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***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***
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JV is 7th all time in WAR as an Astro pitcher.
He's 1st in ERA, WHIP, K/BB, ERA+, Winning%.
He's won 2 Cys as well.
I don't have a good source for the #s but he probably leads in a bunch in the postseason too.
He's 1st in ERA, WHIP, K/BB, ERA+, Winning%.
He's won 2 Cys as well.
I don't have a good source for the #s but he probably leads in a bunch in the postseason too.
No one is arguing that he wasn't awesome when he played. Maybe the best Astro pitcher ever. Who am I to say whose number should be retired, but my vote is no. You've got to make more than 102 starts to get your number retired.
I hope we go out and get Contreras
He's the only one we can plug in and have a massive increase in WAR on the FA market
This love affair with Maldy needs to stop. He can help us in the regular season but we need to go with Contreras as the primary in the playoffs
He's the only one we can plug in and have a massive increase in WAR on the FA market
This love affair with Maldy needs to stop. He can help us in the regular season but we need to go with Contreras as the primary in the playoffs
Yes
Kate Upton reveals Justin Verlander had larger deal from Yankees than Mets 🫢 pic.twitter.com/TRIZrwlON5
— New York Porch Sports (@nyporchsport) December 5, 2022
htxag09 said:Kate Upton reveals Justin Verlander had larger deal from Yankees than Mets 🫢 pic.twitter.com/TRIZrwlON5
— New York Porch Sports (@nyporchsport) December 5, 2022
Pretty sure Scherzer got massively boo'd
New York fans are trash across the board
Dusty Baker said the Astros will meet with Wilson Contreras and have interest.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) December 5, 2022
For old time's sake:
I wonder how far apart Astros were with JV
35/2 vs 43/2?
No idea if third year is a player option. But if it was only two years he'd really play for the Mets for 12M more (minus the tax advantage for Houston)?
Find it hard to believe. JV likes to get paid more than he likes to win if so.
35/2 vs 43/2?
No idea if third year is a player option. But if it was only two years he'd really play for the Mets for 12M more (minus the tax advantage for Houston)?
Find it hard to believe. JV likes to get paid more than he likes to win if so.
We need to stop acting like Houston is the only place that wins. Mets won 100 games. They have an owner committed to winning.
Farmer1906 said:
We need to stop acting like Houston is the only place that wins. Mets won 100 games. They have an owner committed to winning.
They don't win when it counts
JV has a lot in common
/Sarcasm
Incase anyone missed it, that's a satire account.htxag09 said:Kate Upton reveals Justin Verlander had larger deal from Yankees than Mets 🫢 pic.twitter.com/TRIZrwlON5
— New York Porch Sports (@nyporchsport) December 5, 2022
Two-year deal for Estévez. https://t.co/bEMhUKe7LE
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 5, 2022
Why would the Phillies pay that for Turner instead of Correa?
PSully97 said:
No one is arguing that he wasn't awesome when he played. Maybe the best Astro pitcher ever. Who am I to say whose number should be retired, but my vote is no. You've got to make more than 102 starts to get your number retired.
Seems like an odd take to me... why wouldn't you want to recognize a legend? It's just a marketing/PR thing for your team to acknowledge the greats that have worn the uniform. Generally speaking, the more you have = the more successful your franchise has been. I mean look at those names at Yankee Stadium, it's so cool to see the legends that have built dynasties especially as the years go on.
I'll save you the trouble... it will be retired. And with stats like these it doesn't matter if you only made 102 starts:
What a run by Justin Verlander in Houston:
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) December 5, 2022
61-19, 2.26 ERA, 0.83 WHIP in 102 starts
2 Cy Young Awards
1 Cy Young runner-up
300-strikeout season
ALCS MVP
3rd no-hitter
3,000th strikeout
2 World Series titles
AggiEE said:
Why would the Phillies pay that for Turner instead of Correa?
Turner is much more diverse on defense. They have Bryson Stott as a young shortstop, wouldn't surprise me to see Turner ply OF, 2B, etc.
should be 3 Cy Youngs for JV *(in Houston)
CoachRTM said:AggiEE said:
Why would the Phillies pay that for Turner instead of Correa?
Turner is much more diverse on defense. They have Bryson Stott as a young shortstop, wouldn't surprise me to see Turner ply OF, 2B, etc.
Correa is younger and doesn't rely as much on speed
That Turner contract is terrible imho
Farmer1906 said:
We need to stop acting like Houston is the only place that wins. Mets won 100 games. They have an owner committed to winning.
They have an owner committed to spending.
What have they won recently?
The Astros lost Justin Verlander but don’t worry, they have a clone of him waiting.
— MLB Metrics (@MLBMetrics) December 5, 2022
pic.twitter.com/uZMGxrWFAg
AggiEE said:CoachRTM said:AggiEE said:
Why would the Phillies pay that for Turner instead of Correa?
Turner is much more diverse on defense. They have Bryson Stott as a young shortstop, wouldn't surprise me to see Turner ply OF, 2B, etc.
Correa is younger and doesn't rely as much on speed
That Turner contract is terrible imho
Turner is the better offensive player. I'd pay Turner over Correa
That's a very good point about folks upset that he won't retire in an Astros uniform. Back when we hadn't won **** I was crushed when Nolan went into the HOF as a Ranger and super excited when Biggio and Bags were inducted.Nino Brown said:We're from Houston. We tear down and rebuild, it's just what we do.Prosperdick said:I don't know...I'm almost ready for Hunter to wear that number. Too soon?Big Al 1992 said:
I agree with thisVerlander will have the rare distinction of being one of the few players to have his number retired by two different organizations. No one should ever wear 35 in Houston again.
— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) December 5, 2022
Outside of the Dome to date, we don't pray to buildings or worship humans. We thank them, we remember them, some get retired numbers.
But for the most part we tear down, and rebuild. Love JV, but could give two ****s if his number is retired or not. He was a very high priced visitor with a spank-able wife and I appreciate his time and assistance.
Nowadays I just don't care that much about who wears what in the Hall. I only care about creating dynasties.
Brown v Verlander is going to make Peña v Correa look like child's play.
I'm not sure which one of you sold your soul for this Astros run, but I don't think it's finished
I'm not sure which one of you sold your soul for this Astros run, but I don't think it's finished
They finally got around today to discussing Abreu to the Stros...it's a fun clip just watching them realize how far ahead we are than they are.
And it looks like they are discussing Verlander too today:
AggiEE said:
I wonder how far apart Astros were with JV
35/2 vs 43/2?
No idea if third year is a player option. But if it was only two years he'd really play for the Mets for 12M more (minus the tax advantage for Houston)?
Find it hard to believe. JV likes to get paid more than he likes to win if so.
He probably also likes the 6-7 extra starts per year he'll get in a 5 man rotation vs 6 as far as the counting stats go. Chasing down 300 isn't going to be easy.
It's interesting to see the differences in his delivery over the years.
That's because the whole steroid, Pete Rose, black sox, pitchers scuffing and other bs just makes me not care about the Hall or retiring a number.Prosperdick said:That's a very good point about folks upset that he won't retire in an Astros uniform. Back when we hadn't won **** I was crushed when Nolan went into the HOF as a Ranger and super excited when Biggio and Bags were inducted.Nino Brown said:We're from Houston. We tear down and rebuild, it's just what we do.Prosperdick said:I don't know...I'm almost ready for Hunter to wear that number. Too soon?Big Al 1992 said:
I agree with thisVerlander will have the rare distinction of being one of the few players to have his number retired by two different organizations. No one should ever wear 35 in Houston again.
— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) December 5, 2022
Outside of the Dome to date, we don't pray to buildings or worship humans. We thank them, we remember them, some get retired numbers.
But for the most part we tear down, and rebuild. Love JV, but could give two ****s if his number is retired or not. He was a very high priced visitor with a spank-able wife and I appreciate his time and assistance.
Nowadays I just don't care that much about who wears what in the Hall. I only care about creating dynasties.
You retire Jackie's number and after that I just don't give a *****
Pete Rose gambled on baseball. Was he a hall of fame player, you bet your ass. Was Big Mac and Clemens all of famers without steroids? You bet your ass.
We someone turn a blind eye to the whole "greenies" generation with Mantle and everyone look at them like Gods. Babe was an alcoholic who cheated on his wife, Ty Cobb was a dick who was racist.
Some are treated like gods and some who maybe used a trash can once or twice to still a sign are treated like criminals while the "Shot heard round the world" was sign stealing using technology at that time.
All of this adds up to me not giving a damn about retired numbers or the Hall. I love Nolan and have met him several times...don't give a damn what jersey he wears into the Hall.
2023 Astros-Mets World Series will be epic.Farmer1906 said:
We need to stop acting like Houston is the only place that wins. Mets won 100 games. They have an owner committed to winning.
I can then get the Dykstra-Dave Smith pitch completely removed from my core memory when Tuve goes yard against JV in Queens.
Exactly. Clyde Drexler's number would not be retired if he weren't from Houston.Harry Dunne said:
I agree 100%
We've got some weird undeserving retired numbers that did far less for the organization than JV, so I'm not mad at anyone that wants 35 retired…
He will always be an H-town hero for his contributions, but the dude basically played three seasons for us and I don't think anyone that plays three seasons for a franchise should have their number retired.
Current breakdown below of the Astros starting rotation per @fangraphs projections. https://t.co/jGOO8gbXNs pic.twitter.com/WZzxT3qG9u
— Astros Stats (@astro_numbers) December 6, 2022
Fangraphs predictions looking way off.
Martin Maldonado posted this on his Instagram stories. I wonder if it has anything to do with the Contreras talk pic.twitter.com/zQoluaXHCP
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) December 6, 2022
Edit: this could be about verlander too
Well it's hard to forget how to hit when he never knew how in the first place
bearkatag15 said:
Well it's hard to forget how to hit when he never knew how in the first place
But he knows how to get hit and for that I'll be eternally grateful!!
Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer in their Detroit days: Intense, competitive, “not the best of buddies.”
— Tim Healey (@timbhealey) December 5, 2022
With insights from people who knew them then: https://t.co/SFV3wzqfoe
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