
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
Harry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeable
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
Based on your logic, you wouldn't trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up? We'd make that trade in a second. The Pirates would laugh at it.AggiEE said:Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeableHarry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
The prohibiting factor in a Reynolds trade isn't that we'd have to give up a starter. It's that we'd have to give up ALOT more than that.
Gotcha.
In general I agree that SP > OF, but still think it depends on which P & which CF.
In general I agree that SP > OF, but still think it depends on which P & which CF.
Deluxe said:Based on your logic, you wouldn't trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up? We'd make that trade in a second. The Pirates would laugh at it.AggiEE said:Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeableHarry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
The prohibiting factor in a Reynolds trade isn't that we'd have to give up a starter. It's that we'd have to give up ALOT more than that.
Not even for Urquidy.
He's solid and reliable. If LMJ or someone else gets injured, we are going to need him
The trade Click put together for Contreras should have seen Click fired on the spot. Crane went easy on him
AggiEE said:Deluxe said:Based on your logic, you wouldn't trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up? We'd make that trade in a second. The Pirates would laugh at it.AggiEE said:Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeableHarry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
The prohibiting factor in a Reynolds trade isn't that we'd have to give up a starter. It's that we'd have to give up ALOT more than that.
Not even for Urquidy.
He's solid and reliable. If LMJ or someone else gets injured, we are going to need him
The trade Click put together for Contreras should have seen Click fired on the spot. Crane went easy on him
No offerse but thank God you are not calling the shots.
999/1000 you trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up
Made a quick correction but you're otherwise on point. In this situation, you take the cheap 130-140 OPS+ CF with three years of controllability remaining and supplement the roster with a different solid/reliable starter via another means.Bag said:
No offerse but thank God you are not calling the shots.
1000/1000 you trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up
Bag said:AggiEE said:Deluxe said:Based on your logic, you wouldn't trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up? We'd make that trade in a second. The Pirates would laugh at it.AggiEE said:Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeableHarry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
The prohibiting factor in a Reynolds trade isn't that we'd have to give up a starter. It's that we'd have to give up ALOT more than that.
Not even for Urquidy.
He's solid and reliable. If LMJ or someone else gets injured, we are going to need him
The trade Click put together for Contreras should have seen Click fired on the spot. Crane went easy on him
No offerse but thank God you are not calling the shots.
999/1000 you trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up
Chas is good enough.
Reynolds is just another overrated OFer "grass is greener" type situation.
I'd rather hold on to reliable pitching when there's not a big need or upgrade with Reynolds
Agree that in no universe should we have traded Urquidy for a three month rental catcher who wasn't even gonna catch much.AggiEE said:
The trade Click put together for Contreras should have seen Click fired on the spot. Crane went easy on him
Some of you guys who are more savvy with WAR, tell me what makes Correa so great at 3B. Fangraphs projects him as a 131 wrc+, which would have put him at tied for 8th in 3B this last season. He has traditionally been a great fielding shortstop, but dropped a ton last year with his outs above average going from +12 to -3.
Where is the star power that warrants that mega contract? Is this just the new normal?
Where is the star power that warrants that mega contract? Is this just the new normal?
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What a great point. I didn't even think about it. A-Rod at third was still all-world. Correa at third is above-average / meh.Silian Rail said:
Some of you guys who are more savvy with WAR, tell me what makes Correa so great at 3B. Fangraphs projects him as a 131 wrc+, which would have put him at tied for 8th in 3B this last season. He has traditionally been a great fielding shortstop, but dropped a ton last year with his outs above average going from +12 to -3.
Where is the star power that warrants that mega contract? Is this just the new normal?
Correa goes into a league at a position where last year Nolan Arenado hit .293/.358/.533 with 30 HR, 103 RBi, and 42 doubles and a 7.9 WAR and Manny Machado was /298/.366/.531 with 37 doubles, 32 HR, 102 RBI and a 6.8 WAR.
Between those two, Austin Riley, Jose Ramirez, Rafael Devers, and Alex Bregman, that makes Correa what, the 7th best third offensive third baseman in baseball?
What is even more amazing is that there are 4 or 5 teams without a short stop right now, and the Mets sign a SS to a 12 year contract and convert him to 3rd.The Porkchop Express said:What a great point. I didn't even think about it. A-Rod at third was still all-world. Correa at third is above-average / meh.Silian Rail said:
Some of you guys who are more savvy with WAR, tell me what makes Correa so great at 3B. Fangraphs projects him as a 131 wrc+, which would have put him at tied for 8th in 3B this last season. He has traditionally been a great fielding shortstop, but dropped a ton last year with his outs above average going from +12 to -3.
Where is the star power that warrants that mega contract? Is this just the new normal?
Correa goes into a league at a position where last year Nolan Arenado hit .293/.358/.533 with 30 HR, 103 RBi, and 42 doubles and a 7.9 WAR and Manny Machado was /298/.366/.531 with 37 doubles, 32 HR, 102 RBI and a 6.8 WAR.
Between those two, Austin Riley, Jose Ramirez, Rafael Devers, and Alex Bregman, that makes Correa what, the 7th best third offensive third baseman in baseball?
All time tea bag move
that's why the Giants were smart.
Correa is a very good player...and should be for another 4 to 5 years...
but he is not a dominate offensive player to the tune of 30 HR's, 100 RBI, .900 OPS, etc..,
plus the drop off in defense last year
Correa is a very good player...and should be for another 4 to 5 years...
but he is not a dominate offensive player to the tune of 30 HR's, 100 RBI, .900 OPS, etc..,
plus the drop off in defense last year
And a history of injury issues which most likely won't get better with age.W said:
that's why the Giants were smart.
Correa is a very good player...and should be for another 4 to 5 years...
but he is not a dominate offensive player to the tune of 30 HR's, 100 RBI, .900 OPS, etc..,
plus the drop off in defense last year
Exactly; what makes Correa so great is that he has a huge bat FOR A SS. As an SS he's elite, as a 3B he's in the top quarter.
Y'all are sleeping on Correa. He's right there will all the top hitting 3B.
wRC+ 21-22
Riley 139
Ramirez 138
Machado 137
Devers 137
Correa 136
Arenado 132
Diaz 129
Bregman 128
I think only Riley is younger than him.
He'll likely have more range than any other 3B & we all know about his arm. He's the perfect candidate to move to 3B and excel.
wRC+ 21-22
Riley 139
Ramirez 138
Machado 137
Devers 137
Correa 136
Arenado 132
Diaz 129
Bregman 128
I think only Riley is younger than him.
He'll likely have more range than any other 3B & we all know about his arm. He's the perfect candidate to move to 3B and excel.
My gut instinct was to post the same thing, but...Bag said:AggiEE said:Deluxe said:Based on your logic, you wouldn't trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up? We'd make that trade in a second. The Pirates would laugh at it.AggiEE said:Any part of our current 6 man rotation with years of control or under contract should be un-tradeableHarry Dunne said:
It really depends on what you define as "reliable" & what OF.
Conversely it would be "enormously stupid" to trade Tucker for a reliable pitcher.
There's not a big enough improvement in CF to justify the sacrifice to our pitching depth
Of course I'm speaking strictly of the Astros situation
The prohibiting factor in a Reynolds trade isn't that we'd have to give up a starter. It's that we'd have to give up ALOT more than that.
Not even for Urquidy.
He's solid and reliable. If LMJ or someone else gets injured, we are going to need him
The trade Click put together for Contreras should have seen Click fired on the spot. Crane went easy on him
No offerse but thank God you are not calling the shots.
999/1000 you trade Urquidy for Reynolds straight up
1. Chas is underrated. Give him 500 ABs and he's going to hit 25 HR and play good CF and be plenty good enough to bat 8th on what is already the best 1-7 in the league (and play good defense).
2. Urquidy is horse that can eat 30 starts and would be a good #3 SP on most playoff teams. SP get hurt and guys like Urquidy don't grow on trees. Even in 2017 we had to trot Fiers & Peacock out there 50 times.
3. McCullers is injury-prone. Javier I think is gonna be Pedro Martinez but might not be a 200 IP guy just yet. Brown is going to be on an innings count...I think we are going to lean hard on Urquidy.
Reynolds is good and I'd love to have him, but he's not Mike Trout under team control or even Kyle Tucker. He's been up and down. I don't think he improves us as much as I thought before I started looking at the numbers.
That's not the proper use of an ellipses.Bregxit said:Dominant. The word is dominant.W said:
that's why the Giants were smart.
Correa is a very good player...and should be for another 4 to 5 years...
but he is not a dominate offensive player to the tune of 30 HR's, 100 RBI, .900 OPS, etc..,
plus the drop off in defense last year
Sorry I picked you to pick on...it's just been driving me nuts for a long time now.
I don't know what wRC+ means. I know that he's never had 30 HR or 100 RBI in a season and most of those other dudes are doing it routinely.Farmer1906 said:
Y'all are sleeping on Correa. He's right there will all the top hitting 3B.
wRC+ 21-22
Riley 139
Ramirez 138
Machado 137
Devers 137
Correa 136
Arenado 132
Diaz 129
Bregman 128
I think only Riley is younger than him.
He'll likely have more range than any other 3B & we all know about his arm. He's the perfect candidate to move to 3B and excel.
Never gets old
What about game-winning RBI's?The Porkchop Express said:I don't know what wRC+ means. I know that he's never had 30 HR or 100 RBI in a season and most of those other dudes are doing it routinely.Farmer1906 said:
Y'all are sleeping on Correa. He's right there will all the top hitting 3B.
wRC+ 21-22
Riley 139
Ramirez 138
Machado 137
Devers 137
Correa 136
Arenado 132
Diaz 129
Bregman 128
I think only Riley is younger than him.
He'll likely have more range than any other 3B & we all know about his arm. He's the perfect candidate to move to 3B and excel.
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